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[dorktainian]

masster blaster wrote...

Dorktain, so it's like for mp we get the ending for free, and in sp dlc we have to buy their dlc to add more to it to wake up, or build a brigger amry incase the Crucible is a trap? Or am I missing something?

ok.  tis only a theory but.

no

every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  the real ending would be multiplayer (in support of shep) .it would begin there after his final dream sequence imo.  Shep is indoctrinated - and we play along (alongside) an already indoctrinated shep - watch his actions as we kick reaper ass and proceed to actually end the war.  This leads up to his breath in the rubble as he finally breaks free of the indoctrination.

guarantees EA get their non multiplayer peeps  interested.

He is then reunited with his surviving crewmates.

that'd work.  My only worry would be if this is the case we would (if the theory is correct - and it 99% isnt) have to pay big bucks for it.



good idea eh?  I should be a writer......  

Modifié par dorktainian, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:17 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Hello friends!

We are compiling a list of IT-related quotes in the IT group.

Two things:

1. We need more quotes! So, if you have any that aren't listed, please submit them there.
2. Some of the quotes that were submitted don't state who said it. If you know who said these, please tell me in that thread and I will add the author.

Also, if you see any faults, or can provide more meaningful context for these quotes, please let me know.

I'm trying to keep it all in that thread, so I don't have to go digging through all the pages of this thread to see if I missed anything.

Thanks in advance, and thanks to all of you who already contributed. Keep them coming!

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:33 .

[Davik Kang]

dorktainian wrote...
every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  

Are there any theories supporting the idea that everything from the Cerberus base is a dream?

Modifié par Davik Kang, 17 octobre 2012 - 01:58 .

[Ghrelt]

Davik Kang wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  

Are there any theories supporting the idea that everything from the Cerberus base is a dream?

So the Indoctrination attempt takes place right next to the Proto Reaper?  Like all they have to do is talk Shepard into it and s/he becomes the consciousness of the new reaper?  Makes a very creepy amount of sense.

[Xilizhra]

and overall sunshine-and-bunnies condescending tone of it.

Why is this a problem exactly?

[smokingotter1]

dorktainian wrote...
every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  

The reason for that is mainly after Cerberus you can't go anywhere except Earth. Also as a proponent of the modular hypothesis every single player DLC will add to the ending of ME3. Like I said before the crucible is an analogy for the Mass Effect 3 ending, each cycle adds to the crucible, each DLC adds to the ending, in both cases we don't know what the end result is.... it is something though, has to be.

[Xilizhra]

it is something though, has to be.

Out of curiosity, why?

[Humakt83]

TheWill wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Anderson states "I followed you to the beam."
So no, he didn't got there before Shepard.

it could easily have been harbingers words...  your taking things at face value...

also.. wasnt it anderson who contacted shepard when he arrives on the citadel...?
how would anderson have known that shepard used the beam...? possible answer.....he didnt... it is harbinger manipulating shepard... harbinger uses shepard as a tool to stop anderson from activating the station...

So you propose that "Anderson" we meet in the Citadel is not the same "Anderson" we hear from the radio.

Well, that's the only way Anderson could be before you in the Citadel if the whole thing is not dream.

[dorktainian]

Davik Kang wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  

Are there any theories supporting the idea that everything from the Cerberus base is a dream?

no

but you are right next to a REAPER!!!!

[Restrider]

Okay, some totally random thoughts I had that do not have necessarily something to do with IT:

1. We do not know where Morinth hides in ME 3, but what if she was on Omega and we would be able to save her?
I know many killed her in ME 2, but compare this to Jack's fate in ME 3, if you refuse to go to Grissom Acadamy. Jack is being integrated and fights against you as a Phantom on Chronos Station (afaik). Now, if you could save Morinth on Omega from being captured by Reapers or their agents, you'll gain her as an asset and you won't fight her on Earth as a Banshee. Does anyone else see these parallels and the potential?
I am aware that this scenario is highly unlikely, since Morinth is one of the most disliked characters in the game and a chance to give her character more screentime is not on a very high spot on BW to-do list.

2. This is more IT related. Did anyone of you wonder, why all squadmates are on the Normandy at the end of the game?
I mean, the obvious inconsistency was that the two selected squadmates teleported to the Normandy in the original endings. This has been addressed with the extended cut (though the pick-up would've been way more realistic using Steve and a shuttle), but this does not explain how the rest of the squadmates made it to the Normandy!
Shouldn't Garrus be fighting together with the Turians?
Shouldn't Ashley be fighting together with some marines or spectres?
Shouldn't Kaidan be leading the biotic squad?
Shouldn't Tali be coordinating the Geth and Quarians?
Shouldn't Liara be commanding her wet squads and kill teams or assisting somehow with the Crucible and tech/recon in general?
Shouldn't Vega be fighting in an N7 squad?
Shouldn't Javik be fullfilling his fate as avatar of vengence?
Shouldn't EDI's mobile platform be assisting in tech/recon?

No, two of them are with Shepard and it is explained how those two are picked up by the Normandy. The rest should still be on Earth fighting.

[Humakt83]

Davik Kang wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
every game ends and throws you back to TIMs base.  

Are there any theories supporting the idea that everything from the Cerberus base is a dream?

There are couple things that suggests at the possibility of it (mainly by being rather weird).

Third dream is the most vivid and ends rather abruptly with Shepard burning.

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Room where you fight Cerberus Engineers is colored red, the room where you find video logs about Kai Leng are green (he likely represents Synthesis, "We evolve or we die! Those are the options!"), and finally, the blue room where you find the remains of the Human Reaper.

The remains of the same Human Reaper seems to follow you, as noted by squadmates. There's a red 'eye'.

As a sidenote there is a smiley face on one of the red pillars on the room where you fight the engineers.

Sudden capture of the Citadel by Illusive Man.

Kai Leng survives the encounter with Shepard. You can see that he moves after Shepard leaves.

It does not need its own theory though.

Modifié par Humakt83, 17 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Humakt83 wrote...

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Likely Space Stations has security mesaures in place that creates a containment field when the hull is breached to prevent the above.

[Humakt83]

There's a lot of quotes in this video: There is only one choice

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Likely Space Stations has security mesaures in place that creates a containment field when the hull is breached to prevent the above.

Yeah, it is a possibility I've considered.

[dorktainian]

also.... anyone else find it weird edi goes with you? Also she knows exactly whats on the monitors shep comes across? She insists you cannot get past the lockdown and routes you straight to where the human reaper remains are. Also when you 'beat' kai leng, none of your other party members react to him nearly (coming up from behind) killing you - and indeed dont seem at all bothered when you killl him (even tho he's moving around on the floor after you 'stab' him with your omni-torch)

yikes.....

Modifié par dorktainian, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:10 .

[TheWill]

I know my idea about an indoctrinated shep following anderson up and stopping him isnt fully explained but i just considered it then played the last scenes and it just kind of fitted... i suggest trying it for yourself... it was kind of creepy thinking that i was being manipulated into killing anderson and then tricked into destroying the crucible by blowing up the power conduit...

the tricky bit is wrapping your head around the idea of what is real and what isnt with an indoctrination theory... but i suppose thats the point....

[TheWill]

Humakt83 wrote...

There's a lot of quotes in this video: There is only one choice

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Likely Space Stations has security mesaures in place that creates a containment field when the hull is breached to prevent the above.

Yeah, it is a possibility I've considered.

every other containment shield we have ever seen in game has obvious colouring indicating its a shield... its like putting tape on your patio door windows so you know if its open or closed to stop people banging into it... if theres a shield we should see it...

[KyreneZA]

So, any new IT related finds? And, no Collectors in Omega DLC? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

TheWill wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

There's a lot of quotes in this video: There is only one choice

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Likely Space Stations has security mesaures in place that creates a containment field when the hull is breached to prevent the above.

Yeah, it is a possibility I've considered.

every other containment shield we have ever seen in game has obvious colouring indicating its a shield... its like putting tape on your patio door windows so you know if its open or closed to stop people banging into it... if theres a shield we should see it...

Not necesarily. The best example is relaly the shields used by every soldier as they are practically invisible until you are struck by a bullet or they in other ways get interacted with. It is not unfeasible to think some might use a similar shield type.

Also as far as I remember the shield from the Leviathan mission on that Asteroid is nigh invisible except for the edges of it (likely near the emitters) and it also lights up when something strikes it.

Though purely from a logical standpoint a containment shield would probably be colored in some distinct way to show survivors on board the damaged vessel where the safety zone goes.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 17 octobre 2012 - 03:18 .

[Davik Kang]

 

Humakt83 wrote...
So you propose that "Anderson" we meet in the Citadel is not the same "Anderson" we hear from the radio.

Well, that's the only way Anderson could be before you in the Citadel if the whole thing is not dream.

Hmm... so Anderson could have been killed when the mic cuts out... or it's just a suggestion put in your mind that Anderson's there when he isn't... brain melting...

Humakt83 wrote...

There are couple things that suggests at the possibility of it (mainly by being rather weird). 

Third dream is the most vivid and ends rather abruptly with Shepard burning.

There is a gaping hole to the space in the Cerberus base (caused by launching that fighter supposedly) that somehow does not vacuum everything to space.

Room where you fight Cerberus Engineers is colored red, the room where you find video logs about Kai Leng are green (he likely represents Synthesis, "We evolve or we die! Those are the options!"), and finally, the blue room where you find the remains of the Human Reaper.

The remains of the same Human Reaper seems to follow you, as noted by squadmates. There's a red 'eye'.

As a sidenote there is a smiley face on one of the red pillars on the room where you fight the engineers.

Sudden capture of the Citadel by Illusive Man.

Kai Leng survives the encounter with Shepard. You can see that he moves after Shepard leaves.

It does not need its own theory though.

dorktainian wrote...

also.... anyone else find it weird edi goes with you? Also she knows exactly whats on the monitors shep comes across? She insists you cannot get past the lockdown and routes you straight to where the human reaper remains are. Also when you 'beat' kai leng, none of your other party members react to him nearly (coming up from behind) killing you - and indeed dont seem at all bothered when you killl him (even tho he's moving around on the floor after you 'stab' him with your omni-torch)

yikes.....

Thanks for this.  So imagine if Traynor was the traitor!!  She suddenly decides where the Cerberus base is out of nowhere.  Imagine if she was just luring you into a trap!  And that there's another way to finish the game, by not going there!  Possibilities, possibilities...

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Also TSA was there anything in the weapons dlc ( the new one) about Omega script, new dlc, or new hints that point to IT?

It appears BW have learned their lesson and stopped putting whole script files in every new DLC 

Proves they listen to their fans.

Modifié par paxxton, 17 octobre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Davik Kang]

Davik Kang wrote...
Thanks for this.  So imagine if Traynor was the traitor!!  She suddenly decides where the Cerberus base is out of nowhere.  Imagine if she was just luring you into a trap!  And that there's another way to finish the game, by not going there!  Possibilities, possibilities...

Also Traynor plays chess with you, which is a classic bad guy thing to do against the good guy!  Especially if they're good at chess!  

Does anyone know if there's anything else you can do instead of going to the Cerberus base?  Like go to the Citadel maybe?  The description of the supposed Cerberus base was really weird wasn't it?  Almost like a warning?  I swear it said something about other ships recently docking there or something...

[Xilizhra]

Davik Kang wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
Thanks for this.  So imagine if Traynor was the traitor!!  She suddenly decides where the Cerberus base is out of nowhere.  Imagine if she was just luring you into a trap!  And that there's another way to finish the game, by not going there!  Possibilities, possibilities...

Also Traynor plays chess with you, which is a classic bad guy thing to do against the good guy!  Especially if they're good at chess!  

Does anyone know if there's anything else you can do instead of going to the Cerberus base?  Like go to the Citadel maybe?  The description of the supposed Cerberus base was really weird wasn't it?  Almost like a warning?  I swear it said something about other ships recently docking there or something...

You aren't locked in to the mission just by acquiring it. You can go anywhere until you actually arrive at the station.

[Davik Kang]

Xilizhra wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
Thanks for this.  So imagine if Traynor was the traitor!!  She suddenly decides where the Cerberus base is out of nowhere.  Imagine if she was just luring you into a trap!  And that there's another way to finish the game, by not going there!  Possibilities, possibilities...

Also Traynor plays chess with you, which is a classic bad guy thing to do against the good guy!  Especially if they're good at chess!  

Does anyone know if there's anything else you can do instead of going to the Cerberus base?  Like go to the Citadel maybe?  The description of the supposed Cerberus base was really weird wasn't it?  Almost like a warning?  I swear it said something about other ships recently docking there or something...

You aren't locked in to the mission just by acquiring it. You can go anywhere until you actually arrive at the station.

Yes I know... but where else???  Do you see what I'm getting at?

It's prob nothing but I'm firing up ME3 right now...

[Xilizhra]

Yes I know... but where else??? Do you see what I'm getting at?

It's prob nothing but I'm firing up ME3 right now...

Um, if you have an undone N7 mission or something, you can go do that. You can do DLC. Etc.

[Restrider]

Restrider wrote...

As I already mentioned earlier, I wanted to create some kind of IT FAQ. Since I do not really know what the frequently asked questions might be, I skipped that idea and tried to make a list of the ten most important concepts of IT. As you can see I highlighted the general concept and backed it up with additional information. I will try to include links to important posts further backing up the concepts (please post it/pm me if you have links to share). I am still not sure what the last two concepts could be to add to the in-game list. Please post your opinions.
Here is the post with all the polls!

----------The Ten Most Important Concepts Supporting The Indoctrination Theory----------

     
        I) Indoctrination in general :

          1.   Regarding IT, Shepard is in the process of indoctrination and the outcome is decided by the final decision taken.
          2.   The concept of indoctrination is a crucial part throughout the trilogy and nothing new to the player (link 1and 2).
          3.   Rana Thanoptis is an example of how subtle and slow indoctrination can be.
          4.   Shepard knocked out for two days by a Reaper artifact that indoctrinated an entire facility.
          5.   Logs on the derelict Reaper illustrate the reactions of victims of indoctrination.
          6.   Paul Grayson's indoctrination show its effects on someone's mind.
          7.   Harbinger's smacktalk (link 1 and 2).

 
       II) The Breath Scene :

          1.   London rubble.
          2.   Mako in the background.
          3.   Citadel explosion (link 1 and 2).


      III) The Dreams :
         
          1.   Dream sequences and post-beam sequence share the same game mechanics.
          2.   Reality-nonreality transition after beam shot (post-beam, dreams, Geth Consensus).
          3.   Oily shadows and whispering.
          4.   Nightmares are mentioned in the Arrival by subjects being indoctrinated.
          5.   Chambers and Asari having PTSD as comparison between PTSD & Shepard's dreams.


     IV) Leviathan :

          1.   Harbinger/the Reapers perfected enthrallment to indoctrination.
          2.   Enthrallment uses memories of its victim.
          3.   Similarities between Leviathan end and decision chamber.
          4.   Zap sound as a sign to enter/leave virtual reality (link 1 and 2).
          5.   Note the file name of the sixth murder that can be found in Bryson's lab.


     V) The Choices :

          1.   Shepard on his knees happened only during/after some mind control.
          2.   The Guardian is aligned to the Reapers.
          3.   Control and Synthesis being supported by indoctrinated characters.
          4.   A swap in the colours (TIM = Paragon; Anderson = Renegade).
          5.   Huskification during Control/Synthesis vs. Shepard gaining strength while shooting the tubes.
          6.   Guardian losing it when you refuse ("SO BE IT!").
          7.   Decision chamber looks like a dialogue wheel from an aerial view.
          8.   Decision chamber resembling beam scenery (link 1 and 2).
          9.   Ambiguous end dialogue (Control/Synthesis).
        10.   Slide shows in Control/Synthesis/Destroy illustrate future possibilities, not facts that already happened.
        11.   Soldiers in Destroy fighting fiercely while in Control/Synthesis they are losing (note: no cheering in Synthesis).




List of in-game reasons:

 1) The Kid :
   - teleportation in Vancouver
   - opens a door that is marked as locked
   - survives blast
   - not seen by anyone else
   - warning symbols

 2) The Citadel :
   - resembling events of the past
   - Coats dead on the Citadel

 3) Anderson & TIM :
   - how did Anderson follow Shepard?
   - how can Anderson reach the control first?
   - why did no one else follow Anderson?
   - from where did TIM shows up?
   - TIM's scars
   - Anderson addressing Shepard ("They are controlling you!")
   - Shepard being dominated by TIM and thus through him by the Reapers
   - Anderson's wound (link 1 and 2)
   - Reaper horn played in the background (at 1/2 speed)

 4) The Beam Run :
   - Harbinger pin-pointing everyone and everything but Shepard
   - Harbinger not destroying the Normandy
   - Shepard surviving the blast that one-shots Makos and Gunships
   - Harbinger leaving

 5) The Guardian :
   - has the same shape as the kid (extraction of Shepard's memories)
   - speaks with femshep's and broshep's voice
   - Harbinger's line in the MP trailer (link 1 and 2)

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