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[KyreneZA]

estebanus wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Yeah, I don't see how that's unpleasant implications...

Well no Collectors gives less reason to have Harbinger in Omega DLC. That implication is unpleasant, IMO.

We've literally no connections between ME3, the collectors, and Omega. However, we've had plenty foreshadowing about us having to fight Cerberus on Omega.

EDIT: Top!

Well, excuse my wishful thinking for a glimpse of a few in a $15 SP DLC after the Retalliation DLC hype video and Collectors now in (canon) MP. If MP isn't just a training sim like some like to believe, wtf are they even doing in MP?

[estebanus]

Kyrene wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Yeah, I don't see how that's unpleasant implications...

Well no Collectors gives less reason to have Harbinger in Omega DLC. That implication is unpleasant, IMO.

We've literally no connections between ME3, the collectors, and Omega. However, we've had plenty foreshadowing about us having to fight Cerberus on Omega.

EDIT: Top!

Well, excuse my wishful thinking for a glimpse of a few in a $15 SP DLC after the Retalliation DLC hype video and Collectors now in (canon) MP. If MP isn't just a training sim like some like to believe, wtf are they even doing in MP?

Wishful thinking? Yeah, I'd call it that.

Look, it just doesn't make sense, that's all. I've never said it wouldn't make sense to see them in any other DLC, but I'm saying it wouldn't make sense to see them on Omega, and you know why?

Because Omega belongs to Cerberus, and Cerberus is still fighting the reapers.

This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but Cerberus conquered Omega, not the collectors. In fact, the comic series "Mass Effect: Invasion" covers this quite thoroughly.

You're not entitled to seeing collectors in anything that has to do with the SP campaign. No one has ever told you that they'd appear there. They are an MP only enemy.

[Dwailing]

What's new all?

[BatmanTurian]

plfranke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

plfranke wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I think it's because they feel you guys are living in delusion, and that you giving credit to something that is terrible as if it's a grand piece of writing (and even if IT is true, whether or not it's good writing is still up for debate) is insulting.

It's still stupid to care that much about a video game interpretation.

One could say the same thing about you posting on this thread every day.

Well, you no longer believe this stuff by your own admission, so me discussing it is less stupid than you coming in here.

You're too quick to dismiss things as "stupid" without thinking about actual reasons that people are doing things. If you made more of an effort, you would understand it more. I like many of the people on this thread, that's why I came. I saw a post I could add to, that's why I posted. However, I guess that's just too stupid by your standards.

I'm just stating facts as they are. You implied I was stupid by talking about it in this thread after I said other people were stupid for trying to halt discussion by insults. Therefore, you technically insulted me first. Don't try to turn it around on me.
I know the reasons and Thisoneispunny is right about them. It is nothing but childish blather lashing out at us since they can't talk directly to Bioware. Again, it's stupid.

lol I wasn't calling you stupid. I was saying that putting forth that argument would make everyone here stupid, to make you see that it didn't make any sense.

Well, that is false equivalence.

[Bill Casey]

I could use opinions on this...

Bill Casey wrote...

Rana Thanoptis Quotes:



"You think the indoctrination only effects prisoners? Sooner or later, Saren will want to dissect my brain too."

"It's that ship. Sovereign. It emits some kind of signal. Undetectable, but it's there. I've seen the effects. Saren uses it to influence his followers. To control them. It's called indoctrination. Direct exposure to the signal turns you into a mindless slave, like the Salarian test subjects. But there's collateral damage, too"

"Sovereign's signal is too strong (weird sound effect here) spend too much time near the ship and you feel it, like a tingle at the back of your skull. It's like a whisper you can't quite hear, but you're compelled to do things but you don't know why. You just obey. Eventually, you just stop thinking for yourself. It happens to everyone at the facility. My first test subject was the man I replaced."

"The signal comes from the ship. It makes us obey Saren, but I don't think he controls it. Not exactly. I think... he's scared it might be affecting him. (weird sound effect here) Indoctrination is subtle, by the time the effects become noticeable, it's usually too late."

"Signal's not exactly the right word. There's some kind of energy field emanating from the ship. It changes thought patterns (weird sound effect here) Over time. Days. Maybe a week, it weakens your will. You become easier to manipulate and control, but it's a degenerative condition. There is a balance between control and usefulness. The less freedom a subject maintains, the less capable it becomes."

www.youtube.com/watch

Basically, what is that sound effect?
It's like a swishing sound...

I checked other Rana videos and it happens in the same spots...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 octobre 2012 - 08:57 .

[paxxton]

Strange. Shouldn't the new OP have been announced already?

Modifié par paxxton, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:06 .

[Restrider]

Here is a link to one part of Rana's speech. Ignore the background music - the keyboard organ style music - and concentrate on this weird noise that sounds - surprisingly - like a tingle in the back of your skull, like whispers you can't quite understand.

[Restrider]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I proudly present the results of the last poll. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to take part at the new poll and the survey about your choice at your first playthrough.
I would also like to have you spread the word about these polls to anyone who is interested in this topic.
Also:
Rana Thanoptis and Tela Vasir as squadmates and LI for ME 3!

Modifié par Restrider, 18 octobre 2012 - 10:31 .

[demersel]

Bill Casey wrote...

Rana Thanoptis Quotes:



"You think the indoctrination only effects prisoners? Sooner or later, Saren will want to dissect my brain too."

"It's that ship. Sovereign. It emits some kind of signal. Undetectable, but it's there. I've seen the effects. Saren uses it to influence his followers. To control them. It's called indoctrination. Direct exposure to the signal turns you into a mindless slave, like the Salarian test subjects. But there's collateral damage, too"

"Sovereign's signal is too strong (weird sound effect here) spend too much time near the ship and you feel it, like a tingle at the back of your skull. It's like a whisper you can't quite hear, but you're compelled to do things but you don't know why. You just obey. Eventually, you just stop thinking for yourself. It happens to everyone at the facility. My first test subject was the man I replaced."

"The signal comes from the ship. It makes us obey Saren, but I don't think he controls it. Not exactly. I think... he's scared it might be affecting him. (weird sound effect here) Indoctrination is subtle, by the time the effects become noticeable, it's usually too late."

"Signal's not exactly the right word. There's some kind of energy field emanating from the ship. It changes thought patterns (weird sound effect here) Over time. Days. Maybe a week, it weakens your will. You become easier to manipulate and control, but it's a degenerative condition. There is a balance between control and usefulness. The less freedom a subject maintains, the less capable it becomes."

www.youtube.com/watch

And she open an elevator that leads to testing grounds - open a door for you that leads to a place where subjects get exposed to the effects of indoctrination. why do we need Arrival again???? Rana Thanapsis was not in contact with object rho. In fact the only place she had contactact with the reapers was virmire - and i get the feeling she wasn't there for long. 

We always assume that sovereign was a hologram or something....But there is really no ecqipment there either - just the prothean beacon. What if eve he was not real and just a projection into all our team brain? (since you know - this is the place where you expose subjects to sovereign'd indoctrinating "signal". 

And another thing - color coding - if it is just a projection into you brain than the color is very telling - you see it how your brain interpret it -
In ME1 Sovereign is bright red (danger)
In ME2 however, Harbinger is Yellow. (not so danger any more)
In ME3 - the Guardian is just white, with the option of everything turning blue, or even green. 

The Guardina straight tells you that he is trying to indoctrinate you - ha says - "it is not something that con be...forced...". And what do you know to be such a thing? Indoctrination - it is a slow and carefull process. If you force it - you'll get a mindless drooling drone.

Good job all who picked synthesis - you just gave the reapers green light to your brain. (and in real life too sadly, cause you really got brain damaged over a video game, that is sad)

Modifié par demersel, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:05 .

[Restrider]

Demersel, I think you will like this.
It really supports your assertions that Sovereign is indeed not a hologram, but a projection into our team's minds.

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

Demersel, I think you will like this.
It really supports your assertions that Sovereign is indeed not a hologram, but a projection into our team's minds.

Exactly. I remember this scene well enough - ("you touch my mind" line)

Edit: Rewatched the conversation with Harbinger - Man, Arrival is so EPIC!

Modifié par demersel, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:14 .

[Dwailing]

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:16 .

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Uhm...no?

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Uhm...no?

It's one of those retrospect hint thingies, where the interpretation value is up for the player to decide:
You can either see it literally, or you can see it as a double entendre.

Or, that's my view on this.

[401 Kill]

Restrider wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I proudly present the [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">results of the last poll. ]list[/color][/url] an encourage you to take part at the new poll and the survey about your choice at your first playthrough.
I would also like to have you spread the word about these polls to anyone who is interested in this topic.

Yes! The kid finally won!

[Dwailing]

Well, one thing that's interesting is that if they were sprinkling these hints throughout the previous games, that means indoctrination was planned from as long ago as ME1, which was worked on by Drew as well as Mac. And that would give added significance to his comments about how the endings seem pretty much faithful to the original vision for ME3.

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Uhm...no?

It's one of those retrospect hint thingies, where the interpretation value is up for the player to decide:
You can either see it literally, or you can see it as a double entendre.

Or, that's my view on this.

If anything, it could mean that you are in Sovvy's mind.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Uhm...no?

It's one of those retrospect hint thingies, where the interpretation value is up for the player to decide:
You can either see it literally, or you can see it as a double entendre.

Or, that's my view on this.

If anything, it could mean that you are in Sovvy's mind.

Sovvy: Oh, you touched my tralala.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...
If anything, it could mean that you are in Sovvy's mind.

I think in case of Sovy it DID work BOTH ways! And that was his demise. 

And that really makes you thing what happens to Harbinger if you shoot that tube. And why is he not around to finish the job, when you wake up. 

Fot me, the ending really was a Boss battle. And if you wake up from it, you not only get to live, but you also at least cripple harbinger. 

Modifié par demersel, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

I actually disagree.

The room with the beacon is likely the most private part of the base, a place where only Saren ever sets foot given the value and knowledge contained in the beacon. As such it would make sense for a communicator with Sovereign to be placed there as well. There is even a raised area above the beacon which seems to serve no pupose other than beeing a platform for Saren to stand on while talking to Sovereign.

The one in Arrival however I have only one thing to say about: Who would place a holo communicator in open Space!

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Wait a minute! I just realized! What does Sovvy say? "Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh, you TOUCH MY MIND, fumbling in ignorance." Why didn't I see it sooner?! Doesn't this seem to suggest that Sovvy is in your minds?

Uhm...no?

It's one of those retrospect hint thingies, where the interpretation value is up for the player to decide:
You can either see it literally, or you can see it as a double entendre.

Or, that's my view on this.

If anything, it could mean that you are in Sovvy's mind.

Sovvy: Oh, you touched my tralala.

echo: ding ding dong

[PsiMatrix]

estebanus wrote...

Did you really thinki that we'd be facing collectors in Omega? Really? Because that really makes no sense. Did you even think that we'd be seing the collectors again before that MP DLC was released?

I mean really, big whoop. Look, I'd rather be fighting soviet Spetznaz than Cerberus. We've never killed one of those in the series, have we? Neither have we killed any combine soldiers, or dragons!

Don't Strawman it, it was entirely plausible they'd share resources between the SP and MP campaign. And the standard practice is to deny everything so we'll see when it comes out. If it's a big reveal as part of the story; they obviously want to keep it under wraps as long as possible.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
If anything, it could mean that you are in Sovvy's mind.

I think in case of Sovy it DID work BOTH ways! And that was his demise. 

And that really makes you thing what happens to Harbinger if you shoot that tube. And why is he not around to finish the job, when you wake up. 

Fot me, the ending really was a Boss battle. And if you wake up from it, you not only get to live, but you also at least cripple harbinger. 

Could be. But I want to think that Harbinger has a firewall set up to prevent that from happening. The purpose of the ending should remain to complete the indoctrination of Shepard.

[TSA_383]

Is it just me or is Omega exploding in this photo?

[Dwailing]

Where the heck did you find that picture TSA?

Edit: Top!

Modifié par Dwailing, 17 octobre 2012 - 09:48 .