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[BansheeOwnage]

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

Are you kidding? Saren broke free and he had reaper implants! Shepard would be nowhere near that level of indoctrinated yet! Probably more like TIM in ME2.

[BansheeOwnage]

Eryri wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

Assuming nothing else is done with the ending, then yes, Shepard better make an appearence in ME4 or, as paxxton said, as an antagonist. However, speculation of whether anything will be done to finish Shepard's story obviously remains to be seen.

Or as a mentor character like Anderson? Shepard could be a hard-ass to your new character if you played as a renegade and import your save, or a supportive father / mother figure if you played as paragon maybe?

In any event I doubt I will be able to get emotionally invested in a new character if I'm constantly worrying that s/he's going to get electrocuted / disintegrated / engulfed in flame / buried in rubble, or whatever inventively sadistic death the writing team can dream up at the end.

Yeah. What the hell Bioware? What happened to them. Though, the whole "Captain Shepard" thing is pissing me off because it's wrong.

[masster blaster]

Xil nobody has tried to fight Indoctrination. When it's to late they kill themselves. Saren did Kenson did, and now TIM in the dream.

[Hrothdane]

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable

[BansheeOwnage]

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

[BansheeOwnage]

Hrothdane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable

Pretty much. Especially considering Bioware was AT THE VERY LEAST considering indoctrinating Shepard.

[spotlessvoid]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

I don't think there's any chance of getting a conclusive answer about the ME3's ending until a few months after the Wii U release of the game. If they spoil it now, they could spoil that release. The infuriating truth that I see is that we have to sit patiently until at least the end of Q1 2013 for something that may or may not be coming. It's like waiting at a restaurant all night for a date that's not going to show but who keeps sending you txt messages hinting that they MIGHT be on their way.

That's how I feel. Keeping the ending vague I can accept. Don't like it, but I can forgive Bioware for no closure. Dragging out hope for content that isn't coming is just messed up.

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

Save that for when the DLC cycle is over...there will likely be some massacre, anyway.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:25 .

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

I think that would be suicide for BioWare. If they simply abandon the current story like that, most people would simply cease to buy or play their games. If untamed, it could also hurt EA sales of other games.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:25 .

[CmdrShep80]

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, just a word of advice to everyone, you might want to try updating the individual pieces of DLC as well as the game itself if you haven't been doing that already. I have a few hundred MB of data downloading as we speak.

From waaaay back on page 1430 - did this actually change anything?  Plus how do you update the individual dlcs?
I thought updating the game updates everything

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:27 .

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

Save that for when the DLC cycle is over...there will likely be some massacre, anyway.

Yeah, I guess I'll hold out until then... It's taking its toll on me, and the fanbase though... There are a lot of people who are on the fence about IT and are just hoping for something to make it better for Shepard. All of those would leave.

[Dwailing]

Well, I haven't checked for changes, but to update the DLC you right click on ME3 in Origin, select see game details, or something like that, the right click on the individual DLC packages and select check for updates.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

I think that would be suicide for BioWare. If they simply abandon the current story like that, most people would simply cease to buy or play their games. If untamed, it could also hurt EA sales of other games.

Yeah, wouldn't that be bad for EA? For once, I hope EA forces BW into making the most money...

[Xilizhra]

Hrothdane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable

It took much longer than two days for the artifact to indoctrinate everyone. Basically, Shepard's never been near a source of indoctrination long enough for the damage to seriously build up; it's all in quick missions. Not getting indoctrinated at all is far, far easier than getting indoctrinated and then resisting.

Also, based on Vendetta's words, unless Shepard is indoctrinated so badly as to have visual and auditory hallucinations already, Shepard is definitely not indoctrinated on Thessia or Cronos Station, so the actual indoctrination would have to be very fast, and thus, according to the codex, extremely and irreversibly damaging to Shepard's brain.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:31 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

Halo ODST

That is all.

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

I refuse to believe anything Bioware says anymore unless the evidence is in my face on my tv screen.

[BansheeOwnage]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

Halo ODST

That is all.

Yeah, I hope so. Actually, I loved ODST. It had great characters, and it was the only Halo game with a happy ending. It was a pretty cool change.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable

It took much longer than two days for the artifact to indoctrinate everyone. Basically, Shepard's never been near a source of indoctrination long enough for the damage to seriously build up; it's all in quick missions. Not getting indoctrinated at all is far, far easier than getting indoctrinated and then resisting.

Also, based on Vendetta's words, unless Shepard is indoctrinated so badly as to have visual and auditory hallucinations already, Shepard is definitely not indoctrinated on Thessia or Cronos Station, so the actual indoctrination would have to be very fast, and thus, according to the codex, extremely and irreversibly damaging to Shepard's brain.

This is a silly argument. One does not have to be exposed to indoctrination constantly. It still works on in your brain even after the deactivation of the tech used to indoctrinate. Being exposed to more and more after that just fills the gas tank, so-to-speak, until it hits critical mass. You really don't understand indoctrination as much as you think you do.

EDIT: SERIOUSLY,  you're going to bring up vendetta again? Shepard is not indoctrinated until they make a choice at the end. Until that action occurs, Shepard is in the process of it.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:35 .

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

I refuse to believe anything Bioware says anymore unless the evidence is in my face on my tv screen.

Who was it that said: "We'll let the content speak for itself"? Because if that's true, it's just IT. I mean, come on.

[Xilizhra]

This is a silly argument. One does not have to be explosed to indoctrination constantly. It still works on in your brain even after the deactivation of the tech used to indoctrinate. Being exposed to more and more after that just fills the gas tank, so-to-speak, until it hits critical mass. You really don't understand indoctrination as much as you think you do.

As I said, we know that Shepard is either under no significant indoctrination on Thessia and Cronos Station, or is so badly indoctrinated that the hallucinations would be significantly hindering her ability to fight and lead.

[Hrothdane]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.

We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable

It took much longer than two days for the artifact to indoctrinate everyone. Basically, Shepard's never been near a source of indoctrination long enough for the damage to seriously build up; it's all in quick missions. Not getting indoctrinated at all is far, far easier than getting indoctrinated and then resisting.

Also, based on Vendetta's words, unless Shepard is indoctrinated so badly as to have visual and auditory hallucinations already, Shepard is definitely not indoctrinated on Thessia or Cronos Station, so the actual indoctrination would have to be very fast, and thus, according to the codex, extremely and irreversibly damaging to Shepard's brain.

This is a silly argument. One does not have to be exposed to indoctrination constantly. It still works on in your brain even after the deactivation of the tech used to indoctrinate. Being exposed to more and more after that just fills the gas tank, so-to-speak, until it hits critical mass. You really don't understand indoctrination as much as you think you do.

Also, Reapers have a great deal of control over the rate of indoctrination, which is quite variable.

As someone else mentioned, Saren and TIM can resist while having full Reaper implants, so I don't see much of a problem there.

[BatmanTurian]

Xilizhra wrote...

This is a silly argument. One does not have to be explosed to indoctrination constantly. It still works on in your brain even after the deactivation of the tech used to indoctrinate. Being exposed to more and more after that just fills the gas tank, so-to-speak, until it hits critical mass. You really don't understand indoctrination as much as you think you do.

As I said, we know that Shepard is either under no significant indoctrination on Thessia and Cronos Station, or is so badly indoctrinated that the hallucinations would be significantly hindering her ability to fight and lead.

" EDIT: SERIOUSLY,  you're going to bring up vendetta again? Shepard is
not indoctrinated until they make a choice at the end. Until that action
occurs, Shepard is in the process of it. "

You guys always bring this up like it's some ace up your sleeve. No, it's wrong.

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

I think that would be suicide for BioWare. If they simply abandon the current story like that, most people would simply cease to buy or play their games. If untamed, it could also hurt EA sales of other games.

Yeah, wouldn't that be bad for EA? For once, I hope EA forces BW into making the most money...

 To help EA make that decision vote here -> Should Mass Effect 4 continue Shepard's story?

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

What does everyone think of the "news" that Shepard will not be in ME4. I think if it's true, (and there is no more closure for Shepard) that I may just have to kill something...

Halo ODST

That is all.

Yeah, I hope so. Actually, I loved ODST. It had great characters, and it was the only Halo game with a happy ending. It was a pretty cool change.

I think Reach was probably my favorite Halo game. Mostly because I actually felt like I was Noble Six, as opposed to feeling like I'm controlling the Chief. I'm still holding out hope that Noble Six survived somehow. After all, they never found the body.

They conveniently show you the helmet laying on the ground, and if Six actually died, the armor should be right nearby, but we never see it.

Six teaming up with the Chief would be just about the best thing ever.

[Dwailing]

I would also like to point out that, with regards to Vendetta, it can't be perfect, or else the Protheans would not have been taken down by indoctrinated agents. Note, this is not to take away from the fact that Shepard is not truly indoctrinated when he talks ti Vendetta, just to bring up another point.

Edit: Also, top.

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 octobre 2012 - 06:41 .