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[401 Kill]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
Who was it that said "there's no such thing as bad publicity"?

Definitely not Bioware that's for sure.

[ElSuperGecko]

401 Kill wrote...
Definitely not Bioware that's for sure.

OK, let me rephrase in the words of Oscar Wilde...

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

All these people bleating out the "Does this prove IT?" line are doing is giving us more exposure.  If it gets one or two new players or posters to say "hey, what's IT?" and visit or contribute to this thread, then we can afford to be indulgent about it.

I wonder just how many players outside of the BSN are speculating about the ending themselves, and whether indoctrination is playing a part.  I know I was... it's actually what brought me back onto the forum.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
Definitely not Bioware that's for sure.

OK, let me rephrase in the words of Oscar Wilde...

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

All these people bleating out the "Does this prove IT?" line are doing is giving us more exposure.  If it gets one or two new players or posters to say "hey, what's IT?" and visit or contribute to this thread, then we can afford to be indulgent about it.

I wonder just how many players outside of the BSN are speculating about the ending themselves, and whether indoctrination is playing a part.  I know I was... it's actually what brought me back onto the forum.

I thought something was off about the ending from the start but couldnt put my finger on it until I saw the Indoctrination Theory by coincedence. Then the pieces fell into place.

That is how I ended up here.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 octobre 2012 - 11:03 .

[ElSuperGecko]

Pretty much the same with me Raistlin. I'd heard about the backlash around the ending before I bought the game, but had never visted the BSN. So when I saw the opening sequence with the kid, the dreams, and then the entire sequence with TIM at the end I felt like something was up straight away. And once we had Starbrat (failed to) explain the choices, I thought "nah - I'm not buying any of this crap", and blew the tube. Then I started looking for clues and other peoples thoughts... which eventually led me here!

[demersel]

I don't think that that many players are actually speculating - I think they either know the ending to be indoctrination, either think the ending sucked. In both cases most people moved and put Mass Effect on hold. 
There is really not much to speculate - even we here - All of us KNOW that the ending is indoctrination. And yet we are still here, and to tell the truth what we are doing here is not healthy.
And that is part of why we get such a big deal.
The game is out for more than six months and we're like "Hey, could the ending be in fact indoctrination?" - Well, Duh... It is not such a brainer after all. (and it is not that subtle frankly.)

Modifié par demersel, 18 octobre 2012 - 11:13 .

[estebanus]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
Definitely not Bioware that's for sure.

OK, let me rephrase in the words of Oscar Wilde...

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

All these people bleating out the "Does this prove IT?" line are doing is giving us more exposure.  If it gets one or two new players or posters to say "hey, what's IT?" and visit or contribute to this thread, then we can afford to be indulgent about it.

I wonder just how many players outside of the BSN are speculating about the ending themselves, and whether indoctrination is playing a part.  I know I was... it's actually what brought me back onto the forum.

I thought something was off about the ending from the start but couldnt put my finger on it until I saw the Indoctrination Theory by coincedence. Then the pieces fell into place.

That is how I ended up here.

I just thought that the ending sucked when I played it through. Afterwards, I got really pissed off and started to rant about it nonstop. Then, my sister found the IT thread and introduced me to it. And now, here I am.

[TSA_383]

demersel wrote...

I don't think that that many players are actually speculating - I think they either know the ending to be indoctrination, either think the ending sucked. In both cases most people moved and put Mass Effect on hold. 
There is really not much to speculate - even we here - All of us KNOW that the ending is indoctrination. And yet we are still here, and to tell the truth what we are doing here is not healthy.
And that is part of why we get such a big deal.
The game is out for more than six months and we're like "Hey, could the ending be in fact indoctrination?" - Well, Duh... It is not such a brainer after all. (and it is not that subtle frankly.)

And yet we have to wait...and wait... and wait...

[demersel]

I'm rewatching priority earth now - after watching the vid with the I was bourn in london diologe - i got the strong feeling that Anderson is indoctrinated - to the same point as Kenson was. Immedeatly after Shepard remarks - "really?" Anderson goes on with his it's a shame it took the reapers to brings us all together speach - and if it isn't a fine game of sarcastaball, i don't know what is. The whole charge down the beam op was his idea. When i played through Mass Effect 3 (i only did one playthrough) - i didn't realy trust anderson, (if only for the fact that he stayed on earth which is full of reapers, who indoctrinate everyone they are around of, - so immideatly after we left earth I considered Anderson and everybody on earth dead.) and during priority earth he acted odd - so it was actually the fact that it was anderson shown to shoot the tube that put me off the most from picking destroy.

[demersel]

This is sad really - the real Anderson is dead, and he is not the man that was your friend and mentor anymore.

The Anderson you meet in the citadel - is the Anderson of your mind - they way you remember him and what you percive him to be, same as the Illusive man there - at this point you are dead sure that illusive man lost it, and is a walking copy of Saren, so that is exactly what you see there. We don't yet know the fate of the illusive man (but it is very likely to be what we saw in the ending).

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Hm.
Possible idea for why they're waiting so long to release some variant of an IT-ending (if it exists).
Backlash showed them the fans weren't ready for the story to end in any way, saw opportunity to release pre-ending DLC without receiving more backlash.
Reasoning: Would they really buy/play a SP DLC if it happened before the IT (or variant) ending?
Result: A hellofa long wait while they develop/polish pre-ending DLC.
The potential payoff if an IT variant ending is released is still ... Exciting.

[demersel]

Priority Earth - operation base - is the place where your whole team gets indoctrinated. - You come there - and they change - they say it themselves - something changes for all of them and it takes Shpeard to rimend them of what they need to do - And each of them say - ok this is our last fight, time to say goodbye - this is where we die - and sheaprd is like - Whoa man! Where did this come from? Don't give out on a fight before you through the first punch! This is not our last fight this is just the beggining, etc...Anderson and Coats are indoctrinated and are sabotaging hammer. And their core plan is to kill of shepard - get him to fall - so everybody esly loses the will to fight - no more - no more hope for the man - the war will stop, (in their mind it will stop the slaughter). It is really obvious. And sad.

[demersel]

There is a drastic difference between those of your squadmates that you contact via the holocom, and those that are on site with you - those who are there - they are getting ready to die, those who are not there - they are making plans of what they are going to do after. 
And everything about priority earth is to promote the idea of a glorious sacrifice to the player - and make him WANT to die in the end.

Modifié par demersel, 18 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[demersel]

The funny thing in that is that Zaeed will be the only sirvivor of Priority Earth push. And it is he who tells the story in the stargazers scene. )))))))))))))))

[demersel]

Ok, it is not that simple not the ones you have fith you vs the ones you contact via holocom...it is different...Though some of the squadmates deffinatly are - i'll rewatch it and make the list.

[ajk_Jack]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
Definitely not Bioware that's for sure.

OK, let me rephrase in the words of Oscar Wilde...

"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

All these people bleating out the "Does this prove IT?" line are doing is giving us more exposure.  If it gets one or two new players or posters to say "hey, what's IT?" and visit or contribute to this thread, then we can afford to be indulgent about it.

I wonder just how many players outside of the BSN are speculating about the ending themselves, and whether indoctrination is playing a part.  I know I was... it's actually what brought me back onto the forum.

I thought something was off about the ending from the start but couldnt put my finger on it until I saw the Indoctrination Theory by coincedence. Then the pieces fell into place.

That is how I ended up here.

Same here 

[ajk_Jack]

@demersel
Interesting. All that you say makes sense, heck, it explains the ending itself very nicely. The idea of Anderson being indoctrinated and causing Shepard to die really does skew your idea of him.

[demersel]

Compromised:
- James
- Kaidan
- Ashley (unless you romanced her)
- Miranda
- Liara

Not compromised:
- Grunt
- Jacob
- Zaeed
- Kasumi
- Cortez
- Jack
- Samara
- Garrus
- Javik
- Wrex
- Tali
- Edi (she is afraid, but not indoctrinated, since she can't be)

Compromised:
- James
- Kaidan
- Ashley (unless you romanced her)
- Miranda
- Liara

The conpromised list is very interesting. It is made based only on their farefwell to you in the priority Earth mission.

And yet there is at least two interesting things those people have in common.
1 - they have the most plot armor.
2 - strangly, except Miranda, those are the people, who you did not the loyalty mission for. (you couldn;t since they weren't in ME2)

Now, two of those were in ME2:
Miranda - and you did a loyalty mission for her there,
And Liara - she was in Lair of the Shadow Broker, which of sort of her layalty mission.

Out of them all - Miranda and Aslhley is the less compromised - they just have doubts and fears (though it is really hard to tell with Ashley, since she's always holding everything inside)

I think tha fact that you saved Ashley's life on eden prime works as a sort of loyalty mission,, but not much.

Miranda on the other hand - things are strange with her - she was a squadmate in ME2 and you had a loyalty mission for her, BUT in ME3 you really get another one- and it is the same one - again it has to do with her sister and her father, but this time - it is a huge part of the main plot. (remind me, how do you find sanctuary if Miranda is died in ME2??)

The most comromised are Liara - she's just plain wacko. What was her last goodbuy vision was supposed to mean?? Even sheaprd in game goes "Huh??". And she has the most plot armor.

Second place is James. No loyalty for him. constantly hear strange hum during mass effect 3 - second place in the plot armor department. (liara wins this one only because of having it for longer time).

Kaidan is third place. Again no loyalty mission for him, And we didn't even have some dramatic history with him as we had with ashley - saving her at Eden prime.

Also those persons, except James are the people who we know to have had the most exposure to reapers after Shepard. About James we simply have no info - but of all the crew he's the only one who hears the hum, AND he gets bitten by huskhead AND comes o bryson's office on his own for no reason - and that office has a chunk of sovereign.

[Biotic Sage]

Indoctrination Theory is to Mass Effect 3 as Alfred Only Imagines Seeing Bruce Wayne is to The Dark Knight Rises.

In other words, let's ignore every single piece of empirical evidence the film/game give us and see only what we want to see.

[demersel]

How's the Normandy ably to fly in for the pick up at all??? The beam gives of interferance that prevented you from using air support through out all of the priority earth part 2 and that protected the reaper destroyer - you had to wait until it get;s closer to you so you could target him.... how's the normandy is suddenly ably to swoop in for a precise pick up? And if it can to THAT then why do it at all? why not do a second Ilos - and drop a mako, a kodiak, or just just people directly into the mean during a swoop in?? Joker was able to drop a mako to an area that was only 3x3 meters! Sure he can drop tropps into the beam - if he's ably to pilot it precise enough for the pick up.

[masster blaster]

Biotic Sage. You do realize the Wayne is alive at the end. Alfred is not seeing anything he is really there. I mean the bat symbol is repaired, Wayne's batjet is back in the Hanger, and Robin got a ltter from wanye to go find the batcave. I mean heck everyone that knew who Batman was got a message that we was alive.

You see Batman is dead, but not Bruce. In other words Bruce is done being Batman, and Tim Drake is becoming the new dark knight.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Biotic Sage wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is to Mass Effect 3 as Alfred Only Imagines Seeing Bruce Wayne is to The Dark Knight Rises.

In other words, let's ignore every single piece of empirical evidence the film/game give us and see only what we want to see.

Seriusly there are people who dont think it was Bruce at the end of the movie?

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:18 .

[demersel]

Also - the game specifically shows you - Andreson had the cornifex in his hands right before the push.  And why is anderson NOT charging down the hill to the beam with you? The shot that shows him having a cornifex is right before the push, as if he's about to charge with you, and the next second he's not there just giving orders over radio. 

And all over priority earth he says - I want you there for that push. (in fact it is almost the only thing he says)

Modifié par demersel, 18 octobre 2012 - 01:25 .

[masster blaster]

Dem you could also say how are gunships flying around the beam. I mean come on we couldn't get no air support to take out that Destroyer, but no when we get air support Harbinger one shots them.

Also did anyone not notice when the Alliance dreanought got blown up at Shepard's trail it sent Shepad back, and if you think about Harbinger what if he just sent Shepard flying way back into the rubble we see in Destroy.

[demersel]

masster blaster wrote...

Dem you could also say how are gunships flying around the beam. I mean come on we couldn't get no air support to take out that Destroyer, but no when we get air support Harbinger one shots them.

Also did anyone not notice when the Alliance dreanought got blown up at Shepard's trail it sent Shepad back, and if you think about Harbinger what if he just sent Shepard flying way back into the rubble we see in Destroy.

I think the whole beam run is fake. The dream starts when you pass besides the "dead" reaper destroyer.