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[CmdrShep80]

And this in mind too:

The "undersides" of the Wards between the inhabited superstructures and impenetrable outer hull are called the Foundations. These dangerous areas are filled with life support systems and power plants. Officially, only the keepers are allowed in the Foundations. In reality, the Foundations are the slums of the Citadel, home to criminals, minorities, transients, and the occasional "stateless" exiles. Some stay in the Foundations of their own will. Others end up there when the opportunities they sought in the Citadel do not come.

The asari were the first contemporary race to achieve space-flight and discover the mass relays. When they found the Citadel in around 580 BCE, the asari also encountered the keepers, whose mute assistance enabled them to quickly settle on the station and learn how to operate its systems

Basically I'm suggesting that there is a slight possibility that the scientists from Ilos could have survived all these centuries in stasis pods because we actually don't know everything about the citadel yet. A lot of it is still hidden and/or unexplored

[CmdrShep80]

So I suppose all 3 earlier posts are trying to support Master's original assertion that there may be something still on the Citadel. There was a window between when the Reapers left, the scientist from Ilos arriving, and from when the Asari discovered the Citadel for the Protheans to have done massive damage to the citadel via things like timed charges after going in stastis so the keepers couldn't prevent them from doing damage. They might have thought that they succeeded but instead the keepers rebuilt the majority of the damaged citadel hence the nebula of damaged microscopic citadel parts. And even now in the ME 1 - ME 3 timeframe the citadel could still have repairs being done from centuries before even though its basically livable.

[BatmanTurian]

I can't buy this stuff. Sorry

[CmdrShep80]

Then again from a simple perspective maybe the Protheans caused a change with their backpack that prevents communication or they changed their genetic code to prevent them from speaking?

[CmdrShep80]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I can't buy this stuff. Sorry

eh I tried lol

[401 Kill]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I can't buy this stuff. Sorry

eh I tried lol

At least you've revived the thread, let's hope it keeps it's speed .

[byne]

Where are my RvB guys when I need to talk about tonight's awesome new episode?

[401 Kill]

byne wrote...

Where are my RvB guys when I need to talk about tonight's awesome new episode?

You're a sponsor and get to watch new episodes earlier right? Maybe they are watching the new episode right now.

[CmdrShep80]

demersel wrote...

But that is it! That's why! The protheans screwed up the signal!!! Reapers did not control the keepers any more - so they do what? turn the race they have at hand in the moment into new servants, make them build a reaper building factory and start building a reaper!

And before you ask, why they couldn't move the the citadel - that's it! They just couldn't! It was closed down, with just a few remaining protheans inside (the ones who screwed the signal) - and they could not do anything about it) or they could not close it down to make it secure enough. For all we know they were in the process of buildong a reper there and those protheans sabotaged it - destroyd that reaper (strangly no one ever ask what is that cloud that the citadel is insode of, most of our cycle)

I tries to answer the cloud thing in my last few posts. i just noticed in my last postings that the Reapers had left the galaxy BEFORE the Prothean scientists from Ilos came to the citadel. So what you're talking about would be that the Reapers are doing what you said but for the current galactic cycle. That's probably why the Omega 4 relay lead to a base that could be the Reaper's attempt to make a new Citadel?

[byne]

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

Where are my RvB guys when I need to talk about tonight's awesome new episode?

You're a sponsor and get to watch new episodes earlier right? Maybe they are watching the new episode right now.

Thats true. Still, if they are just regular non-paying members, they got the episode like half an hour ago.

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I can't buy this stuff. Sorry

eh I tried lol

At least you've revived the thread, let's hope it keeps it's speed .

yay! 

[BleedingUranium]

401 Kill wrote...

byne wrote...

Where are my RvB guys when I need to talk about tonight's awesome new episode?

You're a sponsor and get to watch new episodes earlier right? Maybe they are watching the new episode right now.

It came out half an hour ago for us normal members, thanks for reminding me! We'll go watch it now

[BleedingUranium]

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Where are my RvB guys when I need to talk about tonight's awesome new episode?

Wow it seems like everyone hated each other in that episode! It was a real free for all. So that was the freelancer break in? It would probably hurt to get 2 AIs removed from you... and how the hell did Carolina survive that fall?

[Xilizhra]

So, then. I imagine that in IT, Shepard will be able to realize that she's indoctrinated and make the final choice based on that? Is this within your parameters?

[BansheeOwnage]

Xilizhra wrote...

So, then. I imagine that in IT, Shepard will be able to realize that she's indoctrinated and make the final choice based on that? Is this within your parameters?

What do you mean the "final choice"? Do you mean to kill herself like Saren/TIM? Or do you mean the ABC(D) end?

[Xilizhra]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, then. I imagine that in IT, Shepard will be able to realize that she's indoctrinated and make the final choice based on that? Is this within your parameters?

What do you mean the "final choice"? Do you mean to kill herself like Saren/TIM? Or do you mean the ABC(D) end?

Assuming IT is true, my Shepard would choose Destroy based not on any philosophical reasons, but purely to leave indoctrination. Would your IT support this?

[BansheeOwnage]

masster blaster wrote...

No Banshee will loose to the Collectors. The Collectors now how to ambush you, and they can fly. Plus Harbinger will assume Control of the Collector, and kick the banshees ***.

Also what is the posibility of the scientist Protheans still on the Citadel, but instasis. Think about the Keeper tunnels, what if they are in the tunnels just a sleep, until somebody finds them Maybe the Citadel dlc can shed some light, or something else the Prothean Scientist were creating deep in the keeper tunnels.

Crazy and extremely unlikely. But it is possible considering the protheans sabotaged the keeper signal...

[Davik Kang]

Xilizhra wrote...
So, then. I imagine that in IT, Shepard will be able to realize that she's indoctrinated and make the final choice based on that? Is this within your parameters?

That's the point of IT.  Remember in IT she's still asleep though.  The other choices (Con Syn, maybe Ref) reflect failure to notice that she's indoctrinated.  Or perhaps that she agrees with them anyway.  Which is hard to reconcile with the idea of indoctrination.  The idea of indoctrination being that you're being convinced of something that isn't true by tricks.

I suppose you could indoctrinate someone to believe something that is in fact true, but... oh boy... I'm outta here

Modifié par Davik Kang, 16 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Xilizhra wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

So, then. I imagine that in IT, Shepard will be able to realize that she's indoctrinated and make the final choice based on that? Is this within your parameters?

What do you mean the "final choice"? Do you mean to kill herself like Saren/TIM? Or do you mean the ABC(D) end?

Assuming IT is true, my Shepard would choose Destroy based not on any philosophical reasons, but purely to leave indoctrination. Would your IT support this?

No, because the whole point of the hallucination is that it seems (fairly) real. Like how you only realized you were dreaming when you wake up. (So much foreshadowing). Everything seems normal in the dream. You would pick destroy simply because control and synthesis are compromises with the reapers, and refuse is (as of now) doing nothing.

[Davik Kang]

Xilizhra wrote...
Assuming IT is true, my Shepard would choose Destroy based not on any philosophical reasons, but purely to leave indoctrination. Would your IT support this?

That's what IT is.  

Unless you mean that you'd then choose something else when you wake up...

[definitely leaving now]

[Xilizhra]

That's the point of IT. Remember in IT she's still asleep though. The other choices (Con Syn, maybe Ref) reflect failure to notice that she's indoctrinated. Or perhaps that she agrees with them anyway. Which is hard to reconcile with the idea of indoctrination. The idea of indoctrination being that you're being convinced of somehting that isn't true by tricks.

I agree with Control and Synthesis more than I do Destroy by nature anyway, without indoctrination being required.

No, because the whole point of the hallucination is that it seems (fairly) real. Like how you only realized you were dreaming when you wake up. (So much foreshadowing). Everything seems normal in the dream. You would pick destroy simply because control and synthesis are compromises with the reapers, and refuse is (as of now) doing nothing.

Then I suppose my theory will be different, because I would never in ten thousand years pick Destroy on its own "merits." I'll find a way for Shepard to prove her own indoctrination to herself.

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Assuming IT is true, my Shepard would choose Destroy based not on any philosophical reasons, but purely to leave indoctrination. Would your IT support this?

That's what IT is.  

Unless you mean that you'd then choose something else when you wake up...

[definitely leaving now]

It's not what IT is. Sorry.

[BansheeOwnage]

Xilizhra wrote...

Then I suppose my theory will be different, because I would never in ten thousand years pick Destroy on its own "merits." I'll find a way for Shepard to prove her own indoctrination to herself.

So be it.

The outcome is inevitable.

You will succumb and ascend. Or you will be annihilated.

You will be raised to a new existence.


We will bring your species into harmony with our own.

Preserve Xilizhra's body if possible...

[Xilizhra]

Ah, but you cannot control my reasons for choosing my path. It is not within your power to say that I cannot realize my own indoctrination.