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[MegumiAzusa]

btw still no thoughts from anyone to

http://www.youtube.c...FrDsKo#t=44m27s
http://www.youtube.c...pmHZ4#t=1h7m31s
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[smokingotter1]

Something that always bugged me about the Cerberus soldier unmasked his eyes. Than I thought, what if it's a warning?


Enchance Moar!!!!



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Are we looking at this?

[paxxton]

Look closely. Those eyes look like mini dream sequence transitions.

[Lakeshow1986]

The final piece of DLC will hopefully conclude Shepard's story better than the end of ME3. I like the ending basically because of IT but if the last thing we see/hear of shepard is in some unknown location ontop of rubble without so much as an explaination I won't be impressed.

I mean, Bioware can do what they want, and i will buy their next game regardless of the outcome of ME3 and it's DLC but the ending was anything BUT a conclusion.

[smokingotter1]

paxxton wrote...

Look closely. Those eyes look like mini dream sequence transitions.

True, another warning. Also if you watch control ending again (I must have watched in a dozen times) at first Shepard is in immense pain grabbing the control rods.... he kneels than gets back up and grabs them again, this time no pain. 

"Pain is an illusion" -Harbinger

Edit: also she blinks twice as she grabs onto it again, little touch to bring the audience's attention to her eyes which now look like TIM's for some reason. Nod nod, wink wink*

Modifié par smokingotter1, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:16 .

[paxxton]

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Look closely. Those eyes look like mini dream sequence transitions.

True, another warning. Also if you watch control ending again (I must have watched in a dozen times) at first Shepard is in immense pain grabbing the control rods.... he kneels than gets back up and grabs them again, this time no pain. 

"Pain is an illusion" -Harbinger

Edit: also she blinks twice as she grabs onto it again, little touch to bring the audience's attention to her eyes which now look like TIM's for some reason. Nod nod, wink wink*

Pain is an illusion because it's an electric signal sent by a body part to the brain. Since Shepard's bodily form dissolves/burns, he ascends to a new form of existence where pain is nothing but a memory from another life. Good catch.

[Dwailing]

smokingotter1 wrote...

Something that always bugged me about the Cerberus soldier unmasked his eyes. Than I thought, what if it's a warning?

*snip*
Enchance Moar!!!!

*snip*

*snip* '
Are we looking at this?

Huh, that's rather interesting.  And when you consider that the camera is the eyes of the player...  Holy crap.  I think BioWare is trying to indoctrinate the PLAYERS! :D:P

[MegumiAzusa]

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

The final piece of DLC will hopefully conclude Shepard's story better than the end of ME3. I like the ending basically because of IT but if the last thing we see/hear of shepard is in some unknown location ontop of rubble without so much as an explaination I won't be impressed.

I mean, Bioware can do what they want, and i will buy their next game regardless of the outcome of ME3 and it's DLC but the ending was anything BUT a conclusion.

Good thing most people here didn't witness the "epic conclusion" that was Command and Conquer 4 xD

[Dwailing]

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Look closely. Those eyes look like mini dream sequence transitions.

True, another warning. Also if you watch control ending again (I must have watched in a dozen times) at first Shepard is in immense pain grabbing the control rods.... he kneels than gets back up and grabs them again, this time no pain. 

"Pain is an illusion" -Harbinger

Edit: also she blinks twice as she grabs onto it again, little touch to bring the audience's attention to her eyes which now look like TIM's for some reason. Nod nod, wink wink*

Eh, I don't know how much BLINKING has to do with this.  It could just be a coincidence.  However, the TIM eyes are anything but.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Something that always bugged me about the Cerberus soldier unmasked his eyes. Than I thought, what if it's a warning?

*snip*
Enchance Moar!!!!

*snip*

*snip* '
Are we looking at this?

Huh, that's rather interesting.  And when you consider that the camera is the eyes of the player...  Holy crap.  I think BioWare is trying to indoctrinate the PLAYERS! :D:P

Hence the full-screen dream transition.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

The final piece of DLC will hopefully conclude Shepard's story better than the end of ME3. I like the ending basically because of IT but if the last thing we see/hear of shepard is in some unknown location ontop of rubble without so much as an explaination I won't be impressed.

I mean, Bioware can do what they want, and i will buy their next game regardless of the outcome of ME3 and it's DLC but the ending was anything BUT a conclusion.

Good thing most people here didn't witness the "epic conclusion" that was Command and Conquer 4 xD

Hey!  I enjoyed CnC4.  It wasn't the best game ever made, but it wasn't terrible.  And you have to admit, it DID conclude the Kane saga.

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

The final piece of DLC will hopefully conclude Shepard's story better than the end of ME3. I like the ending basically because of IT but if the last thing we see/hear of shepard is in some unknown location ontop of rubble without so much as an explaination I won't be impressed.

I mean, Bioware can do what they want, and i will buy their next game regardless of the outcome of ME3 and it's DLC but the ending was anything BUT a conclusion.

Good thing most people here didn't witness the "epic conclusion" that was Command and Conquer 4 xD

Hey!  I enjoyed CnC4.  It wasn't the best game ever made, but it wasn't terrible.  And you have to admit, it DID conclude the Kane saga.

The way it did was rather meh, especially after TW and KW pointing towards a massive Scrin invasion. As a game it was quite ok, not my cup of tea when it came to gameplay but it wasn't bad either. I just had a problem with the story which was too much a break from the older Tiberium games, I mean any Tiberium broke the rules older ones set up, but CnC4 broke a bit too much.

[Dwailing]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Lakeshow1986 wrote...

The final piece of DLC will hopefully conclude Shepard's story better than the end of ME3. I like the ending basically because of IT but if the last thing we see/hear of shepard is in some unknown location ontop of rubble without so much as an explaination I won't be impressed.

I mean, Bioware can do what they want, and i will buy their next game regardless of the outcome of ME3 and it's DLC but the ending was anything BUT a conclusion.

Good thing most people here didn't witness the "epic conclusion" that was Command and Conquer 4 xD

Hey!  I enjoyed CnC4.  It wasn't the best game ever made, but it wasn't terrible.  And you have to admit, it DID conclude the Kane saga.

The way it did was rather meh, especially after TW and KW pointing towards a massive Scrin invasion. As a game it was quite ok, not my cup of tea when it came to gameplay but it wasn't bad either. I just had a problem with the story which was too much a break from the older Tiberium games, I mean any Tiberium broke the rules older ones set up, but CnC4 broke a bit too much.

I agree that the story wasn't as good as it could be.  And making a major gameplay shift on the last game isn't the best idea (That's why Crysis and Mass Effect did it on their second games. ).  Still, I prefer macrostrategy to microstrategy, so in that respect it was easier for me to play CnC4 than any of the previous games.

[Dwailing]

Anyway, about ME4. I don't know if I'm going to buy it or not. If it doesn't provide answers, then I probably won't buy it. If it does provide answers, or the answers are provided in ME3 DLC, then it's a must buy for me.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:31 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

Anyway, about ME4. I don't know if I'm going to buy it or not. If it doesn't provide answers, then I probably won't buy it. If it does provide answers, or the answers are provided in ME3 DLC, then it's a must buy for me.

Would be interesting if you would play an AI that just awakened.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw still no thoughts from anyone to

http://www.youtube.c...FrDsKo#t=44m27s
http://www.youtube.c...pmHZ4#t=1h7m31s
?

The first one is about a Volus being nervous about his first session with the Consort and the second one about a human having the feeling of being called to it.

I guess the more interesting part is what the assistents have to say. I'd say they sound a bit too enthusiastic about going somewhere one rather feels uncomfortable about - might as well be someone hallucinating a happy place. If they were with the Reapers, I'd scream "Indoctrination"!

On the other hand, we're not exactly told explicitly what the consort does. And if I recall Hellish' videos, where he suggested that BW placed hints of Reaper indoc. without 'saying' it out loud.
And since it fits indoc. I might as well wonder: could the Consort (including her assistents) be a tool of the Reapers, some sort of double agent, who accelerates the indoc. process that seems to be going on on the Citadel?

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:34 .

[FifthBeatle]

Dwailing wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Something that always bugged me about the Cerberus soldier unmasked his eyes. Than I thought, what if it's a warning?

*snip*
Enchance Moar!!!!

*snip*

*snip* '
Are we looking at this?

Huh, that's rather interesting.  And when you consider that the camera is the eyes of the player...  Holy crap.  I think BioWare is trying to indoctrinate the PLAYERS! :D:P

Exactly. I think that part gets lost in all of our speculating. Remember that it is the play that CONTROLS Shepard, so they only way to indoctrinate Shepard is to indoctrinate us. 

To me, that is the brilliance of the ending.

[TSA_383]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw still no thoughts from anyone to

http://www.youtube.c...FrDsKo#t=44m27s
http://www.youtube.c...pmHZ4#t=1h7m31s
?

The first one is about a Volus being nervous about his first session with the Consort and the second one about a human having the feeling of being called to it.

I guess the more interesting part is what the assistents have to say. I'd say they sound a bit too enthusiastic about going somewhere one rather feels uncomfortable about - might as well be someone hallucinating a happy place. If they were with the Reapers, I'd scream "Indoctrination"!

On the other hand, we're not exactly told explicitly what the consort does. And if I recall Hellish' videos, where he suggested that BW placed hints of Reaper indoc. without 'saying' it out loud.
And since it fits indoc. I might as well wonder: could the Consort (including her assistents) be a tool of the Reapers, some sort of double agent, who accelerates the indoc. process that seems to be going on on the Citadel?

Consort could be a reaper plant or even a Leviathan plant...
She gets close to a lot of important political leaders, and clearly has some sort of subliminal control over them.
Reminds me of the whole "indoctrination booster" thing, and I'm forced to wonder whether the Leviathans can do that too.

[paxxton]

Off topic. I've stumbled upon this video while searching for AI on YouTube.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .

[paxxton]

Shepard doesn't exist!!! Therefore Mass Effect is all a dream from the beginning to the end.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:48 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

spotlessvoid wrote...

(...) they can throw us a damn bone. And not stupid crap like in.ctrn8 or "conspiracy theorist." I feel like I've been defending them for 7 months. If you're not going to give closure post breath scene then at least make it clear that IT is your double meaning. You're asking your most dedicated fans to accept the absolute least. And if it truly was meant to be permanently open ended then only literal getting elaboration is a slap in the face to IT.

What? Did we play the same DLC?

Dude, they gave us a mind control scene which exactly mirrors the beginning of the decision chamber scene. And then they told us Leviathans can read our minds, build illusions from our memories, and the Reapers do all of that even better because they perfected the technique.

That's basically Bioware saying 'HAI GUYS, THE ENDING CAN BE AN ILLUSION, SEE?'

If that isn't Bioware throwing us a bone, I don't know what is.

To me, Leviathan absolutely, 100% took my doubts away. It convinced me that IT was absolutely their intention.

They could hardly do more than that without explicitly telling us that IT is true.

If Leviathan didn't end your doubts, I honestly don't know what will.

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw still no thoughts from anyone to

http://www.youtube.c...FrDsKo#t=44m27s
http://www.youtube.c...pmHZ4#t=1h7m31s
?

The first one is about a Volus being nervous about his first session with the Consort and the second one about a human having the feeling of being called to it.

I guess the more interesting part is what the assistents have to say. I'd say they sound a bit too enthusiastic about going somewhere one rather feels uncomfortable about - might as well be someone hallucinating a happy place. If they were with the Reapers, I'd scream "Indoctrination"!

On the other hand, we're not exactly told explicitly what the consort does. And if I recall Hellish' videos, where he suggested that BW placed hints of Reaper indoc. without 'saying' it out loud.
And since it fits indoc. I might as well wonder: could the Consort (including her assistents) be a tool of the Reapers, some sort of double agent, who accelerates the indoc. process that seems to be going on on the Citadel?

Ah finally someone gets it (after 3 tries of posting this in these threads)
Though what is interesting for the Volus conversation is that he says while sounding genuinely baffled "Exactly... That's just what I was thinking." but he really said it in a tone that it sounds he don't just say even if it was just similar but as if he was thinking the exact same words, it's the same tone the Cerberus guys had on the derelict Reaper when they more or less realized they shared memories.
Spoken with FFZero about it lately and we came to the conclusion with Leviathan it actually looks more like they control the Consort, but before it still was clear (at least to me) she was influencing others. Also it's straight up said she is influenced when giving you the relic that unlocks the vision on the planet. There are a few other statements from the Consort herself that are a bit more interesting when combined with the context of both these conversations.
It just pains me you have to name Hellish' videos for your argument as after the infodump we get on indoctrination we get on Eden Prime (there's much more than shown in the video) and some other occurrences it should be quite clear without, though I'm highly biased against his videos because of his policies with them, also they failed to bring something new so far which was brought up for both released, and after release he always said "the new stuff comes in the next one".

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 19 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .

[Restrider]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

btw still no thoughts from anyone to

http://www.youtube.c...FrDsKo#t=44m27s
http://www.youtube.c...pmHZ4#t=1h7m31s
?

The first one is about a Volus being nervous about his first session with the Consort and the second one about a human having the feeling of being called to it.

I guess the more interesting part is what the assistents have to say. I'd say they sound a bit too enthusiastic about going somewhere one rather feels uncomfortable about - might as well be someone hallucinating a happy place. If they were with the Reapers, I'd scream "Indoctrination"!

On the other hand, we're not exactly told explicitly what the consort does. And if I recall Hellish' videos, where he suggested that BW placed hints of Reaper indoc. without 'saying' it out loud.
And since it fits indoc. I might as well wonder: could the Consort (including her assistents) be a tool of the Reapers, some sort of double agent, who accelerates the indoc. process that seems to be going on on the Citadel?

Regarding the Consort and her reward after dealing with General Oraka:
Am I right to assume that the sex scene actually never really happened? She hugs you and then you are fooling around in her bed in sea shell form, while your squadmates are present...really? No!
That was just an illusion during a mind meld, if you ask me.
And I think that is one of her services.
What this has to do with indoctrination? I don't know... just a thing I wanted to know more about.

On a totally different note:
Has anyone of you wondered that throughout the series the characters showing sociopathic and/or psychopathic traits are usually Asari? A short list:

- Nassana Dantius and her sister (featured in ME 1 and especially in ME 2)
- Aria T'Loak
- Morinth
- Jonah Sederis
- Tela Vasir
- Elnora
- Wasea
- Cpt. Enyala
- and of course the whole bunch of indoctrinated Asari on peak 15 (but that doesn't really count)

Of course there are a lot of "bad" Krogans and Batarians out there aswell, but from the Council races, the Asari really have a special spot in "sociopathy".

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
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It just pains me you have to name Hellish' videos for your argument as after the infodump we get on indoctrination we get on Eden Prime (there's much more than shown in the video) and some other occurrences it should be quite clear without, though I'm highly biased against his videos because of his policies with them, also they failed to bring something new so far which was brought up for both released, and after release he always said "the new stuff comes in the next one".

I referenced his videos because I find it somehow more memorable when I hear someone say something out loud or in picture rather than having read it. Of course things that are said out loud have been written prior to that. So indeed, among many other things, 'clues hidden throughout the trilogy' has been mentioned already in the Mark I thread. I just found that more people will rather agree if it was in a video.

Personally, I don't care who was the first, also I don't really adore most IT videos except for the avoycovocos...vocos's video - mostly because they contain comment, and commented videos tend to lose objectivity for some reason.

Anyway, it could be possible that the Consort is influenced by the Leviathan. It could also be that the Volus also felt a calling that lured him there, and now that you wrote it, it does remind me a bit of the Cerberus logvids on the Derelict Reaper.
From a logical/mathematical point of view: the Consort/assistents being under Reaper/Leviathan influence is sufficient for what we hear the NPCs saying. It's not neccessarily an explaination but it's enough to explain it.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 octobre 2012 - 03:13 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

On a totally different note:
Has anyone of you wondered that throughout the series the characters showing sociopathic and/or psychopathic traits are usually Asari? A short list:

- Nassana Dantius and her sister (featured in ME 1 and especially in ME 2)
- Aria T'Loak
- Morinth
- Jonah Sederis
- Tela Vasir
- Elnora
- Wasea
- Cpt. Enyala
- and of course the whole bunch of indoctrinated Asari on peak 15 (but that doesn't really count)

Of course there are a lot of "bad" Krogans and Batarians out there aswell, but from the Council races, the Asari really have a special spot in "sociopathy".

Asari is also the most influenced species. They have these big temple with a huge Prothean data core (and it's really huge, just look at how long it goes down when the supports fail and Shep nearly falls down), massive genetic experimentation by Protheans, and iirc the first who found the Citadel. Compare that to Turians who were influenced too, but rose up against that and buried the Reaper monolith. Now remember what Harbinger had to say about Turians, while one of the eldest races of this Cycle? "Turian, you are considered too... primitive"