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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Hrothdane

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Bill Casey wrote...

The ending of Shepard's story is ****ing perfect...
Goddamn you people...


We love you too, Bill.

If we all agreed on everything, we would be synthesized :P

By the way, this has been bugging me for awhile, but you should use four periods in ellipses when you use them at the end of a sentence like you always do.

I'm an English major; forgive me!

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byne wrote...

I dont know why people are freaking out so much about them saying there wont be any Shepard in ME4.

They've said that since before ME3 even came out, and people are acting like somehow this is shocking news.


I been knew that was gonna happen. But I think the real problem is the way they ended Shepard's story, IT or not the way they ended it was BS.

Especially the "Destroy" ending because they made it an ambiguous open ending.

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Bill Casey wrote...

The ending of Shepard's story is ****ing perfect...
Goddamn you people...

It may be clever, but it is certainly no way to end a story. In order for there to be a ME after ME3, there has to be closure. You can't continue chronologically without knowing what in the world happened previously. The Reaper War may or may not be over. Shepard may or may not be dead. Those are big questions that need to be addressed, even if they occur during ME4. If ME4 is before ME3, then a proper ending isn't necessary, but would certanly be a slap to the face for fans to not know what really happened in the end.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:26 .


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This is exactly the same bull**** that has left a black mark on IT...
Your incessant petulant demands for base gratification have completely and utterly ruined the correct interpretation of an utterly brilliant ending...

Same ****ing **** pulled by Clevernoob and Acayvos...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:25 .


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paxxton wrote...

HomesV500 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

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Huh? Has Bioware officially stated that Shepard won't be in Mass Effect 4????

Kinda if you consider a producer's statement to be official.

A producer who only works on the MP and calls the commander "captain".

Good point. Posted Image


Unless, he knows something we yet don't B)

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I think I could still enjoy a more limited Mass Effect prequel or sequel. Would it be as fun? No, but it isn't guaranteed to be a bad game either.

However, I don't know if I'd trust Bioware's ability to satisfactorily conclude a narrative enough to actually care a whole lot. Prequel will feel like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Sequel requires closure of ME3. I'm not investing in more Mass Effect contents day one anymore. And to be completely honest:
There is a big difference between staying vague about the endings and leading people down a path that has no possible positive resolution.
If Bioware lets people keep hoping for IT content knowing they have no intention on ever providing that content...well then they are dead to me forever. It's 100% flat out lying, and it's a cynical betrayal of some of their most ardent fans. I would honestly consider buying more Bioware products if they come clean about IT DLC. I will never forgive being misled for a whole year. Period

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I just had a thought. It's only the Destroy ending that's truly open-ended. Control, Synthesis, Reject, they actually DO provide closure. Destroy would too, if it wasn't for the breath scene. Until we learn what happened to Shepard, Destroy will not offer true closure.

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masster blaster wrote...

Xil nobody has tried to fight Indoctrination. When it's to late they kill themselves. Saren did Kenson did, and now TIM in the dream.


This is true.

The big quality of indoctrination is that it is specifically designed to make you NOT WANT to fight it.

But if you do (0.000001% of cases haha), I'm sure it can be at least be held off for some time.

Benezia was only partially successful here. She wanted to resist, but didn't. So she used those special mind-whammy powers that Asari can have, to make a 'bubble' in her mind that was pure enough.

Hmmmm... I wonder what role the 'fake Anderson' plays in the IT view of the ending ;)

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nope...nothing here.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:28 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

This is exactly the same bull**** that has left a black mark on IT...
Your incessant petulant demands for base gratification have completely and utterly ruined the correct interpretation of an utterly brilliant ending...

Same ****ing **** pulled by Clevernoob and Acayvos...

Bill, drink some tea and calm down.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:28 .


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Xilizhra wrote...

Also, based on Vendetta's words, unless Shepard is indoctrinated so badly as to have visual and auditory hallucinations already, Shepard is definitely not indoctrinated on Thessia or Cronos Station, so the actual indoctrination would have to be very fast, and thus, according to the codex, extremely and irreversibly damaging to Shepard's brain.

Good thing you speak about Vendetta, the VI coming from a Prothean artifact that had Shep a few minutes before go all out reality, hearing Reaper noise, and then telling you that she knows there's a beacon. Sounds like a very reliable source to me.

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Wow. One, new, little piece of 'news' from BioWare and we're back to heated discussion. That's all it takes.
:lol:

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Hrothdane wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

What the? So you're saying you can't win at the end? That doesn't even make sense because why would the reapers bother indoctrinating Shepard if they would die? Pointless?

Indeed. If IT is true, you can't win in the end. When Shepard wakes up, it's as a slave of the Reapers. We've never seen anyone indoctrinated to that level, if at all, break free.


We have two alternatives:

1. Shepard is special and does not get indoctrinated like other people despite spending more time than the average indoctrinee around Reapers and their minions and artifacts. Also, Arrival is canon so Shepard spent two days unconscious in a facility with an artifact that indoctrinated the entire staff.

2. Shepard is special and can resist indoctrination better than most people, and can thus get out of induced hallucinations.

Most of us find 2 preferable


It's a few things, to me.

1)His implants
2)Exposure to other mind altering objects
3).... this is my pet idea - that he represents the evolution of organic life, refined over many, many cycles.

We'll finally break the cycle, and humanity's importance is that it may be the species able to do that, or at least the start of a trend of cycle-species able to end the Reapers.

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I want Shepard to go out in a blaze of glory, and I mean fighting, (blazing his weapons - if that's not clear enough) and fighting like his life depends on it because it does!!! If they want to end the story great, kill him, incapacitate him, maim him, I don't care, just let him go down fighting like he has been the whole fracking series!

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SwobyJ wrote...

Benezia was only partially successful here. She wanted to resist, but didn't.


She wanted to influence Saren down a gentler path, to guide him as a force for good...

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Bill Casey wrote...

This is exactly the same bull**** that has left a black mark on IT...
Your incessant petulant demands for base gratification have completely and utterly ruined the correct interpretation of an utterly brilliant ending...

Same ****ing **** pulled by Clevernoob and Acayvos...

That's going too far. I get your stance, but ME isn't a 2 hour movie. It's a personalized narrative. Closure was expected. Whether it's needed is debatable. But to rail against people who want it as ruining things is petulant too.

What are your thoughts on Bioware allowing people to hope for ITDLC if it's never coming?People can't start accepting there isn't more coming if they won't admit there isn't.

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Should Mass Effect 4 continue Shepard's story?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

What are your thoughts on Bioware allowing people to hope for ITDLC if it's never coming?People can't start accepting there isn't more coming if they won't admit there isn't.


They did say there isn't more coming multiple times...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:35 .


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I don't need closure but a continuation. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:34 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

What are your thoughts on Bioware allowing people to hope for ITDLC if it's never coming?People can't start accepting there isn't more coming if they won't admit there isn't.


They did say there isn't more coming multiple times...

That's what annoys me. Post-ending DLC needs to happen. But according to BW  it won't. BW has been very slippery lately when making remarks about the Ending. Yet, what are they thinking? 

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:36 .


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Bill Casey wrote...

This is exactly the same bull**** that has left a black mark on IT...
Your incessant petulant demands for base gratification have completely and utterly ruined the correct interpretation of an utterly brilliant ending...

Same ****ing **** pulled by Clevernoob and Acayvos...


Sorry, but I want to see Harbinger destroyed.

Really Destroyed. Not 'dream' destroyed.

And I'm good with open endings. ME3 isn't one. It's a cliffhanger, if IT is true.

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Bill, you do realize that if IT is true but no content is released and me3 is done and over with, that the Reapers have not been defeated and are on the verge of completing their harvest right?

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*looks at Bill and spotless going at it again* *grabs internet popcorn*

Modifié par Dwailing, 19 octobre 2012 - 07:38 .


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paxxton wrote...

I don't need closure but a continuation. Posted Image

Better word choice. 
;)
Continuation is something ME4 could provide. Maybe.

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plfranke wrote...

Bill, you do realize that if IT is true but no content is released and me3 is done and over with, that the Reapers have not been defeated and are on the verge of completing their harvest right?

That's not the point...