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byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

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No, I won't give in, I refuse to give up hope! 

Alright, if IT is correct, I'll always choose Destroy.  If Literalism is correct, I'll make Shepards with each ending just so I can see how everything plays out in future games.  I want to see how BioWare is going to be able to pull off a game that accounts for all four possible endings.


Easy, but not making a game post ME3. SInce they admitted that there's no canon ending, they pretty much killed any posiibility of this.

Future ME games will be prequels.


Not a good business plan


Mass Effect: First Contact!

Experience the conflict sparked by the Relay 314 Incident, known by humanity as the First Contact War! Your weapons are worse! Your biotics are worse! You're basically just fleeing from turians who are destroying entire city blocks just to try and smush you like a bu
g! No matter how well you play, you still lose the war!

Cmon, who wouldnt play that?

Though, without picking a canon ending, I dont see how its possible to go forward. Yknow, unless none of the endings really happened or something...

:whistle:

Or if they decided to go with the destroy endings, because that's the only ending with potential for future conflict.

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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So, as the selfish meme theory says, the main enemy of Mass Effect is, indeed, indoctrination. What if this is true? And how would it be implemented into the game if it turns out that the IT is true?


It will be most likly the next enemy for the future of ME.


Next? It is THE enemy already!

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CoolioThane wrote...

Vigil
Victory
Vendetta

Those vengeful Protheans! Always using v's in their vocabulary! Especially those virtual VIs! Their veriage has such a variety of verbality. I verily think their vernacular is an interesting version, at least versus ours. It's so vivacious! I wonder if their vessels also had V names. Too bad we never asked the veteran Javik during his visit.


Actually I always wondered, vendetta means vengeance and Javik is the avatar of vengeance, isn't he?

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byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...



No, I won't give in, I refuse to give up hope! 

Alright, if IT is correct, I'll always choose Destroy.  If Literalism is correct, I'll make Shepards with each ending just so I can see how everything plays out in future games.  I want to see how BioWare is going to be able to pull off a game that accounts for all four possible endings.


Easy, but not making a game post ME3. SInce they admitted that there's no canon ending, they pretty much killed any posiibility of this.

Future ME games will be prequels.


Not a good business plan


Mass Effect: First Contact!

Experience the conflict sparked by the Relay 314 Incident, known by humanity as the First Contact War! Your weapons are worse! Your biotics are worse! You're basically just fleeing from turians who are destroying entire city blocks just to try and smush you like a bu
g! No matter how well you play, you still lose the war!

Cmon, who wouldnt play that?

Though, without picking a canon ending, I dont see how its possible to go forward. Yknow, unless none of the endings really happened or something...

:whistle:


I'll do you one better.  Your weapons are worse!  Your Biotics no longer exist because they weren't discovered yet!

Oh yes, I'd TOTALLY play that. Posted Image

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well this confirms that Chris is watching our Thread, so maybe he likes IT, and does not want IT to become like the other threads.

STOP!


Geez now I keep thinking you're signing.

"Stop! In the name of IT, before they indoctrinate us!:whistle:" It sounds better in my head.

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Dwailing wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well this confirms that Chris is watching our Thread, so maybe he likes IT, and does not want IT to become like the other threads.


Or maybe he decided to visit because SOMEONE *Looks at Cooliothane* decided to go on a reporting spree.


I didn't though.

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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...



No, I won't give in, I refuse to give up hope! 

Alright, if IT is correct, I'll always choose Destroy.  If Literalism is correct, I'll make Shepards with each ending just so I can see how everything plays out in future games.  I want to see how BioWare is going to be able to pull off a game that accounts for all four possible endings.


Easy, but not making a game post ME3. SInce they admitted that there's no canon ending, they pretty much killed any posiibility of this.

Future ME games will be prequels.


Not a good business plan


Mass Effect: First Contact!

Experience the conflict sparked by the Relay 314 Incident, known by humanity as the First Contact War! Your weapons are worse! Your biotics are worse! You're basically just fleeing from turians who are destroying entire city blocks just to try and smush you like a bu
g! No matter how well you play, you still lose the war!

Cmon, who wouldnt play that?

Though, without picking a canon ending, I dont see how its possible to go forward. Yknow, unless none of the endings really happened or something...

:whistle:


I'll do you one better.  Your weapons are worse!  Your Biotics no longer exist because they weren't discovered yet!

Oh yes, I'd TOTALLY play that. Posted Image


A perfect fit for Anderson as the lead. Who wouldn't want to play as Anderson?

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EpyonX3 wrote...

It wouldn't be the first time. Halo Reach was pretty successful. Then there's God of War: Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta and the promising looking Acension, Deus Ex: HE, Metal Gear Solid 3 and metroid prime are just a few.

A ME prequel about the rachni or contact war seem to be likely possibilities. I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war.


Halo Reach was successful, but the Halo writers have never exactly been too attached to continuity, or explaining things very well.

In Reach, you just accept the fact that despite it taking place before Halo 1, you have better armor and weapons than Master Chief does in Halo 3.

In a Mass Effect game, you wouldnt really accept that.

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Just gonna repost this litte bit since no one commented the first time.

jgibson14352 wrote...

i believe EDI mentions that the IFF protocols have been sent out right before launching priority earth, but correct me if im wrong. if you sabatoge the genophage cure, its also shown that salarian stealth dreadnoughts utilize the reaper IFF in construction.

as for the head of government, the council is alot likethe UN now, just much more respected. killling the council would still leave local and federal governments operating unaffected. as for a moral blow, yes, the citadel falling would be a crushing moral blow, butso is the occupation of all major homeworlds. it comes down to a question of worth. would the reapers sacrifice capital ships to crush moral when they can totally occupy a few homeworlds without losing any
capital ships?


Yeah the Salarian Stealth Dreadnoughts have the Reaper IFF indicating it has been spread in some form.

Butanother thing to remember regarding the Council and the Citadel. The Citadel as the symbol of unity in the galaxy could easily backfire upon the Reapers if they attacked it.

Think about it, both the Asari and Salarians hesitate to enter the war full scale instead focusing on
protecting themselves. If the Reapers struck the Citadel it would be a blow against all the Council races possible causing the Asari and Salarians to immediately strike back.

They still tried to take the Citadel through Cerberus who was not a face of the Reapers and as such could not have caused the same effect.

Off course it might also have been a crippling moral blow, but that is speculation.

Anotherthing to remember is that the Citadel Defense Force could eaisly seal the station should the Reapers attack since the Reapers have no element of suprise. They need someone on board (like Sovereign needed Saren) or they might find themselves pounding the outer shell for years trying to breach it.

This did not seem to hold them back when they moved it to Earth though, but that might be due to a agent on board preventing the station from beeing closed (like TIM) .

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 03 août 2012 - 08:20 .


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EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well this confirms that Chris is watching our Thread, so maybe he likes IT, and does not want IT to become like the other threads.

STOP!


Geez now I keep thinking you're signing.

"Stop! In the name of IT, before they indoctrinate us!:whistle:" It sounds better in my head.


Epyon dont you mean this...?

"STOP RIGHT THERE INDOCTRINATED SCUM!"

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Did you read that? Why this topic has the announcement icon?
http://social.biowar.../index/13486854

Modifié par paxxton, 03 août 2012 - 08:20 .


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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

So, as the selfish meme theory says, the main enemy of Mass Effect is, indeed, indoctrination. What if this is true? And how would it be implemented into the game if it turns out that the IT is true?


It will be most likly the next enemy for the future of ME.

What kinda crap is that?! If the reapers truly are the servants of indoctrination itself, then it will be destroyed along with the reapers. Indoctrination is not an entity that can be defeated.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well this confirms that Chris is watching our Thread, so maybe he likes IT, and does not want IT to become like the other threads.

STOP!


Geez now I keep thinking you're signing.

"Stop! In the name of IT, before they indoctrinate us!:whistle:" It sounds better in my head.


I think you meant singing.

Unless Epyon thinks Estebanus is Shizune...

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[quote]estebanus wrote...

[/quote]Or if they decided to go with the destroy endings, because that's the only ending with potential for future conflict.
[/quote]
Wrong actually. There is conflict in control, and even synthesis according to the slides.

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estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...



No, I won't give in, I refuse to give up hope! 

Alright, if IT is correct, I'll always choose Destroy.  If Literalism is correct, I'll make Shepards with each ending just so I can see how everything plays out in future games.  I want to see how BioWare is going to be able to pull off a game that accounts for all four possible endings.


Easy, but not making a game post ME3. SInce they admitted that there's no canon ending, they pretty much killed any posiibility of this.

Future ME games will be prequels.


Not a good business plan


Mass Effect: First Contact!

Experience the conflict sparked by the Relay 314 Incident, known by humanity as the First Contact War! Your weapons are worse! Your biotics are worse! You're basically just fleeing from turians who are destroying entire city blocks just to try and smush you like a bu
g! No matter how well you play, you still lose the war!

Cmon, who wouldnt play that?

Though, without picking a canon ending, I dont see how its possible to go forward. Yknow, unless none of the endings really happened or something...

:whistle:

Or if they decided to go with the destroy endings, because that's the only ending with potential for future conflict.


Control is too. You think people automatically trust reapers? And based on Shepard's words, he'll be ready to fight anything in order to protect those who can't fight for themselves or destroy those that oppose. There's plenty of potential there.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...



No, I won't give in, I refuse to give up hope! 

Alright, if IT is correct, I'll always choose Destroy.  If Literalism is correct, I'll make Shepards with each ending just so I can see how everything plays out in future games.  I want to see how BioWare is going to be able to pull off a game that accounts for all four possible endings.


Easy, but not making a game post ME3. SInce they admitted that there's no canon ending, they pretty much killed any posiibility of this.

Future ME games will be prequels.


Not a good business plan


Mass Effect: First Contact!

Experience the conflict sparked by the Relay 314 Incident, known by humanity as the First Contact War! Your weapons are worse! Your biotics are worse! You're basically just fleeing from turians who are destroying entire city blocks just to try and smush you like a bu
g! No matter how well you play, you still lose the war!

Cmon, who wouldnt play that?

Though, without picking a canon ending, I dont see how its possible to go forward. Yknow, unless none of the endings really happened or something...

:whistle:


I'll do you one better.  Your weapons are worse!  Your Biotics no longer exist because they weren't discovered yet!

Oh yes, I'd TOTALLY play that. Posted Image


A perfect fit for Anderson as the lead. Who wouldn't want to play as Anderson?


Thatd be awful.

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It wouldn't be the first time. Halo Reach was pretty successful. Then there's God of War: Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta and the promising looking Acension, Deus Ex: HE, Metal Gear Solid 3 and metroid prime are just a few.

A ME prequel about the rachni or contact war seem to be likely possibilities. I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war.


Halo Reach was successful, but the Halo writers have never exactly been too attached to continuity, or explaining things very well.

In Reach, you just accept the fact that despite it taking place before Halo 1, you have better armor and weapons than Master Chief does in Halo 3.

In a Mass Effect game, you wouldnt really accept that.


Well, it's a bit of Fridge Brilliance when you realize that Reach was the home to MANY prototype weapons that were destroyed when it was.

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paxxton wrote...

Did you read that? Why this topic has an announcement icon?
http://social.biowar.../index/13486854

So that the motherf*cker who wrote that page can eat mountains of crow if it turns out that leviathan in fact changes the endings.

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you read that? Why this topic has an announcement icon?
http://social.biowar.../index/13486854

So that the motherf*cker who wrote that page can eat mountains of crow if it turns out that leviathan in fact changes the endings.


Ouch, I feel VERY sorry for the poor shisno who started that thread now.

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estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you read that? Why this topic has an announcement icon?
http://social.biowar.../index/13486854

So that the motherf*cker who wrote that page can eat mountains of crow if it turns out that leviathan in fact changes the endings.

What?
Isn't that icon given by moderators? There might be something to it.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Just gonna repost this litte bit since no one commented the first time.

jgibson14352 wrote...

i believe EDI mentions that the IFF protocols have been sent out right before launching priority earth, but correct me if im wrong. if you sabatoge the genophage cure, its also shown that salarian stealth dreadnoughts utilize the reaper IFF in construction.

as for the head of government, the council is alot likethe UN now, just much more respected. killling the council would still leave local and federal governments operating unaffected. as for a moral blow, yes, the citadel falling would be a crushing moral blow, butso is the occupation of all major homeworlds. it comes down to a question of worth. would the reapers sacrifice capital ships to crush moral when they can totally occupy a few homeworlds without losing any
capital ships?


Yeah the Salarian Stealth Dreadnoughts have the Reaper IFF indicating it has been spread in some form.

Butanother thing to remember regarding the Council and the Citadel. The Citadel as the symbol of unity in the galaxy could easily backfire upon the Reapers if they attacked it.

Think about it, both the Asari and Salarians hesitate to enter the war full scale instead focusing on
protecting themselves. If the Reapers struck the Citadel it would be a blow against all the Council races possible causing the Asari and Salarians to immediately strike back.

They still tried to take the Citadel through Cerberus who was not a face of the Reapers and as such could not have caused the same effect.

Off course it might also have been a crippling moral blow, but that is speculation.

Anotherthing to remember is that the Citadel Defense Force could eaisly seal the station should the Reapers attack since the Reapers have no element of suprise. They need someone on board (like Sovereign needed Saren) or they might find themselves pounding the outer shell for years trying to breach it.

This did not seem to hold them back when they moved it to Earth though, but that might be due to a agent on board preventing the station from beeing closed (like TIM) .

I liked it. I also love the salarian war tactics. Stealth dreadnaughts with thanix cannons and a reaper IFF? They don't hold back because of costs huh?

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Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Did you read that? Why this topic has an announcement icon?
http://social.biowar.../index/13486854

So that the motherf*cker who wrote that page can eat mountains of crow if it turns out that leviathan in fact changes the endings.


Ouch, I feel VERY sorry for the poor shisno who started that thread now.

No point. He isn't wrong yet.

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It wouldn't be the first time. Halo Reach was pretty successful. Then there's God of War: Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta and the promising looking Acension, Deus Ex: HE, Metal Gear Solid 3 and metroid prime are just a few.

A ME prequel about the rachni or contact war seem to be likely possibilities. I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war.


Halo Reach was successful, but the Halo writers have never exactly been too attached to continuity, or explaining things very well.

In Reach, you just accept the fact that despite it taking place before Halo 1, you have better armor and weapons than Master Chief does in Halo 3.

In a Mass Effect game, you wouldnt really accept that.


Of course not. I found that Armor thing weird myself but didn't really care since my interest in Halo declined somewhere in the middle of 3.

But I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war. It'll work great, since he has no biotics or seems to use any super armor. I'd like his three part series to include the contact war, his run in with Saren and being shafted out of the Spectre position and ending with him giving Shepard command of the Normandy.

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You know there is only one thing that I thought was weird in Destroy, where are the synthetics being created, and why do we not see they cycle starting all over again.

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Well this confirms that Chris is watching our Thread, so maybe he likes IT, and does not want IT to become like the other threads.

STOP!


Geez now I keep thinking you're signing.

"Stop! In the name of IT, before they indoctrinate us!:whistle:" It sounds better in my head.


I think you meant singing.

Unless Epyon thinks Estebanus is Shizune...


Yes. I type too fast sometimes.