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[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Xilizhra wrote...

You have an indoctrination cure? Tell me more! This could be really useful!

Well, the Thorian's kind of dead, but there's that, plus Leviathan enthrallment; indoctrination can, at the very least, be overridden, and if we study that, we may find new ways to actually cure it. And, of course, the Crucible can undo the Catalyst's indoctrination of the Reapers.

Thorian does not cure Indoctrination, only give the person the strength to resist by drawing strength from others linked to it. If everyone in such a link is Indoctrinated it wouldnt do a thing.

Leviathan...yeah replace one mind control with another, great.

Also if anything you are Indoctrinating the Reapers under Synthesis/Control litteral ending as you either take over the catalysts place or change the Reapers (without their consent btwy since you are so keen they are completely innocent) minds and bodies. Aka according to Jack and Samara you just killed them.

[demersel]

AresKeith wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Also, did Xil just used the "they were just following orders" excuse for the reapers?

Yes, and the auto-censoring is odd.

Sovereign and Harbinger says otherwise to the "just following orders" excuse lol

I know. I just could not believe that it is actually used as an argument in a videogame's plot debate...

[Xilizhra]

Please stop bouncing between IT and literal. This is the IT thread, stick to that. In IT, we still don't know what the Crucible does. Other that sending out massive amounts of energy and being related to dark energy that is.

Then why do you keep talking about ending implications as if they matter? In IT, none of that even happens.

Xil, your brain is really ****ed up. You really need to sort it out a bit to live in the real world.

I live well enough, I think.

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

demersel wrote...

Xil, your brain is really ****ed up. You really need to sort it out a bit to live in the real world.

Wait... what brain?

Top twice in a row!

You know...that brain thingy.. that is inside a human's head and does all the thinking. As of now - it is as if it isn't even there. 

[masster blaster]

Actually 1992. If all the colonsit die, then Shiala would become fully Indoctrinated. The only reason why she isn't is because of the colonist. If they died She will become one with the Reapers.

[demersel]

Xilizhra wrote...

Xil, your brain is really ****ed up. You really need to sort it out a bit to live in the real world.

I live well enough, I think.

How can you tell, when you're that ****ed up? 

[byne]

Is it really random insult time? Thats my least favorite time.

[FreddyCast]

BleedingUranium wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

they are willing to die in order to stop the Reapers, but onyl if they decide to sacrifice themselves, NOT let someone else do it for them without their consent. Genocide is Genocide. You can't reason your way out of that.
And yes I would still not choose the Destroy option if it meant that I had to kill my friends by my own hands just to destroy the Reapers. What did Shepard say? "WE FIGHT or we die". Choosing the Destroy option (or the Reaper "turn off" switch) means you don't fight, instead you COMPROMISE with the Reapers. Which is what you and Banshee said yourselves.

What the ****, that's like wrong in eight different ways!

They already decided they'd be willing to sacrfice themselves before the final battle! Every single individual in the entire fleet at Earth is willing to sacrifice themselves if need be. Based you your logic, the Captain of a ship can't choose to sacrifice his own ship and crew in a particular situation unless he asks each crew member if they're okay with dying for whatever they're sacrificing the ship for

Not genocide.

No compromise.

Oh boy,
The crew members of a ship know what they are signing up to. If there is no other choice, but to kamikaze themselves towards the enemy, then the Captain is right to make the command to sacrifice themselves and all crew members would know and understand his decision.
In EC DLC, you HAVE A CHOICE. Why do you want to compromise with the Godbrat on any of the decisions he gives you if you have the choice to refuse him. You guys know it's wrong, yet your only excuse is "Victory at any and all costs". I would agree, if that stament also meant that those making those tough decisions affect themselves and not others. You can't take away another's life without his consent just b/c you believe it will end the threat. Well then, kiss your humanity goodbye.

[Bill Casey]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Aka according to Jack and Samara you just killed them.

Also according to Thane, Kasumi, Jacob, Miranda and Grunt...

[BansheeOwnage]

Xilizhra wrote...

You have an indoctrination cure? Tell me more! This could be really useful!

Well, the Thorian's kind of dead, but there's that, plus Leviathan enthrallment; indoctrination can, at the very least, be overridden, and if we study that, we may find new ways to actually cure it. And, of course, the Crucible can undo the Catalyst's indoctrination of the Reapers.

Oh! I see now! You're saying that we should infect the entire galaxy with spores from a parasitic plant, kill the plant (how? if we're all infected) then we will all be safe from indoctrination! And as a bonus, we will all be connected, even if people don't want to be! That reminds me of something else!

Yes, this is from the synthesis ending.

[BleedingUranium]

Xilizhra wrote...

Please stop bouncing between IT and literal. This is the IT thread, stick to that. In IT, we still don't know what the Crucible does. Other that sending out massive amounts of energy and being related to dark energy that is.

Then why do you keep talking about ending implications as if they matter? In IT, none of that even happens.

Xil, your brain is really ****ed up. You really need to sort it out a bit to live in the real world.

I live well enough, I think.

Right, but what's important is that Shepard thinks they will happen. The consequences aren't real, but everything seems real to Shepard. To Shepard, he really is choosing to sacrifice the Geth and EDI. All that's at steak stake is Shepard's willingness to do what is necessary.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

Is it really random insult time? Thats my least favorite time.

No it's not random. It's very conсrete and specific. 

[masster blaster]

So your point is Xil forget what everyone non Indoctrinated told me, but listen to a nine year old boy that is the leader of the Reapers, that is taking on the dead boys apperence, and agree to his BS work/ logic. Saren : " We Organics are driven by our emotions, instead of logic." I say if we agreed to logic, then Hackett is also right. Dead Reapers is hiw we win this war.

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Aka according to Jack and Samara you just killed them.

Also according to Thane, Kasumi, Jacob, Miranda and Grunt...

Should I bump my post from last page?

[BansheeOwnage]

FreddyCast wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

they are willing to die in order to stop the Reapers, but onyl if they decide to sacrifice themselves, NOT let someone else do it for them without their consent. Genocide is Genocide. You can't reason your way out of that.
And yes I would still not choose the Destroy option if it meant that I had to kill my friends by my own hands just to destroy the Reapers. What did Shepard say? "WE FIGHT or we die". Choosing the Destroy option (or the Reaper "turn off" switch) means you don't fight, instead you COMPROMISE with the Reapers. Which is what you and Banshee said yourselves.

What the ****, that's like wrong in eight different ways!

They already decided they'd be willing to sacrfice themselves before the final battle! Every single individual in the entire fleet at Earth is willing to sacrifice themselves if need be. Based you your logic, the Captain of a ship can't choose to sacrifice his own ship and crew in a particular situation unless he asks each crew member if they're okay with dying for whatever they're sacrificing the ship for

Not genocide.

No compromise.

Oh boy,
The crew members of a ship know what they are signing up to. If there is no other choice, but to kamikaze themselves towards the enemy, then the Captain is right to make the command to sacrifice themselves and all crew members would know and understand his decision.

There is no difference here. EDI is a Normandy crewmember. The geth are interlinked and reached the consensus that they would die to kill the reapers...

[BleedingUranium]

FreddyCast wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

they are willing to die in order to stop the Reapers, but onyl if they decide to sacrifice themselves, NOT let someone else do it for them without their consent. Genocide is Genocide. You can't reason your way out of that.
And yes I would still not choose the Destroy option if it meant that I had to kill my friends by my own hands just to destroy the Reapers. What did Shepard say? "WE FIGHT or we die". Choosing the Destroy option (or the Reaper "turn off" switch) means you don't fight, instead you COMPROMISE with the Reapers. Which is what you and Banshee said yourselves.

What the ****, that's like wrong in eight different ways!

They already decided they'd be willing to sacrfice themselves before the final battle! Every single individual in the entire fleet at Earth is willing to sacrifice themselves if need be. Based you your logic, the Captain of a ship can't choose to sacrifice his own ship and crew in a particular situation unless he asks each crew member if they're okay with dying for whatever they're sacrificing the ship for

Not genocide.

No compromise.

Oh boy,
The crew members of a ship know what they are signing up to. If there is no other choice, but to kamikaze themselves towards the enemy, then the Captain is right to make the command to sacrifice themselves and all crew members would know and understand his decision.
In EC DLC, you HAVE A CHOICE. Why do you want to compromise with the Godbrat on any of the decisions he gives you if you have the choice to refuse him. You guys know it's wrong, yet your only excuse is "Victory at any and all costs". I would agree, if that stament also meant that those making those tough decisions affect themselves and not others. You can't take away another's life without his consent just b/c you believe it will end the threat. Well then, kiss your humanity goodbye.

The ship example is exactly the same in IT, because there is no choice, there are only choices in literal. Choosing destroy is not a compromise because the option has to be there, the kid didn't put it there. What you're doing in the decision chamber is choosing Shepard's goals, basically, and since his current one is to destroy the Reapers, it has to be there.

In IT the whole room is a metaphor for whether to accept the Reapers' logic or not, the kid can't make Destroy not be there. He can make it sound like a bad idea, but he can't make it go away.

[Xilizhra]

In IT the whole room is a metaphor for whether to accept the Reapers' logic or not, the kid can't make Destroy not be there. He can make it sound like a bad idea, but he can't make it go away.

Actually, it can make the option go away, under IT, if you have low EMS and kept the Collector base. Then, all there'll be is Control.

[masster blaster]

Freddy, you thinking Literaly, not IT. " Yes people will die, but we will fight you non the less. We will fight. We will sacrifce, and we will find a way." Wars have dirty little secrets Freddy, I bet you didn't know that when America droped that Atomic bome, they knew what was going to happen, but people died just to stop a war.

Yes people will die, but what are they dying for. Heros in the past died so others can live, and sometimes it happence. We can't save everyone because if we could, then the world will be a nice place to live, but it's not. That's only if you think Literaly Freddy.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm going now, but I'll leave you with this.

[Xilizhra]

Yes people will die, but what are they dying for. Heros in the past died so others can live, and sometimes it happence. We can't save everyone because if we could, then the world will be a nice place to live, but it's not. That's only if you think Literaly Freddy.

Actually, the only way to not be able to save everyone is through literalism; in IT, at least by default, there are no actual sacrifices, just the illusion of one.

[masster blaster]

Xil save the base, and Reaper gain a large foothold in Shepard's mind.

[Xilizhra]

Also, you do realize that's just a big smiley face, yes?

[BleedingUranium]

Xilizhra wrote...

In IT the whole room is a metaphor for whether to accept the Reapers' logic or not, the kid can't make Destroy not be there. He can make it sound like a bad idea, but he can't make it go away.

Actually, it can make the option go away, under IT, if you have low EMS and kept the Collector base. Then, all there'll be is Control.

While that is a good point, when you think about it, it makes sense: A Shepard who chose to save the base is in the Control mindset already, so in that case the kid can't get rid of the Control option.