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#35801
BansheeOwnage

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Bill Casey wrote...

Oh...
Otter was making a joke...

Anderson being born in london and "Does this prove IT?" have become memes...

Yeah I know. It sucks doesn't it? Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Illusive Man loved altering humanity into something else entirely. Something that appealed to him. Something he could control...

I accept humanity's flaws. The Illusive Man wants to eliminate them...

I want to eliminate flaws too. Just because I accept that humanity has flaws does not mean I like them...


Our flaws are what make us human.

RvB quote time!

York: What can I tell you? Just one of the things that makes us human, D.

Delta: Excellent point, York. I was not looking at it from a flawed perspective. I will try to do so in the future.



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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Illusive Man loved altering humanity into something else entirely. Something that appealed to him. Something he could control...

I accept humanity's flaws. The Illusive Man wants to eliminate them...

I want to eliminate flaws too. Just because I accept that humanity has flaws does not mean I like them...


Our flaws are what make us human.

RvB quote time!

York: What can I tell you? Just one of the things that makes us human, D.

Delta: Excellent point, York. I was not looking at it from a flawed perspective. I will try to do so in the future.

Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.

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byne wrote...

RvB quote time!

York: What can I tell you? Just one of the things that makes us human, D.

Delta: Excellent point, York. I was not looking at it from a flawed perspective. I will try to do so in the future.

Knock-knock!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

RvB quote time!

York: What can I tell you? Just one of the things that makes us human, D.

Delta: Excellent point, York. I was not looking at it from a flawed perspective. I will try to do so in the future.

Knock-knock!


I will ask who's there, but since I'm going to bed at this very moment, I sadly shall have to wait until morning to see the answer.

;)

#35806
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Knock-knock!


Come!

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

RvB quote time!

York: What can I tell you? Just one of the things that makes us human, D.

Delta: Excellent point, York. I was not looking at it from a flawed perspective. I will try to do so in the future.

Knock-knock!


I will ask who's there, but since I'm going to bed at this very moment, I sadly shall have to wait until morning to see the answer.

;)

York.

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Ohhh I got it now, thanks

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Bill Casey wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Knock-knock!


Come!

Lol.

#35810
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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.

#35811
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Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.


But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image

#35812
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Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.

Very well said. Which goes hand-in-hand with my (and many, many other people's view) that perfection is a direction, not a destination. Therefore, Starkid is right. When Sovereign said "We are the pinnacale of evolution and existence" that was my first clue that the reapers are flawed in some respects. Do you know what else is weird? Refuse is the ultimate in self-determination (something the EC survey said was by far people's main goal in ME) and synthesis is the exact opposite. So, why is synthesis presented as the best ending, and refuse as the worst?

The only good answer I've heard is IT...

#35813
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AresKeith wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.


But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image


Every time someone says Synthesis is great, God kills a kitten.

#35814
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AresKeith wrote...
But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image

Commander Data disagrees with the Starchild. Man, I haven't watched Star Trek in years, but there is some really good stuff there. Stuff that makes you think. Posted Image

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BatmanTurian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.


But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image


Every time someone says Synthesis is great, God kills a kitten.


You never played saracastaball Posted Image

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BatmanTurian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.


But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image


Every time someone says Synthesis is great, God kills a kitten.


 Those poor billion YouTube kittens NOOOOO

#35817
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AresKeith wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Awesome! Though, I don't want to have flaws. If that means I won't be human, SO BE IT.


The self-surpassing is inherently human. In fact, evolution shows us that it is inherently part of the universe itself. Life is a state of becoming. To merely "be" is to die.

We say that such self-surpassing moves us towards a goal of perfection, that is, to have no flaws. The concept of a kind of universal standard of perfection lies beyond our comprehension. Even if it was, would we be able to agree upon it? If history must progress to some singularity or Hegelian sublime perfection, how would we know? I doubt any of us would ever live to see such a thing regardless.

I think the progress of improvement is the end in-and-of itself. The only universal meaning to life is life itself, that process of becoming. Each person can determine what that they wish to become, and in doing so, enriches their own life and those of the people around them. Our strength as a species lies in our diversity and ability to specialize. Biologists, social scientists, and economists agree on this, and you try getting them to agree on ANYTHING.

TL:DR
I don't like synthesis.


But synthesis is amazing with those green eyes and green lines all over us Posted Image


Every time someone says Synthesis is great, God kills a kitten.


You never played saracastaball Posted Image


I know you were being sarcastic. I was agreeing with your general sarcastic comment.

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My previous post reminded me of one of my favorite shows, Gurren Lagann, so I went and watched the ending again.

Most surprising is the number of parallels between the two endings. Figured I would post it because the thread is slow at the moment anyways, and there is some IT relation.

Spoilers, obviously.

"We Anti-Spirals were once a spiral race like yourselves, but when we learned the evolution of spiral power would lead to the destruction of the universe, we annihilated all those that possessed the power of the spiral, and drove remaining survivors the far corners of the universe. We halted our own evolution and locked ourselves away in this pocket universe. On our homeworld, we sealed away our bodies and any possibility of evolution. This form is the symbol of our determination." --The Anti-Spiral King.

There's the whole cycle thing right there. He says his people "defended the universe." The Anti-Spiral King even shows up right at the end to explain all of this. In the words of the protagonist, "You sit here closed off, locking away other lifeforms like some kind of king."

Nia: "Simon, you've come all this way so you could finally do what you had to do, right?"


No explanation needed there.

"Impossible! He allowed himself to undergo quantum breakdown so he could become one with the energy!"

It's even green, lol.

Anti-Spiral: "You continue to struggle even knowing what you know?"
Simon: "Of course we do! The tomorrow we are trying to grab for ourselves is not the tomorrow youve set out for us! It's the tomorrow that we choose for ourselves. A tomorrow that we choose out of all the infinite universes. We'll fight our way through. We'll keep fighting and protect the universe."

Sounds a lot like the refuse speech, doesn't it?

Misc.

The Anti-Spirals use other lifeforms to do their dirty work and break
their former enemies until they see no other choice but to work with
them for survival, like Saren and many others.

The Anti-Spirals
are capable of producing fully-sensed false realities to trap enemies.
The false reality is allegorical and wish-fulfilling, and people escape
by remembering their purpose.

The final battle takes place in outer space as people watch from Earth.

#35819
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demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...
There's a context menu with those options. I saw it today.


Ok. And the big question - can you use it not to install the Extended Cut? :wizard:

If you happen to see this demersel:

You can do the following to "remove" the EC DLC. Go to the directory where all the ME3 DLC is installed (should be something like <your games drive>:\\Program Files\\Origin Games\\Mass Effect 3\\BIOGame\\DLC) and rename the DLC_CON_END directory (don't delete it else you'll have to re-download the massive 1.8Gb later). Next time Origin starts, it'll try to re-download it anyway, but just pause it and cancel. Start ME3 and load a pre-ending save-game that has not been saved while the EC DLC was installed (you can't load a save-game requiring DLC, when the DLC is not installed) and you should be good to go.

If this doesn't work, you may try unplugging your internet connection prior to launching Origin and ME3 (but after cancelling the EC download and then exiting--not login out of--Origin), so that it is forced to do all the DLC and game authentication offline.

To restore the EC DLC, simply delete the newly created DLC_CON_END directory (if it exists) and rename the one you renamed back to DLC_CON_END.

I have 2 ME3 copies on 3 PCs here, so I use a similar method to only download any DLC once, but distribute it to the other 2 PCs via the LAN. And to backup the DLC files.

Hope that helps your quest to see the original RGB endings again...

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Bill Casey wrote...

Speaking of David Lynch...

Posted Image

Lovely...

Where in ME2 is that room from? I think I missed that (or if it's in DLC don't have it)...

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'Tis from LoTSB, on one of the video screens. The similarities are hard to dismiss.

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So the "I was born in london you, know - Really?" lines mean something like this -

- Don't worry, we'll pull through.
- I was born in London, you know....(and now it...)
- Really??? (you think now is the time to be all like "we're all gonna die!"?? What happened to you?)

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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I proudly present the results of the last poll. ]list[/color][/url] an encourage you to take part at the new poll and the survey about your choice at your first playthrough.
I would also like to have you spread the word about these polls to anyone who is interested in this topic.

@BatmanTurian:
No, I do not open threads for each poll, nor have I opened a thread for the IT't Top Ten. My whole project is IT business and thus it is appropriate to stick with it in this thread. Yet, there are always some lit(t)eralists that are offended by the polls, although it is no where near there corners of the BSN.
It is like some homophobic going into an s/s-bar and complaining about homosexuality.

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It's about time for me to take a look at this thread again. It's nice to see that the people in here continue to discuss IT so it's still alive and kicking from what I can tell :-)

So many things that are still being discovered (at least for me) such as the latest 'choose wisely' or just the David Lynch reference a few posts ago.

Please continue the good work and keep this alive as long it is possible!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
Yeah I know. It sucks doesn't it? Posted Image


Actually, I'm quite glad that IT has become a meme.  It shows just how many people are aware of IT (even if they don't necessarily follow or understand it themselves).

Who was it that said "there's no such thing as bad publicity"?