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Damn it! Goddamn N7 eagle!

It's really good! Especially against collectors. It's just not what people expect. It's more of a support weapon. People expect a Glock 18 and when it doesn't perform like that they instantly think it's garbage. It's a great in-cover weapon. Have you tried it in the Destroyer?

Edit: Oh, you got me!

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French fries is slang for Xanax, a mood-elevating drug. So Destroy and Refuse aren't going to make you feel like after taking it. That was a twisted puzzle, estebanus.

...??? It is?

EDIT: Top! Yeah! You like it, don't ya, Banshee?

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estebanus wrote...

Damn it! Goddamn N7 eagle!

It's really good! Especially against collectors. It's just not what people expect. It's more of a support weapon. People expect a Glock 18 and when it doesn't perform like that they instantly think it's garbage. It's a great in-cover weapon. Have you tried it in the Destroyer?

Edit: Oh, you got me!

I. F*cking. Hate. The Eagle. throwing a goddamn curled up paperball would be more effective than that child's toy!
Nope, Paladin's still the right one for me.

Also, I almost never use soldiers. The Fury (Oh, the insatiable, burning rage!) is still my favourite class.

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estebanus wrote...

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cavs25 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

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So I noticed that the challenge banner for defeating Reapers is a picture of Harbinger in Sovereign-red imposed on the Citadel hallway (the one with all the dead bodies). Proof of IT?


Picture for the ones that don't play MP
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Thats just proof that Bioware loves messing with the IT population..:huh:

Pure awesome! But yeah, if IT is not true, Bioware has been trolling hardcore for 7 months. They would be the ultimate trolls. I'm hoping that instead, they're good people, and that would mean IT is true! Posted Image

Maybe they're also good people as in letting a group of people believe whatever the hell they want without being prescriptive of their own interpretation?



They would be good people for letting us live in a false reality? IT will always be the headcanon of the IT thread if it's wrong. But everyone I've heard including myself would prefer a confirmation or denial instead of this purgatory.

I hate not knowing...

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damn it! Goddamn N7 eagle!

It's really good! Especially against collectors. It's just not what people expect. It's more of a support weapon. People expect a Glock 18 and when it doesn't perform like that they instantly think it's garbage. It's a great in-cover weapon. Have you tried it in the Destroyer?

Edit: Oh, you got me!

I. F*cking. Hate. The Eagle. throwing a goddamn curled up paperball would be more effective than that child's toy!
Nope, Paladin's still the right one for me.

That's all well and good, but it's totally unfair to compare the two opposite ends of the pistol spectrum. They're ment for different things. You may have a preference, but that doesn't mean your unprefered alternative is bad.

Edit: The Fury is awesome! Funny, I use an Eagle there. The Paladin doesn't suit its always-on-the-move style.

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They would be good people for letting us live in a false reality? IT will always be the headcanon of the IT thread if it's wrong. But everyone I've heard including myself would prefer a confirmation or denial instead of this purgatory.

I hate not knowing...

Ah, but that would go against what's good for the company, wouldn't it?

Look, at the end of the day, BioWare is still a business. They're out there to make money, not for any moral reason (that's what I believe, at least). If the IT would be debunked, imagine how many people would rage quit BioWare and not buy any of their precious DLC? Because, to be honest, I really don't think many would.

Just think about the time when the EC was released. A lot of people quit the IT then, and several more in the aftermath. That was for the soul reason that the EC didn't include the IT. Many former ITers vowed not to buy any DLC afterwards (I've actually talked with quite a bit of them, Liggy002 comes to mind). Now imagine what would happen if BioWare's most hardcore fans, those that have defended them since the beginning and who fought to make people realize that there was more going on in the game, would be told by the very company they tried to defend, that they were wrong all along, and that they've been allowed to believe in a theory that was wrong all along.

That's right. A total abandoning of the company by some of its most loyal fans. Not all, of course. I'm sure that if this would in fact happen, many of the IT reguars on this thread would continue to support BioWare even after the IT were debunked by them, but all in all, that's a a very small part of the IT community in itself. Many would leave, I daresay even most of the community would, while the most loyal fans would probably remain.

Tabula Rasa. Almost all is washed away, leaving only the strongest behind.

So the company does the smart thing. They let it remain valid, and assure as such that many people would buy their DLC, and maybe even their next game, in hope of having the IT confirmed. It's a cold, pragmatic stance, but it's the smart stance. They assure that they'll get a lot of money through their fans this way, and in the end, money is probably all that matters to them.

Not saying that any of this is true, of course. It's just a thesis I came up with. The worst-case scenario thesis.

Modifié par estebanus, 14 octobre 2012 - 08:58 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damn it! Goddamn N7 eagle!

It's really good! Especially against collectors. It's just not what people expect. It's more of a support weapon. People expect a Glock 18 and when it doesn't perform like that they instantly think it's garbage. It's a great in-cover weapon. Have you tried it in the Destroyer?

Edit: Oh, you got me!

I. F*cking. Hate. The Eagle. throwing a goddamn curled up paperball would be more effective than that child's toy!
Nope, Paladin's still the right one for me.

That's all well and good, but it's totally unfair to compare the two opposite ends of the pistol spectrum. They're ment for different things. You may have a preference, but that doesn't mean your unprefered alternative is bad.

Edit: The Fury is awesome! Funny, I use an Eagle there. The Paladin doesn't suit its always-on-the-move style.

THE FURY! COME, LET ME TASTE YOUR RAGE!

(Cookie if you get the reference!)

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

They would be good people for letting us live in a false reality? IT will always be the headcanon of the IT thread if it's wrong. But everyone I've heard including myself would prefer a confirmation or denial instead of this purgatory.

I hate not knowing...

Ah, but that would go against what's good for the company, wouldn't it?

Look, at the end of the day, BioWare is still a business. They're out there to make money, not for any moral reason (that's what I believe, at least). If the IT would be debunked, imagine how many people would rage quit BioWare and not buy any of their precious DLC? Because, to be honest, I really don't think many would.

Just think about the time when the EC was released. A lot of people quit the IT then, and several more in the aftermath. That was for the soul reason that the EC didn't include the IT. Many former ITers vowed not to buy any DLC afterwards (I've actually talked with quite a bit of them, Liggy002 comes to mind). Now imagine what would happen if BioWare's most hardcore fans, those that have defended them since the beginning and who fought to make people realize that there was more going on in the game, would be told by the very company they tried to defend, that they were wrong all along, and that they've been allowed to believe in a theory that was wrong all along.

That's right. A total abandoning of the company by some of its most loyal fans. Not all, of course. I'm sure that if this would in fact happen, many of the IT reguars on this thread would continue to support BioWare even after the IT were debunked by them, but all in all, that's a a very small part of the IT community in itself. Many would leave, I daresay even most of the community would, while the most loyal fans would probably remain.

Tabula Rasa. Almost all is washed away, leaving only the strongest behind.

So the company does the smart thing. They let it remain valid, and assure as such that many people would buy their DLC, and maybe even their next game, in hope of having the IT confirmed. It's a cold, pragmatic stance, but it's the smart stance. They assure that they'll get a lot of money through their fans this way, and in the end, money is probably all that matters to them.

Not saying that any of this is true, of course. It's just a thesis I came up with. The worst-case scenario thesis.



I think EA wants money a lot more than Bioware, but yeah. I just wish people were better people. And you're right; there are so many people who buy the DLC hoping it will lead somewhere. Eventually they'll have to come out and tell us their original intentions though. Casey Hudson can't be a recluse forever. With ME4 coming out, the question has to be answered, and a lot of people won't be happy if they deny it then...

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estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
That's all well and good, but it's totally unfair to compare the two opposite ends of the pistol spectrum. They're ment for different things. You may have a preference, but that doesn't mean your unprefered alternative is bad.

Edit: The Fury is awesome! Funny, I use an Eagle there. The Paladin doesn't suit its always-on-the-move style.

THE FURY! COME, LET ME TASTE YOUR RAGE!

(Cookie if you get the reference!)

Sorry, I don't get that one. Can I have some pie for trying? Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

They would be good people for letting us live in a false reality? IT will always be the headcanon of the IT thread if it's wrong. But everyone I've heard including myself would prefer a confirmation or denial instead of this purgatory.

I hate not knowing...

Ah, but that would go against what's good for the company, wouldn't it?

Look, at the end of the day, BioWare is still a business. They're out there to make money, not for any moral reason (that's what I believe, at least). If the IT would be debunked, imagine how many people would rage quit BioWare and not buy any of their precious DLC? Because, to be honest, I really don't think many would.

Just think about the time when the EC was released. A lot of people quit the IT then, and several more in the aftermath. That was for the soul reason that the EC didn't include the IT. Many former ITers vowed not to buy any DLC afterwards (I've actually talked with quite a bit of them, Liggy002 comes to mind). Now imagine what would happen if BioWare's most hardcore fans, those that have defended them since the beginning and who fought to make people realize that there was more going on in the game, would be told by the very company they tried to defend, that they were wrong all along, and that they've been allowed to believe in a theory that was wrong all along.

That's right. A total abandoning of the company by some of its most loyal fans. Not all, of course. I'm sure that if this would in fact happen, many of the IT reguars on this thread would continue to support BioWare even after the IT were debunked by them, but all in all, that's a a very small part of the IT community in itself. Many would leave, I daresay even most of the community would, while the most loyal fans would probably remain.

Tabula Rasa. Almost all is washed away, leaving only the strongest behind.

So the company does the smart thing. They let it remain valid, and assure as such that many people would buy their DLC, and maybe even their next game, in hope of having the IT confirmed. It's a cold, pragmatic stance, but it's the smart stance. They assure that they'll get a lot of money through their fans this way, and in the end, money is probably all that matters to them.

Not saying that any of this is true, of course. It's just a thesis I came up with. The worst-case scenario thesis.



I think EA wants money a lot more than Bioware, but yeah. I just wish people were better people. And you're right; there are so many people who buy the DLC hoping it will lead somewhere. Eventually they'll have to come out and tell us their original intentions though. Casey Hudson can't be a recluse forever. With ME4 coming out, the question has to be answered, and a lot of people won't be happy if they deny it then...

BioWare, isn't it's own entity any longer. It's a part of EA now. BioWare wants what EA wants.

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Or... imagine this EA wants what Biaware wants. ))

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Banshee, that was from MGS 3: Snake Eater.

Modifié par estebanus, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .


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Or... imagine this EA wants what Biaware wants. ))

...Which would make no sense.

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estebanus wrote...

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I think EA wants money a lot more than Bioware, but yeah. I just wish people were better people. And you're right; there are so many people who buy the DLC hoping it will lead somewhere. Eventually they'll have to come out and tell us their original intentions though. Casey Hudson can't be a recluse forever. With ME4 coming out, the question has to be answered, and a lot of people won't be happy if they deny it then...

BioWare, isn't it's own entity any longer. It's a part of EA now. BioWare wants what EA wants.

I of course mean the actual team in Edmonton. The writers, the artists, the programmers, etc. For the most part, they want to make a game.

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estebanus wrote...

Banshee, that was from MGS 3: Snake Eater.



Oh cool. I never played those because I have an Xbox. :/

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Or... imagine this EA wants what Biaware wants. ))

...Which would make no sense.


Why? It makes perfect sense.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I think EA wants money a lot more than Bioware, but yeah. I just wish people were better people. And you're right; there are so many people who buy the DLC hoping it will lead somewhere. Eventually they'll have to come out and tell us their original intentions though. Casey Hudson can't be a recluse forever. With ME4 coming out, the question has to be answered, and a lot of people won't be happy if they deny it then...

BioWare, isn't it's own entity any longer. It's a part of EA now. BioWare wants what EA wants.

I of course mean the actual team in Edmonton. The writers, the artists, the programmers, etc. For the most part, they want to make a game.

Maybe. I'm not really sure about that any longer, though.

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That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

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demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

Or... imagine this EA wants what Biaware wants. ))

...Which would make no sense.


Why? It makes perfect sense.

No, it doesn't.

Look, a big corporation doesn't want that what some small company that they've absorbed wants. They want money! And, if need be, they'd destroy that very company to get that money. They don't care, they've got a near endless supply of companies that will continue being absorbed into that entity, which will in turn create more money for them.

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That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

I'll wait until the end of the DLC cycle. If nothing comes from it, or there are no more strong IT hints, I may wait until ME4. I'm not sure what they could do (that people would buy) with ME4 without IT, so that's good.

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estebanus wrote...

Banshee, that was from MGS 3: Snake Eater.



Oh cool. I never played those because I have an Xbox. :/

That's a shame. It's an incredibly beautiful series.
I think the HD collection has come out for the Xbox, however.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

I'll wait until the end of the DLC cycle. If nothing comes from it, or there are no more strong IT hints, I may wait until ME4. I'm not sure what they could do (that people would buy) with ME4 without IT, so that's good.

I don't believe that.

BioWare's main source of income doesn't come from that segment that traverse the BSN, and according to a recent poll in which over 100.000 participated, most people like the endings after the EC. Like it or not, I think that BioWare has in fact gotten the possibility to slip away with those endings.
You may not buy it, hell, maybe the whole IT community wouldn't buy it, but the IT community is only a minority inside the hardcore fanbase, which in itself is a minority within the people that buy games from BioWare.

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estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

Or... imagine this EA wants what Biaware wants. ))

...Which would make no sense.


Why? It makes perfect sense.

No, it doesn't.

Look, a big corporation doesn't want that what some small company that they've absorbed wants. They want money! And, if need be, they'd destroy that very company to get that money. They don't care, they've got a near endless supply of companies that will continue being absorbed into that entity, which will in turn create more money for them.

THE PATTERN HAS REPEATED ITSELF MORE TIMES THAN YOU CAN FATHOM. COMPANIES RISE, EVOLVE, ADVANCE, AND AT THE APEX OF THEIR GLORY, THEY ARE EXTINGUISHED. BIOWARE WAS NOT THE FIRST.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

I'll wait until the end of the DLC cycle. If nothing comes from it, or there are no more strong IT hints, I may wait until ME4. I'm not sure what they could do (that people would buy) with ME4 without IT, so that's good.

I don't believe that.

BioWare's main source of income doesn't come from that segment that traverse the BSN, and according to a recent poll in which over 100.000 participated, most people like the endings after the EC. Like it or not, I think that BioWare has in fact gotten the possibility to slip away with those endings.
You may not buy it, hell, maybe the whole IT community wouldn't buy it, but the IT community is only a minority inside the hardcore fanbase, which in itself is a minority within the people that buy games from BioWare.

That's not what I meant. Many on this thread have come to the conclusion that an IT-based ME4 is almost the only scenario to continue the series. Can you think of another?

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I found the link to the MGS HD collection for Xbox, Banshee. You should check it out, if you're interested.

EDIT: Top again! I'm on a roll!

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