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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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leonia42 wrote...

I can't recall many (if any) instances of more than two characters talking at a time in the same scene before in any of the three games. Pretty sure it's an engine limitation and something technical relating to how the cinematics are handled. There's nothing unusual with only showing two at a time when it's a three-way. Oh my mind went there.

Heh.
Also, it is possible in unreal to get two characters to speak at the same time, but I think the subtitles would struggle...

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TSA_383 wrote...

FifthBeatle wrote...

Also, question for everyone: if the scene with Shepard, Anderson, and TIM is all in Shepard's head, where do you guys think the real TIM is?

Omega?
Certainly his motivations for taking the place need to be made more clear...

Nah, it's obvious he is being pumped through tubes by that point :P

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TSA_383 wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

I can't recall many (if any) instances of more than two characters talking at a time in the same scene before in any of the three games. Pretty sure it's an engine limitation and something technical relating to how the cinematics are handled. There's nothing unusual with only showing two at a time when it's a three-way. Oh my mind went there.

Heh.
Also, it is possible in unreal to get two characters to speak at the same time, but I think the subtitles would struggle...

Yeah the subtitle thing is imo also the reason why there is an awkward pause if someone interrupts someone else.

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I'm not sure who shot anybody any more. Next you'll tell me Anderson shot Shepard who shot TIM who shot Anderson who was really Harbinger all along.

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demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

http://youtu.be/cDRmQaOfBT0?t=1h3m14s
^Is it just me, or does it look a lot like Shepard shot TIM? Just me?

I suggested that on the last page. Explains no blood and wound.

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Ladies and Gentlemen,
I proudly present the [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">results of the last poll. ]poll[/color][/url] and the survey about your choice at your first playthrough.
I would also like to have you spread the word about these polls to anyone who is interested in this topic.

@BatmanTurian:
No, I do not open threads for each poll, nor have I opened a thread for the IT't Top Ten. My whole project is IT business and thus it is appropriate to stick with it in this thread. Yet, there are always some lit(t)eralists that are offended by the polls, although it is no where near there corners of the BSN.
It is like some homophobic going into an s/s-bar and complaining about homosexuality.


I know. That's why it bothers me and I consider it harassment.

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TIM is no longer useful to the Reapers. They command Shepard to kill him. Of course both of them are symbolic representations of parts of Shepard's psyche.

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Biotic Sage wrote...

Indoctrination Theory is to Mass Effect 3 as Alfred Only Imagines Seeing Bruce Wayne is to The Dark Knight Rises.

In other words, let's ignore every single piece of empirical evidence the film/game give us and see only what we want to see.


LOLno Indoctrination Theory is to Mass Effect 3 as Dr. Malcolm Crowe Is A Ghost is to The Sixth Sense.


Funny how you should say that "we" see only what we want to see.

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I still believe we have another encounter with TIM at Omega in the Omega DLC.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

That strikes me as a glitch


everything is glitches and reused assets to you people.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

That strikes me as a glitch


everything is glitches and reused assets to you people.

People don't seem to read my posts :o
Too bad I deleted my pre EC stuff >.>

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

That strikes me as a glitch


everything is glitches and reused assets to you people.

People don't seem to read my posts :o
Too bad I deleted my pre EC stuff >.>


EC's over so whatever was a glitch should have been fixed. Instead, they released it exactly how they wanted it to be.

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Restrider wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
I proudly present the results of the last poll. ]list[/color][/url] an encourage you to take part at the new poll and the survey about your choice at your first playthrough.
I would also like to have you spread the word about these polls to anyone who is interested in this topic.



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BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

That strikes me as a glitch


everything is glitches and reused assets to you people.

People don't seem to read my posts :o
Too bad I deleted my pre EC stuff >.>


EC's over so whatever was a glitch should have been fixed. Instead, they released it exactly how they wanted it to be.

Should... that's the same with the Crucible fire sounds which are prematurely for some endings, and like Leviathan which broke the visions of your choices so they don't show.
Also I didn't say it was a glitch, I said Shep just isn't doing what TIM does but what she is doing all the time in that scene and that is not holding her arm steady.

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I agree with BatmanTurian. If Bioware wanted to fix the glitches, or anything else, then the EC was it.

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Lol, I just realized I can delete comments on my polls. :o

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

demersel wrote...

 Interesting! In this recording of priority earth, that i'm watching.. at 1.03.09 - Illusive man is about to shoot himself - and he raises his gun to his head, wobbling it a bit first - then it cuts to shepard looking at him - and she does the exact same thing with her gun!! 1.03.11   - that is a change brought in with the EC! It was not like that in the original. 

www.youtube.com/watch

That strikes me as a glitch


everything is glitches and reused assets to you people.

People don't seem to read my posts :o
Too bad I deleted my pre EC stuff >.>


EC's over so whatever was a glitch should have been fixed. Instead, they released it exactly how they wanted it to be.

Should... that's the same with the Crucible fire sounds which are prematurely for some endings, and like Leviathan which broke the visions of your choices so they don't show.
Also I didn't say it was a glitch, I said Shep just isn't doing what TIM does but what she is doing all the time in that scene and that is not holding her arm steady.


point taken.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

FifthBeatle wrote...

Also, question for everyone: if the scene with Shepard, Anderson, and TIM is all in Shepard's head, where do you guys think the real TIM is?


That is one of the big questions. My guess is that he truly is on the Citadel, but what he is doing there I have no idea.


After four months of waiting, there is no way he's missing his appointment with the consort.

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Restrider wrote...

Lol, I just realized I can delete comments on my polls. :o


before you do that, you should notify moderators and show those as proof that people are harrassing us.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Lol, I just realized I can delete comments on my polls. :o


before you do that, you should notify moderators and show those as proof that people are harrassing us.


nevermind, you already did it.

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demersel wrote...

A thought - So, if leviathan is supposed to be a DLC for the first act...Aka before cerberus coup.... Does it mean that some time after Omega will get new MP DLC that adds citadel maps? (and that would be the best time to bring in spectre classes..)


bump

Modifié par demersel, 18 octobre 2012 - 05:05 .


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demersel wrote...

demersel wrote...

A thought - So, if leviathan is supposed to be a DLC for the first act...Aka before cerberus coup.... Does it mean that some time after Omega will get new MP DLC that adds citadel maps? (and that would be the best time to bring in spectre classes..)


bump

If that happens, we'll definitely get that map where we chase Kai Leng.

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demersel wrote...

demersel wrote...

A thought - So, if leviathan is supposed to be a DLC for the first act...Aka before cerberus coup.... Does it mean that some time after Omega will get new MP DLC that adds citadel maps? (and that would be the best time to bring in spectre classes..)


bump

I thought of the Turians as Spectre classes, also I doubt there will be a new DLC in quite some time as there are lots of locked classes in the latest that can pretty much be seen as Spectre classes.

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Eryri wrote...

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demersel wrote...

except FFZero - when you've got 3 persons in a scene the 180 dergee does not apply. Instead you get a triangle rule (which is mostly similiar, but there are more to it - you can do more and less at the same time.)


Not necessarily. The 180 degree rule is a fundamental part of every scene in a film, the amount of characters within a scene is irrelevant. Plus, for the most part the conversations in that scene are just between two of the characters, the third is normally always out of shot.


So if I understand it correctly, you keep the camera in roughly, but not necessarily exactly, the same position relative to the speakers. So it behaves as though it was actually our view point, as though we were standing there ourselves, more or less, and not zooming all over the place?

Thanks again for your explanations guys. It's actually surprising the stuff folks on the BSN have taught me about literary theory and such. Who said video games were a waste of time? 


Exactly. The camera is essentially us, the viewer. Subtle changes to camera angles and shot types can make the world of difference in how we view and judge scenes. If you've ever watched a film and suddenly thought it visually looks weird even though everything seems normal it's because they're broken the 180 degree rule. You generally don't break the 180 degree rule unless it’s to show some kind of altered state of reality, so if a character dreaming, high, drunk etc.

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Going back to the size of the Omega dlc for a minute, there's two reasons why I think it might be smart move for Bioware to release the IT reveal as part of this, rather than wait until next Spring as many hypothesised.

1. Christmas is coming and they have the Trilogy pack to sell. This pack is designed to appeal to people who are curious about ME but haven't taken the plunge yet. However the negative buzz about the endings, while somewhat abated, is still hanging around and is likely to put people off. If the ending is as epic as we all hope, it will redeem the franchise and give it a new lease of life just in time for the biggest marketing period of the year.

2. Bundling the reveal together with mid-game dlc to make a more substantial product, diffuses the potential "Azura's Wrath" backlash from people who (perhaps rightly) resent the notion of the true ending of the story being held hostage for more money.
Releasing the ending on its own might seem like the proverbial "nickel and diming", even if it sells for a relatively small amount. Throwing it in with Omega however, which many would have bought anyway, makes it seem like a bonus freebee. No-one complained that Throne of Bhaal represented the true ending to the story of the Bhaal Child in BG because it was a tremendous package that was worth the money, and added lots of new content, some of which was accessible during the main campaign

Of course I may be way off base here, but it does strike me as a sensible move on their part.

Edit: ooh look I'm on top of the page!

Modifié par Eryri, 18 octobre 2012 - 05:16 .