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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Writers often giver meaning and purpose to names of places, characters of items, and the writers of ME are no different. That Aria one is subtle and really cool. A couple of my favorites are the obvious ones: Shepard and Harbinger.

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ajk_Jack wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Because Omega is coming up, I decided to finally do some research into arias to see if one of them contains a connection to Aria T'loak.


Another connection is to the famous Toreador's Song from Carmen, another aria. Aria herself wears a toreador jacket. You could even say that bull-tamer is a good figurative description for someone that "tamed" krogan. Krogan are quite famous for charging people at a moment's notice after all :P

I have a feeling that her last name must have some relation to the allusion the writers were trying to make, but I have yet to find a connection.

What was with that old Krogan in ME2 on Omega. Didn't he serve Aria or work with her or something?

Edit: I can't remember the exact circumstance; I just remember a side mission with a particular Krogan on Omega. It comes with the Toreador allusion, if I'm not mistaken.


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ajk_Jack wrote...

Writers often giver meaning and purpose to names of places, characters of items, and the writers of ME are no different. That Aria one is subtle and really cool. A couple of my favorites are the obvious ones: Shepard and Harbinger.


Well, the Shepard thing is becoming a bad cliche. John and Jane are generic.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Writers often giver meaning and purpose to names of places, characters of items, and the writers of ME are no different. That Aria one is subtle and really cool. A couple of my favorites are the obvious ones: Shepard and Harbinger.


Well, the Shepard thing is becoming a bad cliche. John and Jane are generic.

Generic, but passable. 

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BatmanTurian wrote...

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Because Omega is coming up, I decided to finally do some research into arias to see if one of them contains a connection to Aria T'loak.

The best connection I've found so far is to Mozart's The Magic Flute. The parallel that strikes me the most is that the Queen (if you are feeling dramatic) of Night asks the protagonist to rescue something of hers, her daughter in this case. The protagonist finds out during the rescue that the Queen of NIght is the actual villain. The Queen of Night has a famous aria with a name that translates to something like "Hell's Vengeance Boils in My Heart" which she sings to her daughter.

Another connection is to the famous Toreador's Song from Carmen, another aria. Aria herself wears a toreador jacket. You could even say that bull-tamer is a good figurative description for someone that "tamed" krogan. Krogan are quite famous for charging people at a moment's notice after all :P

I have a feeling that her last name must have some relation to the allusion the writers were trying to make, but I have yet to find a connection.


wow, that's some really great connections you have there.


Thank you.

I forgot to add that it seems likely to me that such connection were intentional, considering that the BioWare writers have already shown via some of the mission names and Ashley's poetry quotes that one or more people on their writing staff has a love of so-called high culture.

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Guys are you saying Omega jumped through the Omega 4 relay?


We're implying it was towed.

EDIT: top, ha.

You know the Relays connect systems that are light years away right?

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Actually if Omega was moved into the heart of the galaxy, then who did it. Can't be Cerberus because it would take hundreds of fleets to move Omega. Logical explination the Reapers moved it.

Harbinger is waiting for Shepard on Omega. When Shepard is about to win Harbinger will unleash is plan, and Shepard will have to make a chocie. Save Omega, or save Aria and her fleet.

Or Either the star system, or Omega.

You see Harbinger will Destroy the Omega four relay, or he will Destroy Omega. What you will choice is up to you.

Harbinger: " Prepare yourselfs for the arrival."

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ajk_Jack wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Writers often giver meaning and purpose to names of places, characters of items, and the writers of ME are no different. That Aria one is subtle and really cool. A couple of my favorites are the obvious ones: Shepard and Harbinger.


Well, the Shepard thing is becoming a bad cliche. John and Jane are generic.

Generic, but passable. 


It appears to have been chosen because

1. It IS generic. Shepard IS generic until the player molds him/her into something unique.

2. The allusion to Alan Shepard, which has been confirmed as being intentional.

3. Perhaps a biblical allusion, as BioWare had some not-so-subtle parallels to Jesus and some religious name allusions in ME2.

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Home run MF wrote...

Guys are you saying Omega jumped through the Omega 4 relay?

Nope...
I'm not even saying Omega has been moved to the galactic core...
I'm saying it is one possibility...

masster blaster wrote...

Actually if Omega was moved into the heart of the galaxy, then who did it. Can't be Cerberus because it would take hundreds of fleets to move Omega.

We don't know what it takes to move Omega...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 octobre 2012 - 03:29 .


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401 Kill wrote...

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I got sick of the generic garrus one I had and that pic uploading trick never seems to work for me.

Tell me about it, I sent my custom avatars to my online profile a week ago, and it still hasn't worked yet. So I synced ME2 up to my account instead today, and found this great photo. I think its better than the other one that I previously had (though, not better than the custom one that I want).

You should keep trying to upload a custom one. Sorry I wasn't much help last time. Did you try doing the whole thing over? Did you make your custom picture the proper size?

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The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?

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Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?

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byne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?


Isn't the citadel a relay itself?

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I always did wonder how a relay could go through a relay.

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Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?


Isn't the citadel a relay itself?


Yeah, but relays cant transport themselves, so it had to have gone through one.

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byne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?

Didn't see it warp in...
Though relay was a probable mode...
FTL would have taken too long. Unless it can transport itself by itself...
Relay more likely...

Is there a Mass limit on what a Relay can transport?

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 octobre 2012 - 04:01 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

byne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?

Didn't see it warp in...
Though relay was a probable mode...
FTL would have taken too long. Unless it can transport itself by itself...

Is there a Mass limit on what a Relay can transport?


I dont know.

It always kind of bugged me that no one was ever surprised that the Citadel could be moved. Everyone acted like that was common knowledge. They were surpised that it had been moved, but not that it could be moved.

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That's really pedantic, honestly...

If they're shocked and say "It's been moved!?!" you don't really need them to say "I didn't even know that was possible!"


If they're shocked that it had been moved, it's pretty much implied...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 octobre 2012 - 04:09 .


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byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The largest known object to be transported via Mass Relay is the Crucible, correct?


The Citadel is bigger than the Crucible, isnt it?


Isn't the citadel a relay itself?


Yeah, but relays cant transport themselves, so it had to have gone through one.

Yeah, I was always wondering how they got it there so fast.

Knock-knock.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 octobre 2012 - 04:06 .


#36195
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I was shocked when the Reapers moved the Citadel. It kind of worried me that our fleets would be crushed if just one Reaper would have moved the Citadel all by itself.

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Home run MF wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Guys are you saying Omega jumped through the Omega 4 relay?


We're implying it was towed.

EDIT: top, ha.

You know the Relays connect systems that are light years away right?


You can tow a space station through a relay. It's not like towing an entire planet.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Knock-knock.


York who?

#36198
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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Knock-knock.


York who?

Your catch!

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Knock-knock.


York who?

Your catch!


Jolly good old chap. :D

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

Guys are you saying Omega jumped through the Omega 4 relay?


We're implying it was towed.

EDIT: top, ha.

You know the Relays connect systems that are light years away right?


You can tow a space station through a relay. It's not like towing an entire planet.

I don't know. Remember the asteroid in Arrival? It was much smaller than the Citadel and it wasn't trasnported. (Yes, I know size has nothing to do with mass.) Though, that is probably because the asteroid didn't calculate its mass right. Posted Image

TOP! :D

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 19 octobre 2012 - 04:19 .