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[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

Shepbinger is not Shepard. Shepard is dead. Shepbinger even refers to him as someone else. You know, when he's busy sounding disturbingly like Sovereign.

As for the whole "synthesis will be equality and peace and sunshine" stuff, it's far too retarded for me to take seriously. Frankly, whatever drug was involved in coming up with such an idea would be illegal even on Illium.

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

demersel wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I can't agree with that. There are lots of revelations in them. But lots of questions left unanswered too. And everyone tells their goodbyes.

What if that is a starting point of a full walking hallucination overlay? because surely both cronos station and priority earth fell quite unreal and dreamy - it's like walking in sleep. 

If this were true, why wouldn't Shep's buddies be concerned and ask them if they're okay? I'd think someone experiencing an augmented reality (through the implants a la project overlord or hallucination) would be obvious to spot: talking to people who aren't there, rifle-butting nothing, shooting at empty space, etc.

There's a very simple rule to strike ops.  Never correct a man with a machine gun.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

Alright. I had not thought of these. I concede that its possible. I like the idea of wiping the slate clean and having some new bad guy though, but you bring up a few interesting points.

Possibility: a pure-Terminus game sometime in the future, probably at the same point as the Stargazer epilogue. In an area where a lack of Reaper presence for political reasons can be justified; that might not even require it to be Terminus, but that may be helpful. Technology upgrades gained from studying the Reapers can allow for the beginnings of Synthesis traits among the population even if that option wasn't chosen, such as some personal tech integration abilities and more individualistic synthetics. A Genesis-esque system at the beginning can implement the choice you made, which will affect dialogue, but doesn't have to affect much else if the circumstances are right. This can possibly serve as the beginning of a new characters' series.

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Yeah, I know. I mean all of the other races. Assuming a literal ending (God, help me) Shepreaper will not allow war anymore and in synthesis everyone gets along. So... it seems like there is very little story potential there.

Shepbinger is not Shepard. Shepard is dead. Shepbinger even refers to him as someone else. You know, when he's busy sounding disturbingly like Sovereign.

As for the whole "synthesis will be equality and peace and sunshine" stuff, it's far too retarded for me to take seriously. Frankly, whatever drug was involved in coming up with such an idea would be illegal even on Illium.

Hey. I agree with you. I'm just going hypothetical here.

[Xilizhra]

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

[Bill Casey]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Mac Walter's notes...

What's that next to the matrix word?

"Theories about all things"

I think...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:28 .

[byne]

Bill Casey wrote...

Mac Walter's notes...

I refuse to believe there was ever a situation where they sat down, asked how the literal endings felt, and came away saying anything other than repulsive and not fitting within the universe.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

That could be true. Or it could be a meta-message to the players. It's deliberately ambiguous.

[Andromidius]

Funny thing. People rage at IT because it 'goes against everything throughout the trilogy and is cheap'.

Yet synthesis completely fits with the entire trilogy, and isn't cheap? Oh okay then.

Sad thing is most people don't realise that IT isn't 'rewriting the ending'. Its not rewriting anything. Its ADDING to the story, in a subliminal and subtle manner.

But then stupidity is exceedingly common on the internet.

[Xilizhra]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

That could be true. Or it could be a meta-message to the players. It's deliberately ambiguous.

Indeed, but I believe that the ambiguity will remain. The next game, too, will allow for IT to have possibly been true, but it won't say for certain. It'll also support literalist interpretations. We may thus all be content. Jessica Merizan said something about not wanting to deprive anyone of their interpretations.

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

demersel wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

I can't agree with that. There are lots of revelations in them. But lots of questions left unanswered too. And everyone tells their goodbyes.

What if that is a starting point of a full walking hallucination overlay? because surely both cronos station and priority earth fell quite unreal and dreamy - it's like walking in sleep. 

If this were true, why wouldn't Shep's buddies be concerned and ask them if they're okay? I'd think someone experiencing an augmented reality (through the implants a la project overlord or hallucination) would be obvious to spot: talking to people who aren't there, rifle-butting nothing, shooting at empty space, etc.

it might be more sublte than that - and it also might be there are really things to shoot at and riffle butt them, and to talk to. And you're wrong - Anderson is very conserned about shepard's behavior in priority earth. 

[Rifneno]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

That could be true. Or it could be a meta-message to the players. It's deliberately ambiguous.

Or it could be that somebody from BW was at a charity dinner, met Buzz Aldrin, got him to agree to a voice-over cameo and they came up with some stupid scene just to stick his cameo in.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Well, if looking beyond the surface is something that you refuse to do...

You're entitled to your interpretation. Where I disagree is ensuring that no one else is entitled to anything but your interpretation.

And yet you have this incessant need to come to this thread and force everyone to agree with your "compromise." When it's been made repeatedly clear nobody is interested. You don't have a single valuable contribution. All you do is complain how much IT is a personal affront to your interpretation. Your visits serve no purpose, and at this point you have become nothing but an obnoxious nuisance. Stop trolling. Find something else to do

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

That could be true. Or it could be a meta-message to the players. It's deliberately ambiguous.

Indeed, but I believe that the ambiguity will remain. The next game, too, will allow for IT to have possibly been true, but it won't say for certain. It'll also support literalist interpretations. We may thus all be content. Jessica Merizan said something about not wanting to deprive anyone of their interpretations.

You may be right, but we'll have to see.

That said, eventually they have to settle into a base canon history for the next game that satisfies almost everyone. That seems difficult but I could be wrong.

[DavidMW]

Andromidius wrote...

Funny thing. People rage at IT because it 'goes against everything throughout the trilogy and is cheap'.

Yet synthesis completely fits with the entire trilogy, and isn't cheap? Oh okay then.

Sad thing is most people don't realise that IT isn't 'rewriting the ending'. Its not rewriting anything. Its ADDING to the story, in a subliminal and subtle manner.

But then stupidity is exceedingly common on the internet.

In my experience alot of people hate the IT simply because if its true they picked the wrong choice.

[Xilizhra]

And yet you have this incessant need to come to this thread and force everyone to agree with your "compromise." When it's been made repeatedly clear nobody is interested. You don't have a single valuable contribution. All you do is complain how much IT is a personal affront to your interpretation. Your visits serve no purpose, and at this point you have become nothing but an obnoxious nuisance. Stop trolling. Find something else to do

BatmanTurian disproves your assertion.

That said, eventually they have to settle into a base canon history
for the next game that satisfies almost everyone. That seems difficult
but I could be wrong.

The best base canon history, I believe, is a vague one.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 15 octobre 2012 - 12:32 .

[BatmanTurian]

Rifneno wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Possible, but I remain skeptical. However, your ideas of the possibilities of a post-literal ending are interesting.

What helps, I think, is that the stargazer scene is identical in all endings except Refusal, an indicator that the tone of the universe hasn't necessarily changed that much from the endings.

That could be true. Or it could be a meta-message to the players. It's deliberately ambiguous.

Or it could be that somebody from BW was at a charity dinner, met Buzz Aldrin, got him to agree to a voice-over cameo and they came up with some stupid scene just to stick his cameo in.

Equally valid, lol.

[Rifneno]

DavidMW wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Funny thing. People rage at IT because it 'goes against everything throughout the trilogy and is cheap'.

Yet synthesis completely fits with the entire trilogy, and isn't cheap? Oh okay then.

Sad thing is most people don't realise that IT isn't 'rewriting the ending'. Its not rewriting anything. Its ADDING to the story, in a subliminal and subtle manner.

But then stupidity is exceedingly common on the internet.

In my experience alot of people hate the IT simply because if its true they picked the wrong choice.

But enough about Xilizhra.

[byne]

Xilizhra wrote...

That said, eventually they have to settle into a base canon history
for the next game that satisfies almost everyone. That seems difficult
but I could be wrong.

The best base canon history, I believe, is a vague one.

Its kind of hard to be vague about whether or not synthesis happened. You can tell just by looking at people.

[spotlessvoid]

" BatmanTurian disproves your assertion."

BT is a very polite person. Doesn't mean he enjoys your little visits. Only he knows the answer to that

" The best base canon history,I believe, is a vague one."

The best canon is no canon? Lol

[Arashi08]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Damn it! Goddamn N7 eagle!

It's really good! Especially against collectors. It's just not what people expect. It's more of a support weapon. People expect a Glock 18 and when it doesn't perform like that they instantly think it's garbage. It's a great in-cover weapon. Have you tried it in the Destroyer?

Edit: Oh, you got me!

I. F*cking. Hate. The Eagle. throwing a goddamn curled up paperball would be more effective than that child's toy!
Nope, Paladin's still the right one for me.

That's all well and good, but it's totally unfair to compare the two opposite ends of the pistol spectrum. They're ment for different things. You may have a preference, but that doesn't mean your unprefered alternative is bad.

Edit: The Fury is awesome! Funny, I use an Eagle there. The Paladin doesn't suit its always-on-the-move style.

I'm inclined to agree.  I just tried that Fury-Eagle combo an hour ago and it was actually pretty effective, having an AP mod helped too lol

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

And yet you have this incessant need to come to this thread and force everyone to agree with your "compromise." When it's been made repeatedly clear nobody is interested. You don't have a single valuable contribution. All you do is complain how much IT is a personal affront to your interpretation. Your visits serve no purpose, and at this point you have become nothing but an obnoxious nuisance. Stop trolling. Find something else to do

BatmanTurian disproves your assertion.

That said, eventually they have to settle into a base canon history
for the next game that satisfies almost everyone. That seems difficult
but I could be wrong.

The best base canon history, I believe, is a vague one.

Which means hundreds of years into the future and most of the squaddies dead, the galaxy so different as to have to relearn almost everything. Then there's the fact that 99% of the milky way is uncharted at the moment. More races could be discovered, some canon wars or events could have happened since. So, yeah. Wrex/Wreav and Liara and other long-lived important members of their species might still be alive, like Aria and Grunt.

[shepskisaac]

Rifneno wrote...

In my experience alot of people hate the IT simply because if its true they picked the wrong choice.

You're surprised people would hate if only 1, Paragon choice was the 'correct' one in a series that had 2 moral paths from day 1 and already pandered to Paragons too much with some of the choices?

[BatmanTurian]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" BatmanTurian disproves your assertion."

BT is a very polite person. Doesn't mean he enjoys your little visits. Only he knows the answer to that

" The best base canon history,I believe, is a vague one."

The best canon is no canon? Lol

I was a jerk yesterday because I was having a bad day. Today, I'm certainly being more accomadating than I would normally be, but I also try to be open-minded. I'm not sold on literal but I can see it as a hypothetical possibility. I don't like it, but I can't completely discount it.

[byne]

IsaacShep wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

In my experience alot of people hate the IT simply because if its true they picked the wrong choice.

You're surprised people would hate if only 1, Paragon choice was the 'correct' one in a series that had 2 moral paths from day 1 and already pandered to Paragons too much with some of the choices?

None of the end choices fit nicely into the paragon/renegade spectrum though. You cant really label any of them as paragon or renegade.