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[spotlessvoid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

I'll wait until the end of the DLC cycle. If nothing comes from it, or there are no more strong IT hints, I may wait until ME4. I'm not sure what they could do (that people would buy) with ME4 without IT, so that's good.

I can forgive screwing up an ending. I would be a lot more cautious, and it would take a while before they would get pre-order trust. But if I get dragged along cynically for a year...that I would never forgive. They would have permanently lost a customer forever. Either the IT community is large, and they risk alienating a lot of people by ultimately betraying them. Or it's not that large and they're going to look like giant trolls to everyone for ultimately almost no gain. I just don't see them being that incredibly short sighted and callous

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

I found the link to the MGS HD collection for Xbox, Banshee. You should check it out, if you're interested.

EDIT: Top again! I'm on a roll!

Yeah, and I like it! Thanks for the link.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

That would make Bioware lying little twerps. Without some sort of eventual reveal they're going to lose much of that business anyways. If they leave IT hanging forever then I'll leave them hanging forever. Some/many won't be buying any more of their products without them providing the requisite explanation of what happens after the indoctrination attempt. No credit for partial endings. It might not even come until ME4. Neither will my money though. I think a lot of people are are willing to wait out the dlc cycle. Who knows. I for one won't be a future customer without a finished game.

I'll wait until the end of the DLC cycle. If nothing comes from it, or there are no more strong IT hints, I may wait until ME4. I'm not sure what they could do (that people would buy) with ME4 without IT, so that's good.

I don't believe that.

BioWare's main source of income doesn't come from that segment that traverse the BSN, and according to a recent poll in which over 100.000 participated, most people like the endings after the EC. Like it or not, I think that BioWare has in fact gotten the possibility to slip away with those endings.
You may not buy it, hell, maybe the whole IT community wouldn't buy it, but the IT community is only a minority inside the hardcore fanbase, which in itself is a minority within the people that buy games from BioWare.

That's not what I meant. Many on this thread have come to the conclusion that an IT-based ME4 is almost the only scenario to continue the series. Can you think of another?

Of course I can. The literal endings are real.
When the ME sequel come out, synthesis will have happened, no matter what. However, It has not solved quite as much as the catalyst believes. Man and machine may understand each other better now, but that hasn't prevented the uprisings of new conflicts. The krogan have regained an empire to rival that of council space. Now, they seek to expand their territory, with force if needed. 
New synthetics have been created (if the geth are alive, then they remain), but some of them have been inflicted with a virus that turns some of them into crazed lunatics, creating a synthetic civil war.

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

[spotlessvoid]

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I found the link to the MGS HD collection for Xbox, Banshee. You should check it out, if you're interested.

EDIT: Top again! I'm on a roll!

Yeah, and I like it! Thanks for the link.

It's not all the games, but it does provide newcomers with a comfortable entry into the universe. That's how I came to like it as well.

[spotlessvoid]

Btw I can't find that 100,000 poll....link?

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

That's not what I meant. Many on this thread have come to the conclusion that an IT-based ME4 is almost the only scenario to continue the series. Can you think of another?

Of course I can. The literal endings are real.
When the ME sequel come out, synthesis will have happened, no matter what. However, It has not solved quite as much as the catalyst believes. Man and machine may understand each other better now, but that hasn't prevented the uprisings of new conflicts. The krogan have regained an empire to rival that of council space. Now, they seek to expand their territory, with force if needed. 
New synthetics have been created (if the geth are alive, then they remain), but some of them have been inflicted with a virus that turns some of them into crazed lunatics, creating a synthetic civil war.

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

Anything is possible, but no. I don't see potential in that.
1. Jessica Merizan is little more than a fan. She interprets what people like Mike Gamble say, and repeats it in her own words. She also trusts the Guardian 100% it seems. I disregard her statements, but not her opinions.
2. Fighting the Krogan would be a major blow to the people who cured the genophage; most people.
3. Fighting the Geth would be a major blow to people who saved them, especially if they killed the Quarians.
4. Creating an entire knew faction to replace the geth would be odd.
5. The reapers could crush any opposition.
6. The best reason. Fighting the krogan or the geth would completely undermine the theme and point of Mass Effect (Esp. ME3). Unity. All of that would be lost if we fought them. Same reason we won't do a First Contact War game either.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Btw I can't find that 100,000 poll....link?

I want to see it too, but I also forget.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Btw I can't find that 100,000 poll....link?

Give me a few minutes. I'll try and dig it up.

[Restrider]

estebanus wrote...

--snip--

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

No... for different reasons.
1. You'd invalidate all of the choices and would therefor put the final nail in the coffin of the original trilogy since everything becomes pointless.
2. If Synthesis is the convergence point, you'd have in 2/3 of them Reapers around, unless you retcon them somehow out of existence.
3. What can top the Reapers in being a threat? Leviathans? It would just be like some kind of poor men's Reapers.

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

That is REALLY far fetched

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

That is REALLY far fetched

Of course it is. If you want me to come up with a more detailed, logical explanation, then give me a week for writing a f*cking story. That was just off the top of my head.

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

estebanus wrote...

--snip--

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

No... for different reasons.
1. You'd invalidate all of the choices and would therefor put the final nail in the coffin of the original trilogy since everything becomes pointless.
2. If Synthesis is the convergence point, you'd have in 2/3 of them Reapers around, unless you retcon them somehow out of existence.
3. What can top the Reapers in being a threat? Leviathans? It would just be like some kind of poor men's Reapers.

I took the "synthesis has already happened" in there because that's simply what a BioWare employee told me, although she really isn't the most reliable source of information

[BansheeOwnage]

Restrider wrote...

estebanus wrote...

--snip--

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

No... for different reasons.
1. You'd invalidate all of the choices and would therefor put the final nail in the coffin of the original trilogy since everything becomes pointless.
2. If Synthesis is the convergence point, you'd have in 2/3 of them Reapers around, unless you retcon them somehow out of existence.
3. What can top the Reapers in being a threat? Leviathans? It would just be like some kind of poor men's Reapers.

Leviathans are Reapers with a different skin.

But yeah, if they have a literal-based continuation, they must choose a canon. Choosing any would undermine the others. This problem is fixed with IT. Becoming indoctrinated would be the equivalent of dying on the suicide mission. It's a perfectly fine outcome, but you can't import.

Hell, you could do that for control and synthesis in a literal view, but if you're going to pick destroy, why not take the next step and use IT.

Another thing. The majority of people choose Destroy.

[spotlessvoid]

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

That is REALLY far fetched

Of course it is. If you want me to come up with a more detailed, logical explanation, then give me a week for writing a f*cking story. That was just off the top of my head.

You've had 7 ****ing months

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

Restrider wrote...

estebanus wrote...

--snip--

There, doesn't that have some potential in it?

No... for different reasons.
1. You'd invalidate all of the choices and would therefor put the final nail in the coffin of the original trilogy since everything becomes pointless.
2. If Synthesis is the convergence point, you'd have in 2/3 of them Reapers around, unless you retcon them somehow out of existence.
3. What can top the Reapers in being a threat? Leviathans? It would just be like some kind of poor men's Reapers.

I took the "synthesis has already happened" in there because that's simply what a BioWare employee told me, although she really isn't the most reliable source of information

Exactly. If it were to occur natually, it would take thousand or millions of years. In which case, you could call the series any other title for the amount of significance it has to ME.

[BansheeOwnage]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

That is REALLY far fetched

Of course it is. If you want me to come up with a more detailed, logical explanation, then give me a week for writing a f*cking story. That was just off the top of my head.

You've had 7 ****ing months

Whoa there calm down Spot. Estebanus hasn't been writing this scenario at all.

[401 Kill]

"Woah, just take it easy man." Anything new today?
Edit:'d on first sentance.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:53 .

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

estebanus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

None, because the Reapers are still around and now they're friendly. Any race trying to rise up against the others would face the might of the rest of the galaxy plus Reapers.

The presence of the reapers themselves isn't absolutely assured. The new catalyst may have destroyed them afterwards, or it may have given them free will, whereafter they vanish, letting the galaxy behind them.
Or if synthesis were chosen, the reapers also have free will. After helping the organics rebuild, they find themselves not to have any purpose in *life*, whereafter they simply leave the galaxy.

That is REALLY far fetched

Of course it is. If you want me to come up with a more detailed, logical explanation, then give me a week for writing a f*cking story. That was just off the top of my head.

You've had 7 ****ing months

...What? You think I've been working on a story for an ME sequel for 7 months? Dafuq are you talking about?

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

"Woah, just take it easy man." Anything new today?
Edit:'d on first sentance.

Not much, just discussing what they could do with ME4.

[estebanus]

Here's the link to that survey.

Modifié par estebanus, 14 octobre 2012 - 09:57 .

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

"Woah, just take it easy man." Anything new today?
Edit:'d on first sentance.

Not much, just discussing what they could do with ME4.

Canonizing destroy could work. The leviathans could turn out to be wolves wearing the fur of sheep.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

"Woah, just take it easy man." Anything new today?
Edit:'d on first sentance.

Not much, just discussing what they could do with ME4.

Canonizing destroy could work. The leviathans could turn out to be wolves wearing the fur of sheep.

Yeah, but it would be like fighting worse reapers/reapers with a new coat of paint. Again, kind of undermines control and synthesis in a literal view.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

"Woah, just take it easy man." Anything new today?
Edit:'d on first sentance.

Not much, just discussing what they could do with ME4.

Canonizing destroy could work. The leviathans could turn out to be wolves wearing the fur of sheep.

Yeah, but it would be like fighting worse reapers/reapers with a new coat of paint. Again, kind of undermines control and synthesis in a literal view.

As I said, destroy would be canonized. Without eliminating the reapers in another way, it'd be the only one open to real conflict.

EDIT: Top again! 3 times in a row!

Modifié par estebanus, 14 octobre 2012 - 10:01 .