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Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So....

Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.


But the keepers are not machines.


I didnt say they were. I said they were created. Godchild claims that means they must rebel. They never have.

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masster blaster wrote...

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byne wrote...

So....

Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.

Nice!


Or what about the Collectors.

You killed them remember.

But ya BS. yet people just pick Synthesis, and Control.

Control is justifiable. Synthesis isn't.

#3653
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byne wrote...

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Epyon that'd be awful IMO. We'd be replaying a book weve already read with no customisation or choice. Bleurgh no thank you.


According to the ME2 codex, the book we read was just a dramatization of the events that happened. They could just say the writer took liberties with it, and let us still make choices that go against what the book said happened.


This. But even if Coolio is right, I'd still play it, on the count of that I didn't read the books and would rather not.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Does anyone know what the bubble-type thing is in the leviathan screen with Liara and Shep?

Did you also notice in the leviathan demo Shep was shooting Reaper artifacts - interesante


Yes, that is interesting...I actually am watching that right now. What Mike just said actually was interesting...he said that it would focus on the origins of the Reapers. What makes no sense is why they would do this...

1- They said in the final hours app that the origin of the Reapers being put into the ending was thought of but was removed cause it wasn't important. So why is it now? Just trying to milk it for more money, or something else?

2- The origin has already been told to us. To make an entire DLC on a origin that we already know makes no sense. It would be like doing a DLC on the Normadys origin. We know most of the details that are important. What I'm thinking is that the DLC doesn't just explain but also reveals details that could change our understanding on the ME universe. IT maybe?? 

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byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So....

Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.


But the keepers are not machines.


I didnt say they were. I said they were created. Godchild claims that means they must rebel. They never have.

...Yet.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.

Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!

[Old Coot Mode Over]

Wasn't there a couple of lines in the script that suggested Leviathan didn't look quite like the reapers we've come to recognise?
That'd make sense, as reapers (asides harbinger) don't tend to have a whole lot of identifying features. Hell, they had to give the asari those facial markings so people could tell which was which ;)

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If we have a prequel series I will kill myself [/Jenna Maroney]

But yeah. I will be pissed

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

It wouldn't be the first time. Halo Reach was pretty successful. Then there's God of War: Chains of Olympus, Ghost of Sparta and the promising looking Acension, Deus Ex: HE, Metal Gear Solid 3 and metroid prime are just a few.

A ME prequel about the rachni or contact war seem to be likely possibilities. I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war.


Halo Reach was successful, but the Halo writers have never exactly been too attached to continuity, or explaining things very well.

In Reach, you just accept the fact that despite it taking place before Halo 1, you have better armor and weapons than Master Chief does in Halo 3.

In a Mass Effect game, you wouldnt really accept that.


Of course not. I found that Armor thing weird myself but didn't really care since my interest in Halo declined somewhere in the middle of 3.

But I would love to play as Anderson during the contact war. It'll work great, since he has no biotics or seems to use any super armor. I'd like his three part series to include the contact war, his run in with Saren and being shafted out of the Spectre position and ending with him giving Shepard command of the Normandy.


Three whole games ending with Anderson getting screwed over?

That'd go over well. ;)


Well maybe through the eyes of Shepard it might be so, but perhaps they didn't happen exactly the way we think.

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estebanus wrote...

Control is justifiable. Synthesis isn't.

Duh. Whatever. Posted ImagePosted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 03 août 2012 - 08:36 .


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If a preguel were to ever appear in Mass Effect, I think it should have something to do with the species that were the geniuses that created the reapers.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Does anyone know what the bubble-type thing is in the leviathan screen with Liara and Shep?

Did you also notice in the leviathan demo Shep was shooting Reaper artifacts - interesante


Yes, that is interesting...I actually am watching that right now. What Mike just said actually was interesting...he said that it would focus on the origins of the Reapers. What makes no sense is why they would do this...

1- They said in the final hours app that the origin of the Reapers being put into the ending was thought of but was removed cause it wasn't important. So why is it now? Just trying to milk it for more money, or something else?

2- The origin has already been told to us. To make an entire DLC on a origin that we already know makes no sense. It would be like doing a DLC on the Normadys origin. We know most of the details that are important. What I'm thinking is that the DLC doesn't just explain but also reveals details that could change our understanding on the ME universe. IT maybe?? 


This was what I was thinking about Leviathan.  Star-Brat already told us how the Reapers came into existance.  Unless BioWare intends to make a pretty big revelation, I don't see a reason for it to make this.

Modifié par Dwailing, 03 août 2012 - 08:36 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

So....

Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.

Nice!


They don't count because they're not synthetic. Casper's logic assigns a ridiculous- and unwarranted- importance to synthetic (created) intelligence. Somehow they will, they must rebel. The keepers don't disprove his assertion, because right from the beginning they're excluded from the argument. Please can we stop mentioning the technological singularity. It really is the most upsetting thing about the ending. Grrr.

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estebanus wrote...

If a preguel were to ever appear in Mass Effect, I think it should have something to do with the species that were the geniuses that created the reapers.


"Should we create super powerful evil robots?"
"Yes, I dont see how that could possibly go wrong!"

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I'm gonna go for a few hours. I don't wanna get banned when this thread is locked.

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byne wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

byne wrote...

So....

Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.


But the keepers are not machines.


I didnt say they were. I said they were created. Godchild claims that means they must rebel. They never have.


So you say reapers can create organic life out of nowhere? I always tought they where repurposed rachni, that evolved differently because of a different environment.

Modifié par Home run MF, 03 août 2012 - 08:41 .


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EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.

Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!

[Old Coot Mode Over]


That just means we have to pick Destroy to free him, and the galaxy of the Catalyst/Reapers.

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TSA_383 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.

Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!

[Old Coot Mode Over]

Wasn't there a couple of lines in the script that suggested Leviathan didn't look quite like the reapers we've come to recognise?
That'd make sense, as reapers (asides harbinger) don't tend to have a whole lot of identifying features. Hell, they had to give the asari those facial markings so people could tell which was which ;)


I found the Crucible reaper to look really different. It caught my eye instantly. He's silverish with bronze limbs. Almost like he was a special reaper or made those changes himself to individualize himself.

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masster blaster wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.

Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!

[Old Coot Mode Over]


That just means we have to pick Destroy to free him, and the galaxy of the Catalyst/Reapers.


Not really. We just have to not refuse. Destroy will actually kill him.

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Dwailing wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

Does anyone know what the bubble-type thing is in the leviathan screen with Liara and Shep?

Did you also notice in the leviathan demo Shep was shooting Reaper artifacts - interesante


Yes, that is interesting...I actually am watching that right now. What Mike just said actually was interesting...he said that it would focus on the origins of the Reapers. What makes no sense is why they would do this...

1- They said in the final hours app that the origin of the Reapers being put into the ending was thought of but was removed cause it wasn't important. So why is it now? Just trying to milk it for more money, or something else?

2- The origin has already been told to us. To make an entire DLC on a origin that we already know makes no sense. It would be like doing a DLC on the Normadys origin. We know most of the details that are important. What I'm thinking is that the DLC doesn't just explain but also reveals details that could change our understanding on the ME universe. IT maybe?? 


This was what I was thinking about Leviathan.  Star-Brat already told us how the Reapers came into existance.  Unless BioWare intends to make a pretty big revelation, I don't see a reason for it to make this.


Mike even went out to say it was more focused on story in this DLC. So it's got to be very big. Expecially since ME3 hasn't had that great of reviews lately. The DLC will have to be amazing enough it becomes a must buy for us fans.

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I'm going to watch the Olympics and play some ME3

See everyone later :)

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byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

If a preguel were to ever appear in Mass Effect, I think it should have something to do with the species that were the geniuses that created the reapers.


"Should we create super powerful evil robots?"
"Yes, I dont see how that could possibly go wrong!"


Yeah that's not fun.

At least the contact war ended in a way that humans all lived.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Get this topic back on topic please. If not, it will get closed and people found to be off topic will be banned.



:devil:


Thats a little extreme commander 

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EpyonX3 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.

Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!

[Old Coot Mode Over]


That just means we have to pick Destroy to free him, and the galaxy of the Catalyst/Reapers.


Not really. We just have to not refuse. Destroy will actually kill him.


That's the point we free him, and everyone that made him/the other Reapers when we kill them because I think they don't want to live like a Reaper forever.

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N7L4D wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

Get this topic back on topic please. If not, it will get closed and people found to be off topic will be banned.



:devil:


Thats a little extreme commander 


Not really but we wants us to speculate because It has some intrest in Bioware/him.

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Has anyone taken note of the point in both Control speeches where Reaper-Shepard says that the man he was "achieved his purpose"? This implies that the Reapers' had a purpose in mind for Shepard. He technically merges with the Reapers' consciousness in both literal and IT perspectives. Since the Reapers' also favor Synthesis, it could be implied that if the Crucible fires it indoctrinates everyone to the Reapers' ideology. So you have two paths of enslavement and one path to freedom.

This statement is kind of a fusion of both literalism and IT

Edit: Just realised that I didn't explain my "implied" portion.  The Reapers' favor control over the course of galactic evolution.  They abhore chaos.  Regardless of what the Catalyst says, their actions do corroborate with this idea.  So if Shepard's purpose was to enable control over the many, and they want Shepard to use what he is to synthesize all life, this could be another way for him to help the Reapers facilitate more direct control over the galaxy

Modifié par TheConstantOne, 03 août 2012 - 08:51 .