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[Ithurael]

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

[smokingotter1]

paxxton wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Now it looks like coffee trickling down into a sink.

New indoctrination test = indoctrinated agents drink coffee. At least people who buy coffee at starbucks, $4 coffee? They must be indoctrinated.

I don't drink coffee and choose Control. Contradiction! Proves that Control is the right choice.

Look at your hand, you're now holding a starbucks coffee. Look again, the coffee are now diamonds! I'm on a horse.

[BatmanTurian]

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

you're quoting merizan as evidence, therefore, everything after that should be ignored.

[Dwailing]

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

We've stopped listening to Jessica.  Too much of what she's said has been either inaccurate or crazy.  Additionally, spotlessvoid contacted Gamble about what she said, and all he said was what they've always said, that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  He didn't say anything about future ME3 content.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:07 .

[BatmanTurian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

you're quoting merizan as evidence, therefore, everything after that should be ignored.

additionally, each DLC adds more content to the ending, so if you think the ending will stay the same, you're delusional.

[Dwailing]

SwobyJ wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

Everything about the decision chamber deals in opposites and illusions.

The catalyst is represented as a child, yet the reapers are old.

When you are running towards the conduit the sky was up, the earth was down.



Now the sky is down, the earth is up



Red= destroy renegade, blue= control, good and paragon

So if we are dealing with opposites... than it's time to see what really is happening. Let's invert the color and find out the truth:


Oily shadows....

Conduit beam looks a lot more menacing...


Pretty sure this has been touched on before but wasn't 100% sure. (also started using gimp wanted to show off my basic skills)

You're the best with these types of posts, but I... don't think we're convincing anyone new here. Still, great great details if IT is true.

HOLY SHISNO!!!!  That's incredible!  And did you notice?  Destroy is now blue.  Interesting... :happy:

[smokingotter1]

SwobyJ wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You're the best with these types of posts, but I... don't think we're convincing anyone new here. Still, great great details if IT is true.

Thanks and I know. Just seems like everynow and than I do a bit of digging and find something new and I enjoy it.

All of this is reminding me of 1984. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

When Shepard chooses synthesis he accends, yet he falls.

[Dwailing]

smokingotter1 wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

smokingotter1 wrote...

You're the best with these types of posts, but I... don't think we're convincing anyone new here. Still, great great details if IT is true.

Thanks and I know. Just seems like everynow and than I do a bit of digging and find something new and I enjoy it.

All of this is reminding me of 1984. War is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength.

When Shepard chooses synthesis he accends, yet he falls.

Huh, well that's interesting.  Dang, it seems that the most basic things are the things we miss sometimes. 

[Ithurael]

Dwailing wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

We've stopped listening to Jessica.  Too much of what she's said has been either inaccurate or crazy.  Additionally, spotlessvoid contacted Gamble about what she said, and all he said was what they've always said, that ME3 is the end of Shepard's story.  He didn't say anything about future ME3 content.

Ya because pre ending DLC IS future ME3 content!

Also, for my own information - what did she say that was inaccurate or crazy? I know she thinks synthesis is inevitable but that is not enough.

[byne]

Ithurael wrote...


Also, for my own information - what did she say that was inaccurate or crazy? I know she thinks synthesis is inevitable but that is not enough.

She once stated the planet the Normandy didnt have time to make it to a relay at the end, and was still somewhere in the solar system. Even suggested that the planet it landed on at the end was Earth. Thats enough for me to stop listening to her.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Ithurael wrote...


Also, for my own information - what did she say that was inaccurate or crazy? I know she thinks synthesis is inevitable but that is not enough.

She once stated the planet the Normandy didnt have time to make it to a relay at the end, and was still somewhere in the solar system. Even suggested that the planet it landed on at the end was Earth. Thats enough for me to stop listening to her.

I wonder if what happened was she started revealing too much accurate information so BioWare told her to crazy it up.

[Ithurael]

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Ithurael wrote...


Also, for my own information - what did she say that was inaccurate or crazy? I know she thinks synthesis is inevitable but that is not enough.

She once stated the planet the Normandy didnt have time to make it to a relay at the end, and was still somewhere in the solar system. Even suggested that the planet it landed on at the end was Earth. Thats enough for me to stop listening to her.

I wonder if what happened was she started revealing too much accurate information so BioWare told her to crazy it up.

HA!!

[Davik Kang]

SwobyJ wrote...
I was just commenting to my boyfriend last night how Bioware seems to be tricky with its morality system. It's very 'black and white' while the STORY ITSELF is full of shades of grey, almost meant to confuse you at some points, yet embolden you at others.

At first I didn't understand your post, but I get it now and it makes sense.

About the above: I don't think it's B/W at all.  It's blue/red, but that's an attitude, it's not morality.  The game was always telling us that as a soldier, doing the right thing isn't always being passive and kind.  There are many moments where imo renegade actions are the right thing.  

You need to suspend your disbelief enough to think that your actions will eventually matter.  If you go back to the real world, you know you're just playing a game, and that you'll get to the end regardless of red or blue.  But if you get immersed, you can start to believe that your choices will matter, and that the wrong one could mean failure and even death for the galaxy.  

This immersion side of things is one thing I think Bioware did really well and why I am disappointed when people say the narrative failed.

[DoomsdayDevice]

SwobyJ wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

Ha. All of Leviathan was IT content, as far as I'm concerned at least.

^ So much this.

They included a mind control scene that exactly mirrors the beginning of the decision chamber scene, then went on to explain that Leviathans can read your mind, fabricate illusions from your memories, and that the Reapers have perfected this technique.

They couldn't have thrown a bigger bone to IT, short of simply coming out and confirming that the ending was an illusion.

My doubts about Bioware's intent are non-existent since Leviathan came out.

How some people (even IT-ers) still have doubts about Bioware's intent is beyond me.

Wake the **** up.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 octobre 2012 - 05:32 .

[spotlessvoid]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The problem with the ending is it's too vague. Is it all an indoctrination attempt? An overlay on the Citadel? An overlay on Earth? Only some of it a hallucination? Is it literal? Is it literal but the consequences in the slide show false? That is way too much ambiguity.

That's not like Inception/Total Recall/Bladerunner because those are meant to be a choice between two scenarios. The Mass Effect endings are really up for debate on almost everything.

If they never give any answers, it's going to feel like they just threw a little bit of everything in and they don't actually have the scenarios thought out. Which is a total cop out. If the majority of your fan base thinks it's so convoluted that they find it impossible to conceive it has deeper meaning, and the rest can't even fully agree on what that deeper meaning truly is...you've failed at storytelling. This isn't just a work of art, it's also very much a commercial product. A relatively expensive one too.

If the fans defending the deeper meaning ending mostly think additional content is needed, then it's probably needed. The indoctrination/hallucination elements are there, but it's inconclusive exactly what it means and what actually transpires.

The people looking the hardest at everything are fairly uniformly asking for elaboration. That really says a lot

What should BW do to make it less ambiguous while not saying "yep it's that"? I mean just the similarities of "Breathe." and "Wake up." are like slapping in your face but most people don't even want to see it as such.

I don't get that. Exactly why can't it be more obvious?
Are there strong similarities in Leviathan? Yes. Are they undeniably linked? No. They also "confirmed" the catalyst. Our explanation for that is good, but it's not in game. Now if Omega has a scene like that, I'll call it a pattern instead of a possible coincidence.

Again, literal got a whole dlc expanding on it. That's being prescriptive. They got their closure. I don't understand this mentality that IT only deserves a wink that could be just an eye twitch. How bout a damn high five! If we aren't getting closure or elaboration then I think a blatant shout out isn't unreasonable. If it really was their vision then why do we only get scraps? I know not everyone agrees, and that's fine.

Beyond all of that though, I think there is one thing you have to be delusional to rationalize as acceptable:

If there truly is no IT DLC then Mike Gamble refusing to respond to his own community managers denial of IT DLC is simply put : cruel. A lot of you think it's not needed. A lot think it is. That's debatable. Allowing false hope to drag out a year is despicable. That isn't debatable.

[BatmanTurian]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Actaully why are we still speculating. People said that the reason we speculated was to wait for the EC, but we are still here, and people are still speculating. Why would Bioware tell us, and others to still speculate, if the endings are as they are?

Oh it because they don't want hurt the ITers, or make them lash out at them. Really that's what people say. I mean come on Bioware could have denied it the momunte if it was born if they didn't intend IT.

Yes their are other theorys, but most of them are not really about the endings, more like making fun of them. Yes Intoxination is a theorys, but I haven't seen that thread for 3 months. Yet here we IT are still kicking.

Not to burst your bubble too much but Merizan did state that if your version of IT requires more content - that is not the interpretation of bioware. Now, with this new annoucement - that the trilogy is over and no shep in ME4 - it seems bioware has a very clear intent for how the ME trilogy ended as well as shepards story and where they want to take the sequel.

IT is an interpretation. If you are happy with it great. but no one has the authority to say "Your interpretation is wrong!" that would be silly.

There is, however, a difference between the fans interpretation and the intent/interpretation bioware has.

Ha. All of Leviathan was IT content, as far as I'm concerned at least.

^ So much this.

They included a mind control scene that exactly mirrors the beginning of the decision chamber scene, then went on to explain that Leviathans can read your mind, fabricate illusions from your memories, and the Reapers have perfected this technique.

They couldn't have thrown a bigger bone to IT, short of simply coming out and confirming that the ending was an illusion.

You forgot to mention that not only is Harbinger made of Leviathans and can use their power, he can enhance it with the indoctrination technology, which makes whatever illusions Harbinger makes more powerful than any other Reaper. And gee whiz golly, who is there at the Beam run? Harbinger.

I mean do the math here, right? It's elementary, my dear Literalists.