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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Bill Casey

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Interestingly enough, the red room started out in Cooper's dreams and started bleeding into real life...

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Someone on the Mass Effect team is a David Lynch fan?

This explains everything.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Something just hit me. A recent conversation in multiplayer with a BioWare employee revealed that a lot of people simply don't grab the DLC's, not even the free ones.

...............there are people out there who are playing ME3 without the Extended Cut.


If i could play Mass Effect without the extended cut - i would - sadly i was t oeager to see what it is, and 'purchased" it - which tied it to my account forerver, without any option to disable it. 


I was thinking... isn't it possible to simply remove the DLC?

You'd think that if you reinstalled without the DLC, you'd have the original ending, right?

Or do they force it upon you with a 'necessary update' or something?


They force you - it is on auto check, and there is no way to disable any of the DLCs - so if it isn't there when you start Origin - it will dawnload and install on auto. 

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I trust what the batman says. The game it seems, is still going on. I'm of the opinion that a game is finished when all DLC has been released, and while some complain about how all this is going down, I'm rather enjoying seeing the story evolve over time. Paying attention to the things they are posting on other mediums as well, they troll the fanbase with IT style things from time to time (the reaper statue i think it was with saying "anyone else hear that hum") was pretty obvious to me as a poke.

BTW love lynch's work, As a person from Deep River Ontario Mulholland Drive has a special place in my heart. :D

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Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

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Because it would compromise the integrity of their artwork...


Unlikely. Real reason is likely to maintain people's interest in the series by not explaining the ending. That will eventually happen but until then the ending is there to challenge the audience.

But these reasons are kind of the same.  No filmmaker who made an intentionally confusing or controversial ending will come out and explain it.  Not most anyway.  The mystery is part of the work.



That would mean they would stop developing Mass Effect franchise sooner rather than later. I don't see that happening. I'm up for prequels but most people want a sequel. In order to do that they must unveil the mystery eventually.

Modifié par Humakt83, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:20 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

Interestingly enough, the red room started out in Cooper's dreams and started bleeding into real life...


Interestingly enough, the red room (the lodge) is a place where, if you make the wrong decision, an evil spirit will possess you.

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Humakt83 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...
Because it would compromise the integrity of their artwork...


Unlikely. Real reason is likely to maintain people's interest in the series by not explaining the ending. That will eventually happen but until then the ending is there to challenge the audience.

But these reasons are kind of the same.  No filmmaker who made an intentionally confusing or controversial ending will come out and explain it.  Not most anyway.  The mystery is part of the work.



That would mean they would stop developing Mass Effect franchise sooner rather than later. I don't see that happening. I'm up for prequels but most people want a sequel. In order to do that they must unveil the mystery eventually.


Some have speculated that they may continue it centuries into the future so that some form of Synthesis has already happened. IF IT, then it will be Shepard trying to find another way to take down the Reapers or, an alternate (and perversely attractive) option: working for the Reapers.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .


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demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Something just hit me. A recent conversation in multiplayer with a BioWare employee revealed that a lot of people simply don't grab the DLC's, not even the free ones.

...............there are people out there who are playing ME3 without the Extended Cut.


If i could play Mass Effect without the extended cut - i would - sadly i was t oeager to see what it is, and 'purchased" it - which tied it to my account forerver, without any option to disable it. 


I was thinking... isn't it possible to simply remove the DLC?

You'd think that if you reinstalled without the DLC, you'd have the original ending, right?

Or do they force it upon you with a 'necessary update' or something?


They force you - it is on auto check, and there is no way to disable any of the DLCs - so if it isn't there when you start Origin - it will dawnload and install on auto. 



But what if you install the game from disc? (I have it on 360 btw)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:24 .


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senshi420 wrote...

I trust what the batman says.

http://www.youtube.c...2yv8aT0UFc#t=3s Posted Image

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I thought - So, if leviathan is supposed to be a DLC for the first act...Aka before cerberus coup.... Does it mean that some time after Omega will get new MP DLC that adds citadel maps? (and that would be the best time to bring in spectre classes..)

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 I think a lot of people in the IT crowd have forgotten why the IT was even created

IT was created by Bioware.

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BatmanTurian

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Something just hit me. A recent conversation in multiplayer with a BioWare employee revealed that a lot of people simply don't grab the DLC's, not even the free ones.

...............there are people out there who are playing ME3 without the Extended Cut.


If i could play Mass Effect without the extended cut - i would - sadly i was t oeager to see what it is, and 'purchased" it - which tied it to my account forerver, without any option to disable it. 


I was thinking... isn't it possible to simply remove the DLC?

You'd think that if you reinstalled without the DLC, you'd have the original ending, right?

Or do they force it upon you with a 'necessary update' or something?


They force you - it is on auto check, and there is no way to disable any of the DLCs - so if it isn't there when you start Origin - it will dawnload and install on auto. 



But what if you install the game from disc? (I have it on 360 btw)


360 is your standard pc in a fancy box. The same thing or something similar probably happens.

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paxxton wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

I trust what the batman says.

http://www.youtube.c...2yv8aT0UFc#t=3s Posted Image


RRR RRR RRR RRR RRR!

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Something just hit me. A recent conversation in multiplayer with a BioWare employee revealed that a lot of people simply don't grab the DLC's, not even the free ones.

...............there are people out there who are playing ME3 without the Extended Cut.


If i could play Mass Effect without the extended cut - i would - sadly i was t oeager to see what it is, and 'purchased" it - which tied it to my account forerver, without any option to disable it. 


I was thinking... isn't it possible to simply remove the DLC?

You'd think that if you reinstalled without the DLC, you'd have the original ending, right?

Or do they force it upon you with a 'necessary update' or something?


They force you - it is on auto check, and there is no way to disable any of the DLCs - so if it isn't there when you start Origin - it will dawnload and install on auto. 



But what if you install the game from disc? (I have it on 360 btw)


And so? What's the difference? It is still tied to Origin - you cannot launch the game without launching origin first - each time you launch origin it checks whether the content that is tied to your account is up to date. 

I actually spent a lot of time talking to origin support about it - the confimed - there is no way to disable the DLC once it has been purchased - there is no On/Off. It's just that Extended Cut DLC is so unique in a sense that it is an alterative version of the game, and not some addition - so once you have extended cut - the original is forever lost for you. Which is very sad. Even extended cuts on DVDs almost always offer you the option to watch the original theatrical version. Alas, the Extended Cut is more like the new version of the Original StarWars Trilogy - once it is out and changes has been made - good luck finding a version of the movie where Han did shoot first, and Anakin's ghost at the end of Return of the Jedi is not Haiden Cristensen. 

Modifié par demersel, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:31 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Also if they're going to use IT and the next game is a continuation of ME3 it kind of spoils the surprise a bit don't you think? Though honestly if at the end of the DLC cycle there is not definitive answer one way or the other, or there's no hint of it being expanded on in future, I'm done defending Bioware and I'll join the group saying 'Yeah Bioware f***ed up royally' You can't leave things like this up to speculation forever, it just pisses people off and then they stop caring about the series all together.


We'll see what happens. Let's just cross that bridge when we come to it.


I’m just getting tired of speculating, I’m not asking for my hand to be held or for everything to be spoon fed
to me, I’ve had to analyse some of Lynch’s films before so I know how to
get into the knitty gritty details of something and draw conclusions. IT will always be my canon but I would obviously like to see some kind of payoff within the game/series itself. Whether it’s Shepard getting up from the rubble and finishing what they started or just some kind of acknowledgment that yes, this is what’s going on, I’m not fussed. 

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Someone's worried about autodownloading DLC? Just unplug the internet cable.

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Humakt83 wrote...
That would mean they would stop developing Mass Effect franchise sooner rather than later. I don't see that happening. I'm up for prequels but most people want a sequel. In order to do that they must unveil the mystery eventually.

Actually I think they'll avoid committing, but it does make a future ME game difficult to envision if they don't go back in time.  I have a couple of ideas as to how they could but it'd be a lot easier to do as you say, canonise something and go from there.  Or just pick a previous battle (First Contact War, Genophage etc.), come up with some new cool ideas, and go from there.

Given how huge the Reaper threat was, I imagine it would lose some of the drama if they did go forward in time.  Especially if it made the trilogy less important retrospectively.  They gotta tread carefully now whatever they do.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:30 .


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FFZero wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

FFZero wrote...

Also if they're going to use IT and the next game is a continuation of ME3 it kind of spoils the surprise a bit don't you think? Though honestly if at the end of the DLC cycle there is not definitive answer one way or the other, or there's no hint of it being expanded on in future, I'm done defending Bioware and I'll join the group saying 'Yeah Bioware f***ed up royally' You can't leave things like this up to speculation forever, it just pisses people off and then they stop caring about the series all together.


We'll see what happens. Let's just cross that bridge when we come to it.


I’m just getting tired of speculating, I’m not asking for my hand to be held or for everything to be spoon fed
to me, I’ve had to analyse some of Lynch’s films before so I know how to
get into the knitty gritty details of something and draw conclusions. IT will always be my canon but I would obviously like to see some kind of payoff within the game/series itself. Whether it’s Shepard getting up from the rubble and finishing what they started or just some kind of acknowledgment that yes, this is what’s going on, I’m not fussed. 



We all feel the same way to different degrees. You're not alone.

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

Someone's worried about autodownloading DLC? Just unplug the internet cable.

Why would I not want to download the DLC? Posted Image I want to own a finished product. Posted Image

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The whole things revolves around either, mistakes, coincidences, plot holes or real hidden meanings. My main one is that the Anderson, Illusive, Shepard confrontation makes so little logical sense, I don't believe it was due to incompetence and must have been deliberate.

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

Someone's worried about autodownloading DLC? Just unplug the internet cable.


You don't like what how our program is working and what it is doing to your PC? Just unplug the power cord, and smash the monitor. 

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If you don't want to install DLC, just Cancel the installation.

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AlRPG wrote...

The whole things revolves around either, mistakes, coincidences, plot holes or real hidden meanings. My main one is that the Anderson, Illusive, Shepard confrontation makes so little logical sense, I don't believe it was due to incompetence and must have been deliberate.


That's what we believe, yes.

The second sentence, I mean.

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paxxton wrote...

If you don't want to install DLC, just Cancel the installation.


OHrly?! And would i do that? :innocent: Like exaclty, what do i need to do to cancel the installation of a DLC via Origin? Take you time, think about it. :devil:

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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

If you don't want to install DLC, just Cancel the installation.


OHrly?! And would i do that? :innocent: Like exaclty, what do i need to do to cancel the installation of a DLC via Origin? Take you time, think about it. :devil:

Bring up Game Details by clicking the i icon on the game's pop-up window. Right click on the progress indicator for the DLC you wish to cancel and choose either Pause or Cancel.

EDIT: A tip on top.

Modifié par paxxton, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:40 .