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[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

Allow me to present to you all, the implantation theory:

It seems bizarre that almost every character in ME2 and ME3 who is around Shepard for any extended length of time becomes strongly Shepard-sexual. Just look at Samara, steely justicar who totally wants some rumpy pumpy after spending just minutes conversing with the Commander.

So, maybe the illusive man placed some kind of indoctrination beacon in shepard's genitals. Going back through ME2 and ME3, I think we can all see plenty of occasions in which this would explain a lot.

Samara, Shiala, Jack, Thane... Nobody is safe from Commander Shepard's crotch-mounted indoctrination device.

Shepard can make a living of that by selling his sperm or her eggs to inhibitants of the Galaxy.

[Hrothdane]

SwobyJ wrote...

Hilarious, but that's actually semi-related to my 'Shepard is next evolution of organic control over other organics'.

(except its not control, but more 'inspiration'. Shepard isn't manipulative most times, but instead just a great figure that people are instincturally driven to follow, as long as you 'train' your Paragon/Renegade ability...)

Shepard is an übermensch. He/she is a highly charismatic person that has a strong enough will to attract followers and change the world. Breaking the Reaper cycles is a pretty big change.

It's a natural conclusion considering the obvious Jesus parallels, as Jesus himself was an übermensch.

[johnj1979]

This seems to be the question that nobody is willing or able to answer and I don't know why the ending is so open ended and surely with these ending beening so open it would make any sequel impossible to do.

I do see why they just didn't give the player two choices on the fate of the galaxy. Shepard Destroys to Reaper, Galaxy saved and choice two Shepard lets Reaper, Galaxy desroyed.

For me the whole of Mass Effect 3 was designed for new players NOT for players that had been there from the start.

[Ithurael]

dreamgazer wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It's ****ing brilliant...
It has usurped John Carpenter's "The Thing" as my favorite ending to anything...
It's pure art...

Few, especially those with game-centered mindsets, would agree that open-ended interpretation is the proper way to punctuate a five-year series and an end to the Reaper conflict. They need to see it to believe it, especially when they're being called crazies and cultists for buying into a surreal/abstract outlook. 

I get where your mind's at---I'm a film nerd who loves Total Recall, The Thing, Brazil, Blade Runner, Mulholland Drive, everything Lynch, everything Tarkovsky, etc. etc.---but I also get why most people wouldn't want to leave this trilogy on that note, especially given the similarities that the design has to other pre-existing endings.  It's a difference of mediums and audiences.  

Though I do enjoy open-endings, I find I enjoy them more with single installments not trilogies or sagas.

Blade Runner, Total Recall, the Thing, were singular installments (the thing prequel was made after and remakes don't count) so it is ok to be open ended or even nihilistic

Trilogies are more difficult, by the final installement you usually have a well establish central conflict and your core characters. An open-ended non-ending would still leave the central conflict unsolved and many of the core characters MIA or unknown.

my thoughts though

[ajk_Jack]

johnj1979 wrote...

For me the whole of Mass Effect 3 was designed for new players NOT for players that had been there from the start.

I know. That's what BW said, but I couldn't imagine starting there.

[spotlessvoid]

Would anybody here really expect IT DLC if Mike Gamble himself said it wasn't coming?

[johnj1979]

my guess would be no to super mega huge alterations because wasn't it said that there was nothing wrong with it and people who it have a new past time of picking holes it

[Davik Kang]

dreamgazer wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It's ****ing brilliant...
It has usurped John Carpenter's "The Thing" as my favorite ending to anything...
It's pure art...

Few, especially those with game-centered mindsets, would agree that open-ended interpretation is the proper way to punctuate a five-year series and an end to the Reaper conflict. They need to see it to believe it, especially when they're being called crazies and cultists for buying into a surreal/abstract outlook. 

I get where your mind's at---I'm a film nerd who loves Total Recall, The Thing, Brazil, Blade Runner, Mulholland Drive, everything Lynch, everything Tarkovsky, etc. etc.---but I also get why most people wouldn't want to leave this trilogy on that note, especially given the similarities that the design has to other pre-existing endings.  It's a difference of mediums and audiences.  

They could've said the same thing about "movies" when ambiguous endings were first made.  In fact I bet they did.  Bioware took a risk to make something new, something that changed the medium

Bill's taking a beating here but can't you see he's right???  Damn it.  The whole reason you're all here and that this thread has been going for 6000 pages is because of how incredibly awesome it is.  Don't you see?  The journey continues through these fourms, through the speculation, in your minds!?!?  It's incredible...

aagh I give up.  No one listens anyway.  Fire away.  Or carry on.  Or whatever.

[TSA_383]

Imagine if Lord of the rings had ended with Frodo waking up inside Mt Doom, then cut to black and credits.
It would have been panned universally...

[smokingotter1]

Dwailing wrote...

Guys! I just had a crazy thought in the shower (Seems like I get all my best ideas in there lol). Remember the Rachni Queen says something about a sour yellow note? Well, look what the dominant color in SmokingOtter's color inversion is! Coincidence? Maybe. But it's a pretty appropriate coincidence if that is what it is

Great catch, didn't think about it, and the renegade choice looks blue in inversion vision, and the starchild now an oily shadow, all fitting together.

[smokingotter1]

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Guys! I just had a crazy thought in the shower (Seems like I get all my best ideas in there lol). Remember the Rachni Queen says something about a sour yellow note? Well, look what the dominant color in SmokingOtter's color inversion is! Coincidence? Maybe. But it's a pretty appropriate coincidence if that is what it is

Amazing but still we can see the color only after inversion.

True, but there are other things that are hard to catch without computer analysis like the sounds in the dreams, this, and the gun changing. Indoctrination isn't supposed to be obvious to the player or Shepard.

Although it would be funny if Harbinger showed up with a megaphone in the decision chamber: "tzzt tzzt testing testing.... YOU ARE BEING INDOCTRINATED. THIS IS A CLUE, that is all"

Edit: Forgot to add the part where Harbinger twirls his evil mustache and laughs "muhahhaahahah!"

Modifié par smokingotter1, 19 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .

[spotlessvoid]

TSA_383 wrote...

Imagine if Lord of the rings had ended with Frodo waking up inside Mt Doom, then cut to black and credits.
It would have been panned universally...

It would be even worse if Peter Jackson lets people believe there may be a directors cut with answers, while letting one of the camera men deny it, then refusing to even acknowledge that comment in an interview

[johnj1979]

SwobyJ wrote...

ajk_Jack wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

For me the whole of Mass Effect 3 was designed for new players NOT for players that had been there from the start.

I know. That's what BW said, but I couldn't imagine starting there.

It's the best place for them to start because new players won't question what they see and will just finish the game in whatever best way they can.
(on the other side, people who played through the whole series and are super attached to the characters to the point of possible irrationality, can also pick Synthesis or Control)

I'm pretty convinced this is a big Psychological Experiment worthy of Mac Walters' Psychology degree...

why is it the best place to start?

Mass Effect 2 carried on from Mass Effect 1 without any p[roblems. In fact I would have to have say that Mass Effect 2 is the ONLY true sequel in the Mass Effect universe and that Mass Effect 3 IS a stand-alone in the Mass Effect universe.

For me what Mass Effect 3 is to Mass Effect is what Halo ODST is to Halo

[Ghrelt]

Is it just me or are the endings less palatable (when interpreted literally) the longer you've been with the series. I've been playing Mass Effect since the week the first game came out and the first time I finished ME3 I actually felt physically ill. I disliked the end in a very visceral sense.

[BatmanTurian]

johnj1979 wrote...

This seems to be the question that nobody is willing or able to answer and I don't know why the ending is so open ended and surely with these ending beening so open it would make any sequel impossible to do.

I do see why they just didn't give the player two choices on the fate of the galaxy. Shepard Destroys to Reaper, Galaxy saved and choice two Shepard lets Reaper, Galaxy desroyed.

For me the whole of Mass Effect 3 was designed for new players NOT for players that had been there from the start.

That's silly. The people who had been there from the start is their fanbase and would be the largest chunk of their consumer base.

[smokingotter1]

BatmanTurian wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

This seems to be the question that nobody is willing or able to answer and I don't know why the ending is so open ended and surely with these ending beening so open it would make any sequel impossible to do.

I do see why they just didn't give the player two choices on the fate of the galaxy. Shepard Destroys to Reaper, Galaxy saved and choice two Shepard lets Reaper, Galaxy desroyed.

For me the whole of Mass Effect 3 was designed for new players NOT for players that had been there from the start.

That's silly. The people who had been there from the start is their fanbase and would be the largest chunk of their consumer base.

Without the fanbase how are they going to sell Sovereign replicas? Put your deposit down now folks so when you have guests over you can hear "why do you have a statue of a disembodied robot hand?" Priceless.

Also....top:wizard:

Modifié par smokingotter1, 19 octobre 2012 - 08:22 .