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[BansheeOwnage]

Ytook wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

As I said, it's not an open ending though. Open endings still conclude the plot even though they leave questions unanswered. Angel was an open ending, and that was the main characters about to fight a giant demon army, but that fit the themes and still finished the actual plot first. This isn't an open end, it's a cliffhanger.

Indeed. You create an open ending by by leaving a single thread dangling which if pulled may cause the rest to fall apart (ala inception). Or by undermining something previously established and leaving questions unanswered (ala Bladerunner). You do not do it by simply stopping the story.

I know there are those who argue that with IT the ending is still an ending but I completely disagree, I love IT and untill the EC I was convinced it was intended, I still hold out some hope that it's what Bioware intended and where the story is going, but by its very definition it's not an ending. So if after all this there really is no expansion to the ending using IT then we either have the god awful literal ending or no ending at all with IT, I really don't know which I prefer.

My personal opinion is IT's no ending is better, simply because it actually makes sense. Neither have what I want, closure, so I'll take the one that makes more sense.

[spotlessvoid]

The fact that a lot of very dedicated IT supporters still have serious doubts should tell Bioware something. We're taking about people who have poured their hearts into a theory for 7 months that still question whether it's true. That tells me it's too ambiguous. If Bioware doesn't want to do IT DLC (or can't because they don't know where to go post breath scene) then they really really ought to throw out some serious clues. Screw the ambiguity. The EC HEAVILY favored literal. I know literalist are made fun of as needing their hands held, but you know what? If you can make a dlc dedicated to literal (yes I know it didn't kill IT) interpretation than they can throw us a damn bone. And not stupid crap like in.ctrn8 or "conspiracy theorist." I feel like I've been defending them for 7 months. If you're not going to give closure post breath scene then at least make it clear that IT is your double meaning. You're asking your most dedicated fans to accept the absolute least. And if it truly was meant to be permanently open ended then only literal getting elaboration is a slap in the face to IT.

And if no IT DLC then it's really wrong for Mike Gamble to let everyone keep their hopes up by refusing to answer the question. I could have mostly accepted the open ending months ago. But if they let peoples hopes drag out for a year...well that's just straight up mean. That's not how you treat loving loyal fans. If Mike or Casey came out and confirmed no IT DLC, i think most would be disappointed but would accept it. Many would probably even get to the point Bill Casey is at. But not a year of false hope.

Unnecessary or not, most hope for IT DLC. Its time to put that hope to rest if it isn't happening. Community managers not in the know and who are often wrong/told to deny obviously aren't enough. One of the "big three" needs to admit it isn't happening before people end up feeling totally betrayed

[RavenEyry]

On the topic of favourite boss fights: -Cynthia from pokemon gen 4, one of the hardest but also most satisfying final battles in a pokemon game.
-First fight with Barthendelus in FF13 was unexpected and awesome, even though I dislike the battle system in that game (though I like the plot more than most).
-Oddly enough, the first boss in the Toy Story 2 liscensed game always sticks in my mind. You had to run circles around it until it gets tired before you can hurt it. There is no indication of this so it surprises you when it first falls asleep as you run for dear life.

[paxxton]

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BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 11:49 .

[Smeffects]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Unnecessary or not, most hope for IT DLC. Its time to put that hope to rest if it isn't happening. Community managers not in the know and who are often wrong/told to deny obviously aren't enough. One of the "big three" needs to admit it isn't happening before people end up feeling totally betrayed

They did multiple times, people refuse to take their answer literally and believe they are just missleading people.

-Shepard story is over.
-There will be no new endings.

And most recent.
-Shepard wont be in the next mass effect game.
-This triology is over.

If you still hope for IT to conclude, not sure what to tell you. They given you enough info about the future of mass effect to know IT will never be touched. They dont need to adress IT directly, they already confirmed multiple times it will not be happening, because anything shepard related will not happen.

[KyreneZA]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

My personal opinion is IT's no ending is better, simply because it actually makes sense. Neither have what I want, closure, so I'll take the one that makes more sense.

And at least we can head-canon the post-breath events any way we want. My personal take is that Shepard still dies. The cycle still ends in total victory for the Reapers, but the galaxy under a resistant Shepard deals them enough of a blow, and/or they find and kill the last of the Leviathans, making it the last one ever.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
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BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

They said that there will be no more Shepard. That's pretty final. No cameo, no big role in the universe. The commander's story is over.

Plus, they also said that they don't even know what frame they wabt to put it in, meaning it'll probably have no connection to the reaper war.

[MaximizedAction]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The fact that a lot of very dedicated IT supporters still have serious doubts should tell Bioware something. We're taking about people who have poured their hearts into a theory for 7 months that still question whether it's true. That tells me it's too ambiguous. If Bioware doesn't want to do IT DLC (or can't because they don't know where to go post breath scene) then they really really ought to throw out some serious clues. Screw the ambiguity. The EC HEAVILY favored literal. I know literalist are made fun of as needing their hands held, but you know what? If you can make a dlc dedicated to literal (yes I know it didn't kill IT) interpretation than they can throw us a damn bone. And not stupid crap like in.ctrn8 or "conspiracy theorist." I feel like I've been defending them for 7 months. If you're not going to give closure post breath scene then at least make it clear that IT is your double meaning. You're asking your most dedicated fans to accept the absolute least. And if it truly was meant to be permanently open ended then only literal getting elaboration is a slap in the face to IT.

And if no IT DLC then it's really wrong for Mike Gamble to let everyone keep their hopes up by refusing to answer the question. I could have mostly accepted the open ending months ago. But if they let peoples hopes drag out for a year...well that's just straight up mean. That's not how you treat loving loyal fans. If Mike or Casey came out and confirmed no IT DLC, i think most would be disappointed but would accept it. Many would probably even get to the point Bill Casey is at. But not a year of false hope.

Unnecessary or not, most hope for IT DLC. Its time to put that hope to rest if it isn't happening. Community managers not in the know and who are often wrong/told to deny obviously aren't enough. One of the "big three" needs to admit it isn't happening before people end up feeling totally betrayed

I agree of course. But March isn't that far away anymore. So, in some way, I'm looking forward to March in either case, IT DLC or not. It'll be a jolly time.

[demersel]

I would like to see the the source of that claim. ))

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
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BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

They said that there will be no more Shepard. That's pretty final. No cameo, no big role in the universe. The commander's story is over.

Plus, they also said that they don't even know what frame they wabt to put it in, meaning it'll probably have no connection to the reaper war.

But if they read my post, maybe they'll pick up on the idea.  Cameo or being an antagonist would be quite fine and would provide for introduction of a new hero. Also, it wouldn't require shifting the timeframe into a distant past or future.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
https://twitter.com/...251290020904960

BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

They said that there will be no more Shepard. That's pretty final. No cameo, no big role in the universe. The commander's story is over.

Plus, they also said that they don't even know what frame they wabt to put it in, meaning it'll probably have no connection to the reaper war.

Can only speculate what it will be about. Galactic instability maybe? And when (the timeline)... I hope post-ME3, anything before hand we'll know Reapers wipe things out at the end. That's no fun.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 19 octobre 2012 - 12:10 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

I would like to see the the source of that claim. ))

It's just 2 clicks away, in Gamespot's article.

[demersel]

 "BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas confirmed to VG247 that Shepard's story is finished, and the captain will not be featured in Mass Effect 4, or whatever the next entry in the series is titled."

Who the hell is he? and bioware montreal is the studio that is making ME multiplayer, so how would he know in the first place? 

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

 "BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas confirmed to VG247 that Shepard's story is finished, and the captain will not be featured in Mass Effect 4, or whatever the next entry in the series is titled."

Who the hell is he? and bioware montreal is the studio that is making ME multiplayer, so how would he know in the first place? 

BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas. I dunno how he knows it but he seems to be in the know.

[Eryri]

demersel wrote...

 "BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas confirmed to VG247 that Shepard's story is finished, and the captain will not be featured in Mass Effect 4, or whatever the next entry in the series is titled."

Who the hell is he? and bioware montreal is the studio that is making ME multiplayer, so how would he know in the first place? 

And just who is this "Captain Shepard" to whom you refer Gamespot?

[ajk_Jack]

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
https://twitter.com/...251290020904960

BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

I'd like to see how they would do this. The 'there will be no Shepard 2' is particulary interesting to me. What could this new playable character be like?

[Leonia]

Not sure how this is news, they said a LONG time ago that this is the end of the Shepard trilogy. Pretty sure that means no more Shepard. Could mean anything for IT though.

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

demersel wrote...

 "BioWare Montreal producer Fabrice Condominas confirmed to VG247 that Shepard's story is finished, and the captain will not be featured in Mass Effect 4, or whatever the next entry in the series is titled."

Who the hell is he? and bioware montreal is the studio that is making ME multiplayer, so how would he know in the first place? 

And just who is this "Captain Shepard" to whom you refer Gamespot?

Yeah, that one is suspicious. Don't they know Shepard is the Commander?

[Eryri]

ajk_Jack wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
https://twitter.com/...251290020904960

BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

I'd like to see how they would do this. The 'there will be no Shepard 2' is particulary interesting to me. What could this new playable character be like?

If they actually finish Shepard's story first then I might be interested in this. 

[paxxton]

ajk_Jack wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
https://twitter.com/...251290020904960

BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

I'd like to see how they would do this. The 'there will be no Shepard 2' is particulary interesting to me. What could this new playable character be like?

Maybe we'll get to see the war from a Reaper perspective.

[ajk_Jack]

Eryri wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Twitter news!
https://twitter.com/...251290020904960

BioWare says Shepard is no more and prepares a completely new "context" (story?) for Mass Effect 4.

Shepard might get a cameo in ME4 though.

So maybe Shepard gets indoctrinated in ME3 and becomes the new antagonist of ME4.

I'd like to see how they would do this. The 'there will be no Shepard 2' is particulary interesting to me. What could this new playable character be like?

If they actually finish Shepard's story first then I might be interested in this. 

Assuming nothing else is done with the ending, then yes, Shepard better make an appearence in ME4 or, as paxxton said, as an antagonist. However, speculation of whether anything will be done to finish Shepard's story obviously remains to be seen.

[ajk_Jack]

paxxton wrote...


Maybe we'll get to see the war from a Reaper perspective.

That's likely. It would shed even more light on things, especially if future DLC for ME3 doesn't.

[Eryri]

ajk_Jack wrote...

Assuming nothing else is done with the ending, then yes, Shepard better make an appearence in ME4 or, as paxxton said, as an antagonist. However, speculation of whether anything will be done to finish Shepard's story obviously remains to be seen.

Or as a mentor character like Anderson? Shepard could be a hard-ass to your new character if you played as a renegade and import your save, or a supportive father / mother figure if you played as paragon maybe?

In any event I doubt I will be able to get emotionally invested in a new character if I'm constantly worrying that s/he's going to get electrocuted / disintegrated / engulfed in flame / buried in rubble, or whatever inventively sadistic death the writing team can dream up at the end.

Modifié par Eryri, 19 octobre 2012 - 12:46 .

[TSA_383]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Indeed, the Proto Reaper may have been easy but it was also epic due to the music and sheer scope.

Off topic question now that we are talking about boss battles: Which are some of your favorite boss battles?

In my case Dark Samus in Metroid Prime 3 on the Hypermode difficulty is my favorite. Not a hard battle on the lower difficulties, but on Hypermode the battle is so much harder and the motion controls of the game coupled with the first person view makes for an intense fight,

Another favorite of mine is the last boss of Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. Wont go into details for any who havent played, but the setting and gameplay of the battle is quite simple but beatiful and fitting as well. Also it is tough as nails playing a Hero mode playthrough.

To be honest, I haven't actually had many boss fights. The one at the end of ME3 was cool though. I hated the last enemy in ME3! It felt great to kill him!

That's a quote from something I posted ages back 

Bill Casey wrote...

The whole scene is surreal as hell...
The characters jump all over the place, The Illusive Man turns around twice at the beginning, Anderson falls to the ground twice at the end, Anderson breaks the fourth wall, etc...

That's beside the whispers, oily screen tendrils, time dilated reaper noises, I need you to believe, etc...

Yeeeeah, but don't forget, we have nothing to support our claims <_<

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Assuming nothing else is done with the ending, then yes, Shepard better make an appearence in ME4 or, as paxxton said, as an antagonist. However, speculation of whether anything will be done to finish Shepard's story obviously remains to be seen.

Or as a mentor character like Anderson? Shepard could be a hard-ass to your new character if you played as a renegade and import your save, or a supportive father / mother figure if you played as paragon maybe?

In any event I doubt I will be able to get emotionally invested in a new character if I'm constantly worrying that s/he's going to get electrocuted / disintegrated / engulfed in flame / buried in rubble, or whatever inventively sadistic death the writing team can dream up at the end.

Shepard is no mentor. He's a soldier born to fight, either against or for the Reapers.