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cowboy of the void wrote...

Kind of an off track deal but my small minded reasoning looked at Control ending and thought wait if Destroy does in the reapers, EDI and the geth Synthesis affects all why is the Control ending all of sudden just only affects the reapers? Wouldn't that mean control of the geth too at least because of the reaper code? Dunno something I noticed that doesn't add up to me

That would depend if the players chose to "upgrade" the Geth or not. It's a possibility among others, but secondary to controlling the Reapers. We were not shown the Oculus "obeying to Shepard", but we can assume they will follow orders just like all other Reaper things (husks and such).

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SwobyJ wrote...

It's not even Shepard.

It's a Shepard AI in a Reaper body.

I'm friggin scared.

That's not what he's asking...

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SwobyJ wrote...

Another AMAZING IT-related (I'm sure the video maker is at least appreciative of IT ideas) video:

Mass Effect 3 ≈ Inundated
www.youtube.com/watch

I bet you'd get the same feeling with every LI (Tali *cough*)The LI interactions are all different, but it is pretty clear that they want you to destroy the Reapers at any cost. If you have no LI there is always Anderson to guide you.

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401 Kill wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Another AMAZING IT-related (I'm sure the video maker is at least appreciative of IT ideas) video:

Mass Effect 3 ≈ Inundated
www.youtube.com/watch

I bet you'd get the same feeling with every LI (Tali *cough*)The LI interactions are all different, but it is pretty clear that they want you to destroy the Reapers at any cost. If you have no LI there is always Anderson to guide you.

No one knows about the other options before they actually happen at the very end, so no LI could have pondered about those other "choices".

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SwobyJ wrote...

It has everything to do with what he's asking.

You may not actually be controlling the Reapers.

You may have handed over the keys to the geth and EDI.

We don't know. The endings are too vague.

I still wonder why anyone would come here to ask about anything that's not shown in game, as if someone here would happen to know the answer. The truth is that's not shown in game, and nothing hints towards any kind of explanation. Even in "Destroy", we don't see a single Geth being "killed", yet everyone talks about the horrible genocide. Sounds like a desperate prayer for Bioware to change stuff that's too unbearable for part of the audience.

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Iconoclaste wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Another AMAZING IT-related (I'm sure the video maker is at least appreciative of IT ideas) video:

Mass Effect 3 ≈ Inundated
www.youtube.com/watch

I bet you'd get the same feeling with every LI (Tali *cough*)The LI interactions are all different, but it is pretty clear that they want you to destroy the Reapers at any cost. If you have no LI there is always Anderson to guide you.

No one knows about the other options before they actually happen at the very end, so no LI could have pondered about those other "choices".

Really? I'm positive that everyone on your squad knows that TIM wants to Control the Reapers, yet I have never heard them once tell Shepard to Control them. EDI is a prime example that synthesizing with the Reapers won't have eternal peace ( EDI seemingly becomes as close to an organic as possible for a synthetic. And EDI states that she will oppose them.) if you don't like that example, everyone should know about Saren...

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401 Kill wrote...
Really? I'm positive that everyone on your squad knows that TIM wants to Control the Reapers, yet I have never heard them once tell Shepard to Control them. EDI is a prime example that synthesizing with the Reapers won't have eternal peace ( EDI seemingly becomes as close to an organic as possible for a synthetic. And EDI states that she will oppose them.) if you don't like that example, everyone should know about Saren...

No one except TIM thought that controlling the Reapers was possible, not even Shepard just minutes before talking to the Catalyst, so I wonder why anyone would have tried to convince Shepard of something no one ever knew would be possible before the Crucible has docked with the Citadel.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:06 .

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SwobyJ wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Another AMAZING IT-related (I'm sure the video maker is at least appreciative of IT ideas) video:

Mass Effect 3 ≈ Inundated
www.youtube.com/watch

I bet you'd get the same feeling with every LI (Tali *cough*)The LI interactions are all different, but it is pretty clear that they want you to destroy the Reapers at any cost. If you have no LI there is always Anderson to guide you.

Actually, you may be more right than you think.

If you don't have a romance, Anderson (or 'Dream Anderson?') has dialogue, possibly cut from the game (can anyone confirm this? Some say it was 'restored' with EC?) that reflects this.
youtu.be/gZsRUEEr-AU

Adds more credibility to Anderson representing the 'ethical will' of Shepard. 'His' death means that Shepard is left open the the Catalyst illusion.


"Not everything I've done is something to be proud of."
"Come here. I'm proud of you. You did good child, you did good."
"Thank you sir."
"..."
"Anderson, stay with me. We're almost through this. Anderson?"

I've heard that it's available if you didn't romance anyone.  And you know what?  I think it actually confirms that this isn't real.  You know why?  In the books, it's revealed that Anderson has an ex-wife and a son.  And you know what Anderson says in the no romance dialogue?  He says he never had a family or kids.  I think this pretty much proves that it's a hallucination.  Of course, it COULD be that the writers of the ending forgot the books... but I doubt that VERY much.

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I just wanted to apologize. I may not agree with everything here, but there are some hives of such bitter, spiteful petulance on the BSN that I feel like I need a shower just by spending a few minutes in the place, and seeing some variety of optimism for the future is always better, even if it's on a view I disagree with. Please, carry on.

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Iconoclaste wrote...
No one except TIM thought that controlling the Reapers was possible, not even Shepard just minutes before talking to the Catalyst, so I wonder why anyone would have tried to convince Shepard of something no one ever knew would be possible before the Crucible has docked with the Citadel.

Control is not possible, I just posted my opinion as to why I believe this, here it is: 


 Shepard: "So, The Illusive Man was right after all."

Child: "Correct, but he could have never taken control, because we already controlled him."

Shepard cannot control the Reapers because just before that TIM was controlling Shepard and made Shepard shoot Anderson. If TIM controlled Shepard, and the Reapers controlled TIM than effectively, the Reapers controlled Shepard. (Or they are at least trying to but Shepard is resisting) Now, knowing this can there be any logical reason as to how Shepard can now control the Reapers. And it sure as hell better not be "Because the Catalyst aka the creator and leader of the Reapers said so". It is not possible, you cannot control the Reapers.

Modifié par 401 Kill, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:13 .

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SwobyJ wrote...

I'm gonna side with thematic consistency here.

And that you're given the choice by the 'creator of the Reapers' in the form of an Earth child that possibly only Shepard saw die.

And that you can awaken (I know, I know, just one breath) in rubble, quite possibly NOT on the Citadel. Not die.

And that 'TIM' 'controls' you just 5 minutes before the 'Catalyst' claims they already control TIM.

Whatever you're saying here has nothing to do with LIs "foreshadowing not to choose Control". Only thing that's sure is that no one knows about the "new possibilities" before they're offered by the Catalyst to Shepard.

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Shepard cannot control the Reapers because just before that TIM was controlling Shepard and made Shepard shoot Anderson. If TIM controlled Shepard, and the Reapers controlled TIM than effectively, the Reapers controlled Shepard. (Or they are at least trying to but Shepard is resisting) Now, knowing this can there be any logical reason as to how Shepard can now control the Reapers. And it sure as hell better not be "Because the Catalyst aka the creator and leader of the Reapers said so". It is not possible, you cannot control the Reapers.

TIM broke free from the Reapers at the end, and hence Shepard stop being controlled then. Technically, had TIM grabbed the control panel right at the moment of his freedom there, he could have done the same thing as Shepard, he just wasn't there at the time.

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401 Kill wrote...
Control is not possible, I just posted my opinion as to why I believe this, here it is: 

 Shepard: "So, The Illusive Man was right after all."

Child: "Correct, but he could have never taken control, because we already controlled him."

Shepard cannot control the Reapers because just before that TIM was controlling Shepard and made Shepard shoot Anderson. If TIM controlled Shepard, and the Reapers controlled TIM than effectively, the Reapers controlled Shepard. (Or they are at least trying to but Shepard is resisting) Now, knowing this can there be any logical reason as to how Shepard can now control the Reapers. And it sure as hell better not be "Because the Catalyst aka the creator and leader of the Reapers said so". It is not possible, you cannot control the Reapers.

Everything is possible, especially in a video game with FTL travel and biotic magic.

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Xilizhra wrote...

I just wanted to apologize. I may not agree with everything here, but there are some hives of such bitter, spiteful petulance on the BSN that I feel like I need a shower just by spending a few minutes in the place, and seeing some variety of optimism for the future is always better, even if it's on a view I disagree with. Please, carry on.

Well, that's mighty nice of you.  I think we might be able to add you to the list of reasonable literalists!  Sweet!  It's been awhile since we've added anyone to that list. <_<  Just, you know, try to keep an open mind.  Closed minds are how (flame) wars start.

Edit: Or at least, if not the list of reasonable literalists, then the list of reasonable non-IT Hallucinationists.  The rest of my post still stands.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 octobre 2012 - 03:17 .