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[spotlessvoid]

Sanctuary control-genuine threat
Crucible control- totally cool

[Bill Casey]

Xilizhra wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Reapers already alter DNA...

Absorb it to create new Reapers, but they don't use it in the same manner.

And my point is that the foreshadowing should have given more workable examples of both control and synthesis, to counteract the preexisting bias many would have for destruction.

No it shouldn't have because the ending is Shepard fighting Indoctrination...
That's the whole ****ing point...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:24 .

[Xilizhra]

Bill Casey wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Reapers already alter DNA...

Absorb it to create new Reapers, but they don't use it in the same manner.

And my point is that the foreshadowing should have given more workable examples of both control and synthesis, to counteract the preexisting bias many would have for destruction.

No it shouldn't have because the ending is Shepard fighting Indoctrination...
That's the whole ****ing point...

Well, according to you.

But if Control and Synthesis had been shown as more viable options from the beginning, and been better explained, I believe far fewer people would have a need to believe in something else for the ending.

[spotlessvoid]

Why doesn't starchild just stall Shep long enough for the crucible to get destroyed in low ems destroy. Would have been the perfect time to explain the race who invented the crucible.Which has existed a long time. He knows who invented it. But he only became aware of it several cycles ago.


Legit

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:36 .

[spotlessvoid]

" But if Control and Synthesis had been shown as more viable options from the beginning, and been better explained, I believe far fewer people would have a need to believe in something else for the ending."

But the exact opposite was done...

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

" But if Control and Synthesis had been shown as more viable options from the beginning, and been better explained, I believe far fewer people would have a need to believe in something else for the ending."

But the exact opposite was done...

Not the opposite, just a clumsily implemented mixed bag. And my question is hypothetical.

[spotlessvoid]

One wooden nickel in a bag of gold coins doesn't make a mix

[Bill Casey]

Also, you are forcing synthesis...
It's rape...

[spotlessvoid]

Bill Casey wrote...

Also, you are forcing synthesis...
It's rape...

Everyday of your life, forever

[masster blaster]

So after nine hours of playing Lord of the rings, and watching all three movies. I can't wait for the Hobbit to come out. And really Xil your still asking the same questions? I could have sorrown that you were talking about Control, and Synthesis like ten hours ago, or maby less since I wasn't here.

Also is it me or did we hyper jump 20 pages while I was gone. I guess I better go read them.

Also Swboyj That's great that your boyfriend got hired by Bioware.

[Home run MF]

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

" But if Control and Synthesis had been shown as more viable options from the beginning, and been better explained, I believe far fewer people would have a need to believe in something else for the ending."

But the exact opposite was done...

Not the opposite, just a clumsily implemented mixed bag. And my question is hypothetical.

You know what's fun? Mass Effect: Evolution the arca monolith (a Reaper artifact) lets Desolas Arterius think he can control the husks it creates and that they will be his army. Later they discover it was a trap an "illusion", the artifact just wanted more people to convert them into husks he was never in control.
Who in ME3 thinks he can control husks and creates a hole facility to convert everyone into them?

Modifié par Home run MF, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:37 .

[Bill Casey]

Desolas Arterius also talks about using the Arca Monolith as an evolution accelerator...

Evolution was written by Mac Walters, wasn't it?

[Xilizhra]

Who in ME3 thinks he can control husks and creates a hole facility to convert everyone into them?

Who has that plan not actually go wrong internally, just has it get attacked from the outside?

[spotlessvoid]

Why doesn't starchild just stall Shep long enough for the crucible to get destroyed in low ems destroy?

Please answer this Xil

[Domanese]

Xilizhra wrote...

Both ARE foreshadowed.

AS BAD THINGS.

Control is mixed: TIM is bad but Sanctuary got results. Destroy is also mixed, as killing off all geth is shown as a bad thing. Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

Actually Synthesis is foreshadowed in Mass Effect 2 and with Saren in Mass Effect 1. Not as heavily as say Control is in three but it is there. For example the whole arc is about Harbinger making a new Reaper before the cycle begins in secret and we see what that result entails partially. Also Legion when you act more Renegade towards him when talking with him says and I quote "The Reapers are more your future then ours". After the suicide mission you learn why he says that. He knew what the Reapers actually are and I am quoting here, "Transcended Flesh" a merging between organic and synthetics. For further hints Sovereign and Saren also glorifies this in Mass Effect 1.

So yes Synthesis was actually shown in a negative light representing what the Reapers actually are and what they consider to be the final evolution.

Modifié par Domanese, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:39 .

[BleedingUranium]

Asking why Control or Synthesis can't be good is like asking why you can't use the One Ring for yourself.

[Xilizhra]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Why doesn't starchild just stall Shep long enough for the crucible to get destroyed in low ems destroy?

Please answer this Xil

I've never had low EMS and am ineligible to answer the question.

Asking why Control or Synthesis
can't be good is like asking why you can't use the One Ring for
yourself.

Having technology count as evil magic is something ME should be utterly ashamed of itself for, if this is true.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:39 .

[spotlessvoid]

" I've never had low EMS and am ineligible to answer the question."

Then youtube it

[spotlessvoid]

Edi describes the Collectors as synthesis

[masster blaster]

Xil Control at Sanctuary didn't work. Yes they managed to turn people into husk and Controlled them, but once the Reapers showed up they took Control over the created Reaper forces. It's sad really. All of TIM's work just gone. He never Controlled anything in ME3.

Turining his own kind into Husk, and Indoctrinating his troops, and taking people to become his army. He is the Reapers b**** now. Their is nothing good about TIM anymore. He is gone. The only good thing Cerberus has done, was bringing Shepard back to the fight, yet he set us up.

[BleedingUranium]

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Why doesn't starchild just stall Shep long enough for the crucible to get destroyed in low ems destroy?

Please answer this Xil

I've never had low EMS and am ineligible to answer the question.

Asking why Control or Synthesis
can't be good is like asking why you can't use the One Ring for
yourself.

Having technology count as evil magic is something ME should be utterly ashamed of itself for, if this is true.

Not technology. A mindset. Just the idea that you could use the ring is bad.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:47 .

[Xilizhra]

Not technology. A mindset. Just the idea that you could use the ring is bad.

I maintain that the idea that you can't use your enemy's technology due to mystical or semimystical prohibitions is idiotic to the extreme, which is why I appreciate the ending breaking that idea.

[BleedingUranium]

Hey look, more evidence Bioware still knows the Collectors are synthesis:

The Codex wrote...

This short weapon is a hybrid of mechanical and organic parts, some more advanced than the Collector assault rifle. It vents heat automatically rather than requiring thermal clips and, when wielded by a Collector, extends a neural link to their skin at the wrist. Its ammunition is effective against armor and low recoil makes it a good weapon for sustained suppression.

[spotlessvoid]

Like the derelict Reaper which doesnt indoctrinate anyone

[BleedingUranium]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not technology. A mindset. Just the idea that you could use the ring is bad.

I maintain that the idea that you can't use your enemy's technology due to mystical or semimystical prohibitions is idiotic to the extreme, which is why I appreciate the ending breaking that idea.

No, it's because Reaper tech indoctrinates. That's why you can't use it. Besides, you not liking a core theme doesn't make it not true.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:50 .