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[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

Perhaps you guys just don't see it. or don't notice the exact thing im' talking about- at 01.03.11 shep is almost pointing her gun to her own head exactly like the Illusive man does a split second before he shoots himself.

You can see the barrels pointing right at the camera at that exact second.

[ajk_Jack]

demersel wrote...

Perhaps you guys just don't see it. or don't notice the exact thing im' talking about- at 01.03.11 shep is almost pointing her gun to her own head exactly like the Illusive man does a split second before he shoots himself.

I know what you're talking about and I saw it too at first, but I think it is just Shepard holding the gun at Anderson as he/she has been the entire scene, it just looks different becuause the camera is closer to Shepard.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 18 octobre 2012 - 05:58 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Perhaps you guys just don't see it. or don't notice the exact thing im' talking about- at 01.03.11 shep is almost pointing her gun to her own head exactly like the Illusive man does a split second before he shoots himself.

That's not true. It's an optic illusion caused by the camera's angle.

[plfranke]

What is interesting is that in every variation of that scene, (Illusive Man Kills Anderson and Shepard, Illusive Man kills Anderson but not Shepard, Shepard kills Illusive Man and where TIM makes Shepard shoot Anderson) you can see the gun fire. However, when Illusive Man shoots himself, the gun doesn't fire. Thoughts?

[FFZero]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Perhaps you guys just don't see it. or don't notice the exact thing im' talking about- at 01.03.11 shep is almost pointing her gun to her own head exactly like the Illusive man does a split second before he shoots himself.

That's not true. It's an optic illusion caused by the camera's angle.

This. Like I said before, different shot types can change how we perceive the same thing. What we're seeing in that scene is a close up of the gun barrel, Shepards pose and position haven't changed at all.

[Restrider]

Okay, after rewatching the video a few times now, I have to agree that it means nothing.
At first I thought that Shepard was emulating TIM's movement -> moving her arm that is holding the gun to her temple.
But that is not the case. In fact the aperture of the gun is still pointing forward (to TIM or Anderson, it is not really clear due to the weird angles). The gun only appears to be pointing to her head due to the weird angles.
Though one thing remains (what paxxton mentioned) that it looks like Shepard shot TIM. But that is a minor thing.

[jojon2se]

I see it and it the mirrored gesturing most certainly seems to drive home the connection of TIM as a metaphysical avatar for the part of Shepard's mind that wonders if attempting control isn't such a bad idea after all. Shepard rejecting that reasoning manifests simultaneously in both its avatar and Shepard herself.

The only thing I'd examine, is to check so that there is not a matter of forced perspective and camera angles tricking us here: The pistol we see floating in front of Shepard's face COULD be TIM's pistol, rather than Shepard's, just moved closer to Shepard, for the sake of framing (done OFTEN in ME cutscenes) and it's not 100% clear just where Shep's hand is right after the shot, due to the low position of the camera.

Both should be determined if one rewatched the scene with greater FOV and maybe even in steroscopic view.

EDIT: Ok... Typing waaay to slow.

Modifié par jojon2se, 18 octobre 2012 - 06:08 .

[MegumiAzusa]

plfranke wrote...

What is interesting is that in every variation of that scene, (Illusive Man Kills Anderson and Shepard, Illusive Man kills Anderson but not Shepard, Shepard kills Illusive Man and where TIM makes Shepard shoot Anderson) you can see the gun fire. However, when Illusive Man shoots himself, the gun doesn't fire. Thoughts?

Anderson shoots TIM with his third pistol.
jk but comparing two vids on YT the sound when shooting TIM with the Renegade option does sound the same.

[masster blaster]

Guys I um have a question.

Do you think Shepard is in a dream before the beam run, or after Harbinger laser face attack?

Personaly I think it's before the beam run because that's when everything goes south until you meet the godchild.

Anyways to me Shepard is in a nightmer because if Shepard tries to go back in his/her dreams, he/she is being forced to turn back and follow the child. Well when Shepard wakes up from the blast, if you try to go back you die.

Anyways The whole beam run, and the Citadel is one big nightmer, and when Shepard beats the nightmer. He/she is stuck in the twilightzone of dream, and reality.

When Shepard is told to wake up, Shepard is confussed about where he is, but the funny thing is that the child quickly says " The Citadel it's my home." Funny the Reapers built the Citadel, but I never knew it was for the brat. I thought it was a TRAP to TRAP the GALACTIC leaders in ONE spot.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I um have a question.

Do you think Shepard is in a dream before the beam run, or after Harbinger laser face attack?

Personaly I think it's before the beam run because that's when everything goes south until you meet the godchild.

Anyways to me Shepard is in a nightmer because if Shepard tries to go back in his/her dreams, he/she is being forced to turn back and follow the child. Well when Shepard wakes up from the blast, if you try to go back you die.

Anyways The whole beam run, and the Citadel is one big nightmer, and when Shepard beats the nightmer. He/she is stuck in the twilightzone of dream, and reality.

When Shepard is told to wake up, Shepard is confussed about where he is, but the funny thing is that the child quickly says " The Citadel it's my home." Funny the Reapers built the Citadel, but I never knew it was for the brat. I thought it was a TRAP to TRAP the GALACTIC leaders in ONE spot.

Imo it's after the run. It was actually most obvious before the EC:
Harby shoots 3 times at Shepard but misses on purpose, but each shot getting closer. Then the last shot knocks her out.

Also the "Wake Up." is too similar to "Breathe."

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 18 octobre 2012 - 06:14 .

[smokingotter1]

Surprised no one brought this up. If you run out of time in ME2 Overlord DLC you get a game over video. Funny to me because Overlord is about Cerburus trying to fuse a human with the geth collective. Reminds me of synthesis. Link to video for the lazy


Evil Edi... and she's green.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 18 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .

[FFZero]

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I um have a question.

Do you think Shepard is in a dream before the beam run, or after Harbinger laser face attack?

Personaly I think it's before the beam run because that's when everything goes south until you meet the godchild.

Anyways to me Shepard is in a nightmer because if Shepard tries to go back in his/her dreams, he/she is being forced to turn back and follow the child. Well when Shepard wakes up from the blast, if you try to go back you die.

Anyways The whole beam run, and the Citadel is one big nightmer, and when Shepard beats the nightmer. He/she is stuck in the twilightzone of dream, and reality.

When Shepard is told to wake up, Shepard is confussed about where he is, but the funny thing is that the child quickly says " The Citadel it's my home." Funny the Reapers built the Citadel, but I never knew it was for the brat. I thought it was a TRAP to TRAP the GALACTIC leaders in ONE spot.

While the whole London mission comes across as a bit odd I honestly think the hallucination, or whatever is going on, starts after Harby’s attack.

[MegumiAzusa]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Surprised no one brought this up. If you run out of time in ME2 Overlord DLC you get a game over video. Funny to me because Overlord is about Cerburus trying to fuse a human with the geth collective. Reminds me of synthesis. Link to video for the lazy


Evil Edi... and she's green.

Was brought up some times now, also it's a he, as it's still a mix of David and Geth, it's actually overwriting EDI.

[smokingotter1]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Surprised no one brought this up. If you run out of time in ME2 Overlord DLC you get a game over video. Funny to me because Overlord is about Cerburus trying to fuse a human with the geth collective. Reminds me of synthesis. Link to video for the lazy

*snip*

Evil Edi... and she's green.

Was brought up some times now, also it's a he, as it's still a mix of David and Geth, it's actually overwriting EDI.

All of this has happened before, and will happen again.

[demersel]

So ok the gun thing is just an angle thing.

[Home run MF]

FFZero wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I um have a question.

Do you think Shepard is in a dream before the beam run, or after Harbinger laser face attack?

Personaly I think it's before the beam run because that's when everything goes south until you meet the godchild.

Anyways to me Shepard is in a nightmer because if Shepard tries to go back in his/her dreams, he/she is being forced to turn back and follow the child. Well when Shepard wakes up from the blast, if you try to go back you die.

Anyways The whole beam run, and the Citadel is one big nightmer, and when Shepard beats the nightmer. He/she is stuck in the twilightzone of dream, and reality.

When Shepard is told to wake up, Shepard is confussed about where he is, but the funny thing is that the child quickly says " The Citadel it's my home." Funny the Reapers built the Citadel, but I never knew it was for the brat. I thought it was a TRAP to TRAP the GALACTIC leaders in ONE spot.

While the whole London mission comes across as a bit odd I honestly think the hallucination, or whatever is going on, starts after Harby’s attack.

Before the EC I thought the same but the evac scene is too nonsensical to be real, it seems like a patch to get the LI closure some wanted but came out forced.

[MegumiAzusa]

smokingotter1 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Surprised no one brought this up. If you run out of time in ME2 Overlord DLC you get a game over video. Funny to me because Overlord is about Cerburus trying to fuse a human with the geth collective. Reminds me of synthesis. Link to video for the lazy

*snip*

Evil Edi... and she's green.

Was brought up some times now, also it's a he, as it's still a mix of David and Geth, it's actually overwriting EDI.

All of this has happened before, and will happen again.

To know the face of god is to know madness.

[MegumiAzusa]

Home run MF wrote...

FFZero wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Guys I um have a question.

Do you think Shepard is in a dream before the beam run, or after Harbinger laser face attack?

Personaly I think it's before the beam run because that's when everything goes south until you meet the godchild.

Anyways to me Shepard is in a nightmer because if Shepard tries to go back in his/her dreams, he/she is being forced to turn back and follow the child. Well when Shepard wakes up from the blast, if you try to go back you die.

Anyways The whole beam run, and the Citadel is one big nightmer, and when Shepard beats the nightmer. He/she is stuck in the twilightzone of dream, and reality.

When Shepard is told to wake up, Shepard is confussed about where he is, but the funny thing is that the child quickly says " The Citadel it's my home." Funny the Reapers built the Citadel, but I never knew it was for the brat. I thought it was a TRAP to TRAP the GALACTIC leaders in ONE spot.

While the whole London mission comes across as a bit odd I honestly think the hallucination, or whatever is going on, starts after Harby’s attack.

Before the EC I thought the same but the evac scene is too nonsensical to be real, it seems like a patch to get the LI closure some wanted but came out forced.

Yeah, I wished they included Anderson in that scene telling Shep that they had to go while waiting for evac and Shep only sees them getting evaced in the distance. Would also fix the Normandy instant teleport.

[masster blaster]

Wait Meg you said that thing was trying to overide EDI? Synthesis anyone. EDI is not her self, and nor is anybody.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait Meg you said that thing was trying to overide EDI? Synthesis anyone. EDI is not her self, and nor is anybody.

No, listen. Overlord, David, was trying to upload itself off world. After destroying the satelite dishes you denied it/him access to comm buouys. The Normandy was the nearest transmitting source capable of taking in the VI hybrid. Thus, at the end of the Overlord DLC you have to stop the VI from uploading to the Normandy (The station PA speakers explain this during the fight.)

I could just never understand how David/VI managed to control you like that. I mean by "uploading" you into that virtual world.

Did he manage to take control of the VI for just an instance? Allowing himself to be saved by you?

Why didn't the VI just disable all the doors and stuff? Why lock your squadmates in that room but let you escape?

Maybe it has something to do with your cibernetic implants?

Modifié par NebuchadnezzaRT, 18 octobre 2012 - 06:46 .

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Wait Meg you said that thing was trying to overide EDI? Synthesis anyone. EDI is not her self, and nor is anybody.

Hard to tell. While the EC gave much new to IT it also removed some points that were in my opinion better before.
If you compare the scene with the Normandy on the planet you have pre EC three options:
low ems: The door opens but Shepard dies in that instant, even the background sound is named that way
high ems: The door opens, Shepard has hope and sees her friends get out (that is also why the LI is always the first to get out)
high ems destroy: The door opens, Shepard has hope and sees her friends get out, then awakes in the rubble.
post EC it's a bit more difficult when you look at low ems destroy (still got to upload that as I can't find it) you see the Normandy scene exactly like before but a really shortened and quite different version of Hacketts speech afterwards, so it's hard to tell what is imagined by a dying mind.

[LazyTechGuy]

The most interest thing about that video where Shepard mimics TIM's gun movement is that it appears to have been added in by the EC.

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait Meg you said that thing was trying to overide EDI? Synthesis anyone. EDI is not her self, and nor is anybody.

high ems: The door opens, Shepard has hope and sees her friends get out (that is also why the LI is always the first to get out)

I thought Joker always got out first? (I haven't done the endings for a long while, and have only done 1 EC playthrough)

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Wait Meg you said that thing was trying to overide EDI? Synthesis anyone. EDI is not her self, and nor is anybody.

No, listen. Overlord, David, was trying to upload itself off world. After destroying the satelite dishes you denied it/him access to comm buouys. The Normandy was the nearest transmitting source capable of taking in the VI hybrid. Thus, at the end of the Overlord DLC you have to stop the VI from uploading to the Normandy (The station PA speakers explain this during the fight.)

I could just never understand how David/VI managed to control you like that. I mean by "uploading" you into that virtual world.

Did he manage to take control of the VI for just an instance? Allowing himself to be saved by you?

Why didn't the VI just disable all the doors and stuff? Why lock your squadmates in that room but let you escape?

Maybe it has something to do with your cibernetic implants?

I have always percieved it as David trying to save himself through Shepard. Shepard is the only one who gets in contact with the console (and depending on your squadmates probably the only one with enough cybernetics to be hacked in that manner) and David shows him through the overlay what happened to him, probably hoping Shepard will understand and stop it. ("please make it stop").

I think he is struggling against the VI the entire time with only strength enough to get Shepard through the doorbefore it gets locked.

"Please make it stop,"

*shivers*

That dlc was creepy as hell and anyone who played it should be thinking twice about Control and Synthesis.

More positively, seeing David in Grissom Academy and hearing his "the number of days you lengthened my life," line was sweet.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 18 octobre 2012 - 06:57 .

[NebuchadnezzaRT]

Exactly! Overlord has been my main argument against Control and Synthesis endings!

Hmm, small wonder, if you free David he lets you into the armory at Grissom Academy. "Lots of guns"

Which ending do you use a gun?

I know, I know, I really pulled that one outta nowhere but there isn't much else to talk about...