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[Ithurael]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Is there a place that has all the mp announcements and releases in order. i.e. the title what the op is about And the outcome for each op they've done since mp launched?

bioware blog

it isn't organized tho

[shepskisaac]

plfranke wrote...

Only we are looking for a way to do this through elements that hold true to the core we knew and loved but not what we finished with

And through denial that what was there was what Bioware wanted and that they made mistakes in the execution of their ideas (with the original endings)

[spotlessvoid]

@Ithurael

ME3 DLC is still ME3. He didnt say the end of ME3 is the end of Shepards story either. Just saying man

[plfranke]

spotlessvoid wrote...

@Ithurael

ME3 DLC is still ME3. He didnt say the end of ME3 is the end of Shepards story either. Just saying man

Well some random guy in an article did earlier today so it's pretty final dude.

[spotlessvoid]

Xil wants her themes. Which include the option to eradicate the very existence of purely organic life. What a sad idea that there would be no more organic life in the galaxy. Natures greatest gift, gone.

[CmdrShep80]

Ithurael wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Is there a place that has all the mp announcements and releases in order. i.e. the title what the op is about And the outcome for each op they've done since mp launched?

bioware blog

it isn't organized tho

ya I saw that. I was hoping for an organized version. I didn't try a wiki yet though. Maybe they have it. I'm just curious about how all these ops we've been doing play a part into the larger universe

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Walks in, sees Xil, walks out...

[spotlessvoid]

plfranke wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

@Ithurael

ME3 DLC is still ME3. He didnt say the end of ME3 is the end of Shepards story either. Just saying man

Well some random guy in an article did earlier today so it's pretty final dude.

Too sad for words

[Home run MF]

Ithurael wrote...

Bill Casey's view on IT is amazing. It doesn't require any content. He is what I would call an "IT Purist" as he does not need/want anything else for his interpretation. Other ITers (like clevernoob) want to use IT to enable the hope for a new ending. As of the current, that seems highly unlikely. As a new ending with IT would require shepard wakeing up (continuing his story) and shepard's story has been confirmed over.

I have to say, once it all made click it was the most mind blowing feeling an entertainment product left on me.
I have to thank byne for it and IT, and also the people in this thread that like this game and spend hours analyzing it and finding clues. 

[Xilizhra]

plfranke wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I think x is like all of us, trying to make sense of something that went horribly wrong. Only we are looking for a way to do this through elements that hold true to the core we knew and loved but not what we finished with. x is trying to make sense of things by using the elements we finished with instead of the foundation that built the series.

What I knew and loved was the universe itself, not all of the themes. Some of the themes I considered annoyingly organic-purist and in some cases anti-intellectual. The ending, badly implemented though it was, gave me more interesting possibilities, as well as the opportunity to preserve the universe.

The problem those of us who hate the ending have with your philosophy is that the ending is more of just asking a hypothetical question than something that was built upon by an actual plot. I can create interesting possibilities if I just make up something where possibilities are limitless, and that's exactly what the crucible is. It may make for interesting discussion and be a thought provoking decision, but it doesn't make it make any sense from a story perspective.

Which is somewhat true; the ending choices should have been foreshadowed much better. Control had a bit, but not enough, and Synthesis didn't have anything.

[Andromidius]

plfranke wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

@Ithurael

ME3 DLC is still ME3. He didnt say the end of ME3 is the end of Shepards story either. Just saying man

Well some random guy in an article did earlier today so it's pretty final dude.

Since when did 'random guys' get paid attention to?

[plfranke]

I wouldn't call it amazing. I would say it's even worst than the people who thought the ending was great from a literal view before the ec. He's basically fine with the trilogy ending with the Reapers in control of the Citadel, pressing on Earth and Shepard waking up in a pile of rubble wounded and none of us know where the hallucination began or how the war ended. It's interperetations like that which have made people hate IT.

[Andromidius]

Xilizhra wrote...
Which is somewhat true; the ending choices should have been foreshadowed much better. Control had a bit, but not enough, and Synthesis didn't have anything.

Both ARE foreshadowed.

AS BAD THINGS.

[Xilizhra]

Both ARE foreshadowed.

AS BAD THINGS.

Control is mixed: TIM is bad but Sanctuary got results. Destroy is also mixed, as killing off all geth is shown as a bad thing. Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

[plfranke]

See this is the beatiful thing about discussion and full expression. I used to not be able to stand xil, but after today and really talking without resorting to "this is true or this isn't true" I've began to respect her views on the game. There are some people of course whose views I think are ridiculous and could never respect, like Bill Casey who I once thought was awesome. It really makes you think.

[Andromidius]

Xilizhra wrote...

Both ARE foreshadowed.

AS BAD THINGS.

Control is mixed: TIM is bad but Sanctuary got results. Destroy is also mixed, as killing off all geth is shown as a bad thing. Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

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Results?  RESULTS?  What the hell are you smoking?  I'm so close to invoking Godwin's Law that I'm having to stop myself!

Edit; Oh, and keep lying about Synthesis.  Ignore everything Saren said, and what Javik said about other races in his time, and the Collectors...

Modifié par Andromidius, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:12 .

[spotlessvoid]

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll -hold onto your copy of me3 forever."
Mike Gamble

I just really doubt that means Leviathan and Omega plus possible Citadel DLC.

"Hey guys, three new missions which change nothing! Isn't forever awesome!Our plans were so amazing, I know. Mass Effective is so awesome now, I just want to hold on to it and never let go!"

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Andromidius]

spotlessvoid wrote...

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll -hold onto your copy of me3 forever."
Mike Gamble

I just really doubt that means Leviathan and Omega plus possible Citadel DLC.

"Hey guys, three new missions which change nothing! Isn't forever awesome! Are plans were so amazing, I know. Mass Effective is so awesome now, I just want to hold on to it and never let go!"

Indeed.

Also I think its funny how people take any statements about it being 'the end' for Shepard's story, but ignore everyone else that's been said that is currently false.  Things like 'no ABC ending', 'closure' and 'a chance for the Reapers to win'.

[Bill Casey]

Xilizhra wrote...

Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

Both ARE foreshadowed.

AS BAD THINGS.

Control is mixed: TIM is bad but Sanctuary got results. Destroy is also mixed, as killing off all geth is shown as a bad thing. Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

Saren. He's on a side quest in ME1. He mumbles something about synthesis, and if you bring Liara she says he might be indoctrinated

[Xilizhra]

Results? RESULTS? What the hell are you smoking? I'm so close to invoking Godwin's Law that I'm having to stop myself!

Well, it worked. Henry Lawson was able to seize control of the husk control signal. He just didn't have time to expand it to the Reapers themselves before they crashed the party (because the Reapers considered it a genuine threat).

Edit; Oh, and keep lying about Synthesis. Ignore everything Saren said, and what Javik said about other races in his time, and the Collectors...

None of them related to Synthesis when it actually goes properly; all of those are the "forced" variety that didn't work. It requires the alteration of the DNA matrix to allow more full integration with technology, otherwise the technology will always be forced onto the body in a way that doesn't work as well.

[Bill Casey]

The Reapers already alter DNA...
They extensively altered the DNA of the Collectors...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:20 .

[AresKeith]

Here's the thing about Saren in ME1, at first he talks about being slaves to the Reapers instead of being harvested. But when you meet him again on the Citadel with the implants, he starts talking about Synthesis.

That alone made me not trust Synthesis at the ending, along with Control

[Xilizhra]

Bill Casey wrote...

The Reapers already alter DNA...

Absorb it to create new Reapers, but they don't use it in the same manner.

And my point is that the foreshadowing should have given more workable examples of both control and synthesis, to counteract the preexisting bias many would have for destruction.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:21 .