Ce sujet est ferméNo, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:40
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#35652
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:41
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plfranke wrote...
the paid dlc added 2 lines with the catalyst. The other ending "change" you're referring to expanded on the literal interperetation of the ending, but did nothing for IT. Bioware's stance on this is that the extended cut represents the conclusion to the story. Any additions to this won't change the core of it.BatmanTurian wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
" The end is the ending"
The ending has been changed twice now by a free and then a paid DLC. Your argument is invalid.
Again, they were changed. And you choose to believe people who have lied to us on a consistant basis? Hilarious.
#35653
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:41
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Do you think IT will carry over to mass effect 4 or 3.5?BatmanTurian wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
IT is the ending. Even if we never get anything past the breath scene, there's enough there to spin the gears in any open-minded, intelligent person's head.
#35654
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:42
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plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
Which was already true from the start since we're buying DLC to deepen the story. Argument once again invalid.
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#35655
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:42
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It's not an incomplete game...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
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#35656
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:43
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Nobody can speculate on that with certainty or any credibility at this point. A theory needs information and I don't think we have enough to cover that part yet. Do I personally think so? I honestly don't know.HomesV500 wrote...
Do you think IT will carry over to mass effect 4 or 3.5?BatmanTurian wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
IT is the ending. Even if we never get anything past the breath scene, there's enough there to spin the gears in any open-minded, intelligent person's head.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 17 octobre 2012 - 11:43 .
#35657
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:43
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The game techniquenly would be complete, with the ending as Shepard becoming indoctrinated or not. Though some people may not like it, the final outcome of the Reaper war may be in ME4.plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
#35658
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:44
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plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
#35659
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:44
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Yes it is...Bill Casey wrote...
It's not incomplete...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
#35660
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:45
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Because it would compromise the integrity of their artwork...EpyonX3 wrote...
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
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#35661
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:45
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Something just hit me. A recent conversation in multiplayer with a BioWare employee revealed that a lot of people simply don't grab the DLC's, not even the free ones.
...............there are people out there who are playing ME3 without the Extended Cut.
If i could play Mass Effect without the extended cut - i would - sadly i was t oeager to see what it is, and 'purchased" it - which tied it to my account forerver, without any option to disable it.
I was thinking... isn't it possible to simply remove the DLC?
You'd think that if you reinstalled without the DLC, you'd have the original ending, right?
Or do they force it upon you with a 'necessary update' or something?
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:46
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Or at least bring it out in a timely manner. IT will have no where near the effect if it's revealed in the coming months as it would have if implemented through the baseline game, or even a definitive nod without expansion through the ec.EpyonX3 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
#35663
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:46
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Because it would ruin the surprise just telling to the public hey world the last 10 minutes of the game was just indoctrinaion, it just wouldn't feel as special that way.EpyonX3 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:47
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Mass Effect 3 was sold under the advertisement of being the end of the war. If IT is used to sell dlc and on top of that another game, Bioware will lose even more credibility than they already have through this whole mess.401 Kill wrote...
The game techniquenly would be complete, with the ending as Shepard becoming indoctrinated or not. Though some people may not like it, the final outcome of the Reaper war may be in ME4.plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
#35665
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:47
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EpyonX3 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
Because they're following a 1 year plan to coincide MP with the year taking place in the ME universe during ME3. We haven't even reached the end of the game in MP.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:47
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It's like these people have never watched a David Lynch movie in their life...
#35667
Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:49
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Correct? Maybe. Intentional? UNDENIABLY.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
Wisdom. Truth.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence
= "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:49
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plfranke wrote...
Yes it is...Bill Casey wrote...
It's not incomplete...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
So it was already incomplete and what you said earlier doesn't even matter as an argument. Gotcha.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:50
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plfranke wrote...
Yes it is...Bill Casey wrote...
It's not incomplete...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
Just because you define seeing the Reapers defeated as being required for a complete game does not make it so. Thats like saying anything that ends on a cliffhanger is incomplete. Its complete if the people telling the story decide thats where they want it to end.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:50
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plfranke wrote...
Mass Effect 3 was sold under the advertisement of being the end of the war. If IT is used to sell dlc and on top of that another game, Bioware will lose even more credibility than they already have through this whole mess.401 Kill wrote...
The game techniquenly would be complete, with the ending as Shepard becoming indoctrinated or not. Though some people may not like it, the final outcome of the Reaper war may be in ME4.plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
If someone lied to you on a consistant basis, would you be gullible enough to believe them every time something came out of their mouths?
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:51
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byne wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Yes it is...Bill Casey wrote...
It's not incomplete...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
Just because you define seeing the Reapers defeated as being required for a complete game does not make it so. Thats like saying anything that ends on a cliffhanger is incomplete. Its complete if the people telling the story decide thats where they want it to end.
And that's true too. Good call, byne.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:52
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BatmanTurian wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Outside game evidence such as the community managers, Gamble, and I believe Mac Walters (but I could be wrong) saying that there is no more ending content coming, does not great IT evidence make. There are certain statements that could be taken as cryptic, but it's a tough sale, especially to hardened literalists.Bill Casey wrote...
Outside game evidence indicates they want some people to take it at face value, some people to see what they did there, and they want these people to discuss it in circles until the end of time...plfranke wrote...
Your in game evidence for IT is solid, but outside of the game evidence is overwhelmingly against IT.
In other words "Theories about all things" and "Lots of Speculation from everybody"
Woah I've been a way for a long time!
But I have to agree. Along with the founders leaving the company partly because of negativity from the fan base. If IT was the greatest thing they could ever pull, why not tell the world so that you can end the negaivity?
Because they're following a 1 year plan to coincide MP with the year taking place in the ME universe during ME3. We haven't even reached the end of the game in MP.
So if that was planned, then why not stick it out to the end? They should have expected negative reactions to continue when they were purposely misleading their fan base.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:52
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401 Kill wrote...
The game techniquenly would be complete, with the ending as Shepard becoming indoctrinated or not. Though some people may not like it, the final outcome of the Reaper war may be in ME4.plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
But that would mean Bioware lied about ME3 being the end of Shepard's story
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:53
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blah, plfranke is just trolling us. " I like the people here." Well, that's great but you bring up recycled talking points over and over. It gets old.
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Posté 17 octobre 2012 - 11:53
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lol the meaning of the post is clearly referring to the game if IT is true but never expanded on with future ending content. Are you even interested in discussion? Because, you're just acting pretty childish in all of your responses.BatmanTurian wrote...
plfranke wrote...
Yes it is...Bill Casey wrote...
It's not incomplete...plfranke wrote...
No, but if it's never expanded on with ending content, that would mean you believe Bioware sold an incomplete game.Bill Casey wrote...
IT doesn't need more ending content to be correct or intended...
So it was already incomplete and what you said earlier doesn't even matter as an argument. Gotcha.
