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[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

Modifié par demersel, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .

[Xilizhra]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Both still have conflict. Control has plenty of possible situations that can't be resolved by brute force and where indoctrination would be a political error (probably most situations). Synthesis, while it's a step towards peace, isn't a jump into pure peace right away and could have plenty of issues of conflict arising; maybe even between Reapers in some cases.

[401 Kill]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 

Well, Shepard finally destroyed Cerberus. Plus he had an identity crisis. 

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

I understand the idea, I just respectfully disagree. We all have our different interpretations.

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Control and synthesis both have plenty of conflict.

Hint: Shepard is the villain.

[Humakt83]

demersel wrote...

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

I can't agree with that. There are lots of revelations in them. But lots of questions left unanswered too (and it raises as many new questions as it answers). And everyone tells their goodbyes.

Modifié par Humakt83, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Both still have conflict. Control has plenty of possible situations that can't be resolved by brute force and where indoctrination would be a political error (probably most situations). Synthesis, while it's a step towards peace, isn't a jump into pure peace right away and could have plenty of issues of conflict arising; maybe even between Reapers in some cases.

... okay, I'm listening. Would there be a rebellion against Shepreaper? It would be put down pretty quickly and then make Shep look like the bad guy.


What might happen in Synthesis, even though everybody is supposed to understand each other at a fundamental level? Not understanding each other is what causes conflict and if you can just connect to the other person if you have a disagreement, harmony and understanding can be achieved quicker.

Assuming everything is literal, of course.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

Why would people have a problem with ME3 being a dream? C'mon, people, get over yourselves! Haven't you seen Lost?

[demersel]

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 

Well, Shepard finally destroyed Cerberus. Plus he had an identity crisis. 

Identity crisis - yes (just a thing you would have in a dream)
Destroyed cerberus - not really - all they did was destroy an abendoned station that used to be a HQ, with nothing really in it. Illusive man was not there. It wasn't even a deathstar thing - it had no value - we just trashed his office - smashed the windows, broke some chairs, spilled coffe on his keyboard, read some of his e-mails - and that is it. 

Modifié par demersel, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:12 .

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Control and synthesis both have plenty of conflict.

Hint: Shepard is the villain.

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

[demersel]

Humakt83 wrote...

I can't agree with that. There are lots of revelations in them. But lots of questions left unanswered too. And everyone tells their goodbyes.

What if that is a starting point of a full walking hallucination overlay? because surely both cronos station and priority earth fell quite unreal and dreamy - it's like walking in sleep. 

[Xilizhra]

... okay, I'm listening. Would there be a rebellion against Shepreaper? It would be put down pretty quickly and then make Shep look like the bad guy.

I believe the galaxy would be set up to try to require as little intervention from the Reapers as possible, especially in a Paragon state, so you'd still have Spectres trying to resolve situations so that they don't lead to all-out war, and suchlike. The Shadow Broker information network would still be up, and that could lead to plenty of issues. There could be a pure-Terminus game outside of Council authority altogether.

What might happen in Synthesis, even though everybody is supposed to understand each other at a fundamental level? Not understanding each other is what causes conflict and if you can just connect to the other person if you have a disagreement, harmony and understanding can be achieved quicker.

The only actual understanding that was achieved at that point was synthetic understand of organics in general; organics just got a boost to interfacing with technology. While these are all quite helpful for reaching utopia, they won't make a utopia in and of themselves. Plenty of effort will still be required, and could well result in conflict.

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

Why would people have a problem with ME3 being a dream? C'mon, people, get over yourselves! Haven't you seen Lost?

Extensively. LOST has magic in their universe, which covers all of its inconsistancies.

[Bill Casey]

Xilizhra wrote...

Synthesis, while it's a step towards peace, isn't a jump into pure peace right away and could have plenty of issues of conflict arising; maybe even between Reapers in some cases.

Synthesis EDI: "With peace across the galaxy and unlimited access to knowledge, we can eliminated poverty disease and overpopulation."

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Control and synthesis both have plenty of conflict.

Hint: Shepard is the villain.

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

Oh, there is a lot of potential in Synthesis. Utopian society and how it is abused by a small group of individuals. Sounds familiar?

[Xilizhra]

Bill Casey wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Synthesis, while it's a step towards peace, isn't a jump into pure peace right away and could have plenty of issues of conflict arising; maybe even between Reapers in some cases.

Synthesis EDI: "With peace across the galaxy and unlimited access to knowledge, we can eliminated poverty disease and overpopulation."

Well, you can, it just won't happen instantly.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

... okay, I'm listening. Would there be a rebellion against Shepreaper? It would be put down pretty quickly and then make Shep look like the bad guy.

I believe the galaxy would be set up to try to require as little intervention from the Reapers as possible, especially in a Paragon state, so you'd still have Spectres trying to resolve situations so that they don't lead to all-out war, and suchlike. The Shadow Broker information network would still be up, and that could lead to plenty of issues. There could be a pure-Terminus game outside of Council authority altogether.

What might happen in Synthesis, even though everybody is supposed to understand each other at a fundamental level? Not understanding each other is what causes conflict and if you can just connect to the other person if you have a disagreement, harmony and understanding can be achieved quicker.

The only actual understanding that was achieved at that point was synthetic understand of organics in general; organics just got a boost to interfacing with technology. While these are all quite helpful for reaching utopia, they won't make a utopia in and of themselves. Plenty of effort will still be required, and could well result in conflict.

Alright. I had not thought of these. I concede that its possible. I like the idea of wiping the slate clean and having some new bad guy though, but you bring up a few interesting points.

[Bill Casey]

There's no "war rally" or "war debate" slides in Synthesis...

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Control and synthesis both have plenty of conflict.

Hint: Shepard is the villain.

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

Oh, there is a lot of potential in Synthesis. Utopian society and how it is abused by a small group of individuals. Sounds familiar?

Brave New World

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

If IT/Puzzle theory is right, then they release little pieces of the game over a year, funding the next mass effect and paying their workers to keep making the DLC, debugging multiplayer, and adding more mp content. So, actually, it makes a very good lot of sense. Whether they disinfranchise people or not with a plan like it, they're going to have to disinfranchise people anyway if they make a sequel and have to pick what's canon and what's not.

If that does happen to be the case, then fine, but if things are being funneled into one ending, then it should be an ending that supports all possible philosophies, instead of saying that some are flat-out wrong. That'd disenfranchise the fewest number of people.

Well, a story has conflict. Control and Synthesis have no more conflict. See where I'm going with this?

Control and synthesis both have plenty of conflict.

Hint: Shepard is the villain.

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

Oh, there is a lot of potential in Synthesis. Utopian society and how it is abused by a small group of individuals. Sounds familiar?

Brave New World

Or Animal Farm for a symbolic presentation.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[Bill Casey]

Mac Walter's notes...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:17 .

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I can't agree with that. There are lots of revelations in them. But lots of questions left unanswered too. And everyone tells their goodbyes.

What if that is a starting point of a full walking hallucination overlay? because surely both cronos station and priority earth fell quite unreal and dreamy - it's like walking in sleep. 

If this were true, why wouldn't Shep's buddies be concerned and ask them if they're okay? I'd think someone experiencing an augmented reality (through the implants a la project overlord or hallucination) would be obvious to spot: talking to people who aren't there, rifle-butting nothing, shooting at empty space, etc.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Alright. I had not thought of these. I concede that its possible. I like the idea of wiping the slate clean and having some new bad guy though, but you bring up a few interesting points.

Possibility: a pure-Terminus game sometime in the future, probably at the same point as the Stargazer epilogue. In an area where a lack of Reaper presence for political reasons can be justified; that might not even require it to be Terminus, but that may be helpful. Technology upgrades gained from studying the Reapers can allow for the beginnings of Synthesis traits among the population even if that option wasn't chosen, such as some personal tech integration abilities and more individualistic synthetics. A Genesis-esque system at the beginning can implement the choice you made, which will affect dialogue, but doesn't have to affect much else if the circumstances are right. This can possibly serve as the beginning of a new characters' series.

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I don't know. It means chronos, priority Earth, and the citadel didn't happen, so then we'd have to go over everything else again and that would make the game way longer than it has to be. Then people would have a legitimate complaint about " it was all a dream".

BUT, if you really think about it - pretty much nothing happened in either of those two missions - they really have nothing in them except some horde combat.  Nothing of significance. 


Edit - it is really astounishing - nothing really happens in the last two missions of the game

Why would people have a problem with ME3 being a dream? C'mon, people, get over yourselves! Haven't you seen Lost?

Extensively. LOST has magic in their universe, which covers all of its inconsistancies.

Mass Effect has hallucinations, which cover all of its inconsistencies.

[BatmanTurian]

Bill Casey wrote...

Mac Walter's notes...

What's that next to the matrix word?