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[TSA_383]

BatmanTurian wrote...

come into this thread and watch the silly literalists rage. It's hilarious.

http://social.biowar.../index/14482367

Zenor wrote...

I'd punch the closest person in the face. I
hate IT and I'll hate the rest that comes with it. If they want to do a
new ending, redo it (in terms of completely new and changing everything
about it) or modify. Do NOT bring in a ending worse then the original
ME3 ending without the extended cut.

However, if puzzle theory (if I'm correct... successful refuse?) was the
thing, then I wouldn't be as mad. I just don't want this "YOU'RE
INDOCTRINATED!" or "fake" endings added. Personally, if a successful
refuse is added I want it to have a downside to it as well, maybe a huge
ton of casualties that we truly can't comprehend or something. I don't
want a easy win.

That's just me personally.

Dav3VsTh3World wrote...

KaeserZen wrote...

Interesting
insight man. So, you're not against opening up to a different ending,
but if it is about Shepard being indoctrinated, you'll receive it
poorly.

Do you mind if I ask why exactly ? Is it because you will be angry to have been strung along for almost a year ?

Yes because retconing the climax of an established trilogy for a whole "It was all a dream" excuse IS F#^&#$* STUPID!!!

Seriously
how the hell do people actually think cuttting out the established
endings that people chose to be nothing more than "fake endings" after
putting so much hard thought and discusssion into each ending from all 3
perspectives about how they each supported and rejected their certain
choice be a brilliant idea?

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

Worryingly, this is just the sort of "controversy" that EA and the like tend to shy away from...

[spotlessvoid]

I love how people try to say starchild = beings of light. Like beings of light isn't plural lol

[spotlessvoid]

" Worryingly, this is just the sort of "controversy" that EA and the like tend to shy away from..."

Please don't let these kind of people determine your plans Bioware

[Xilizhra]

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

if the alternate ideas made sense, then I'd probably be more open to them. Just me personally.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:41 .

[Xilizhra]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

if the alternate ideas made sense, then I'd probably be more open to them. Just me personally.

Believe me, 'tis mutual.

[401 Kill]

Xilizhra wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

if the alternate ideas made sense, then I'd probably be more open to them. Just me personally.

Believe me, 'tis mutual.

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

[Dwailing]

I have to agree with BatmanTurian. I'm open to new ideas if they explain the ending as well or better than IT. The problem is, you'd have to assume that BioWare forgot everything about how to write a decent story in the last 15 minutes of the game to believe in Literalism.

[Xilizhra]

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

if the alternate ideas made sense, then I'd probably be more open to them. Just me personally.

Believe me, 'tis mutual.

See? we can have a civil conversation.

[Humakt83]

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of the Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

Modifié par Humakt83, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:51 .

[401 Kill]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

You can believe what you want. It's just how people come to those conclusions that irks me. Have you looked past what is simply shown to you and connected the dots for yourself? Or are you the type to not bother with it all and only use what is on the surface to come to your conclusion?

[Xilizhra]

401 Kill wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

You can believe what you want. It's just how people come to those conclusions that irks me. Have you looked past what is simply shown to you and connected the dots for yourself? Or are you the type to not bother with it all and only use what is on the surface to come to your conclusion?

The writing is too riddled with holes to support much beyond the surface. IT relies on the belief that Bioware was both very clever in hiding clues around the narrative while being incredibly stupid in a business sense, and I'm fairly sure they're more neutral on both of these than IT permits, especially with the time crunches they were going through.

[BatmanTurian]

Humakt83 wrote...

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

I think that would be a little too much for me. some kind of augmented reality or hallucination is fine, but making the third dream never end would really turn me off.

[CmdrShep80]

Xilizhra wrote...

Just suggesting a hypothetical makes them slam on their ragefaces.

It's funny, because this thread is ever so calm and not-personal-attack-making when presented with alternate ideas.
Oh, wait.

simple. We don't have to defend against anything. It's all over all 3 games. Plus the tons of extra info people can read just from the 3 threads.  Whereas the others tend to have to defend against people poking holes in their theories. It's like arguing the world is flat cause I have a map and when I look at the horizon the world is still flat. When presented by a picture from space it would be labeled a fake. Or the other the Earth is at the center of the universe and again when presented a picture that Earth revolves around a bunch of things it would be labeled a fake. 

You can probably guess which of these two theories the above resembles

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

You can believe what you want. It's just how people come to those conclusions that irks me. Have you looked past what is simply shown to you and connected the dots for yourself? Or are you the type to not bother with it all and only use what is on the surface to come to your conclusion?

The writing is too riddled with holes to support much beyond the surface. IT relies on the belief that Bioware was both very clever in hiding clues around the narrative while being incredibly stupid in a business sense, and I'm fairly sure they're more neutral on both of these than IT permits, especially with the time crunches they were going through.

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disenfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disenfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

And they're going to have to make a sequel because nobody will buy a prequel or something happening during the mass effect games because the player choices won't matter.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:57 .

[Rifneno]

GDI. I check back for the first time in days, and Xil is STILL here puking literalist nonsense?

[401 Kill]

Xilizhra wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

You can believe what you want. It's just how people come to those conclusions that irks me. Have you looked past what is simply shown to you and connected the dots for yourself? Or are you the type to not bother with it all and only use what is on the surface to come to your conclusion?

The writing is too riddled with holes to support much beyond the surface. IT relies on the belief that Bioware was both very clever in hiding clues around the narrative while being incredibly stupid in a business sense, and I'm fairly sure they're more neutral on both of these than IT permits, especially with the time crunches they were going through.

Well, I really liked the writing to the game, and the series as a whole. I still have faith that Bioware knows exactly what they want to do, and the IT fits in perfectly with my feelings (towards the games, and Bioware themselves). Sadly, this difference is the one that keeps us different. Edit: Do not take this as me saying that I believe in the IT because I simply like Bioware. I have seen most of the evidence of IT, and formed my own conclusions on it. And it makes perfect sense for me.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 14 octobre 2012 - 11:58 .

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

I think that would be a little too much for me. some kind of augmented reality or hallucination is fine, but making the third dream never end would really turn me off.

Why exactly? And who's now not open to ideas?   
Actually it would be quite cool - really - no major events and decisions after that point, almost no new info, etc. 

[Xilizhra]

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

[Humakt83]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

I think that would be a little too much for me. some kind of augmented reality or hallucination is fine, but making the third dream never end would really turn me off.

It depends entirely on how it will be handled afterwards. We are still in the dark on what is going to happen next anyway.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget the smiley face on one of the red tubes/pipes/pillars on Cerberus base.

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

GDI. I check back for the first time in days, and Xil is STILL here puking literalist nonsense?

You develop an immunity to it over time.

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

I think that would be a little too much for me. some kind of augmented reality or hallucination is fine, but making the third dream never end would really turn me off.

Why exactly? And who's now not open to ideas?   
Actually it would be quite cool - really - no major events and decisions after that point, almost no new info, etc. 

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

[BatmanTurian]

Humakt83 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I still wonder whether the third dream never ended.

As we know the game starts to get more and more weird as the story progresses from the final (?) dream.

Cerberus base: the huge breach on the wall and everyone can still breathe? The remains of the Human Reaper. The RGB color theme. Sudden capture of Citadel by Cerberus and the Reapers. Kai Leng lives after the final encounter.

I think that would be a little too much for me. some kind of augmented reality or hallucination is fine, but making the third dream never end would really turn me off.

It depends entirely on how it will be handled afterwards. We are still in the dark on what is going to happen next anyway.

Oh yeah, and lets not forget the smiley face on one of the red tubes/pipes/pillars on Cerberus base.

That was wierd, but maybe it was employee graffitti or an easter egg? Hypothetically.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?