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[Xilizhra]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Hey look, more evidence Bioware still knows the Collectors are synthesis:

The Codex wrote...

This short weapon is a hybrid of mechanical and organic parts, some more advanced than the Collector assault rifle. It vents heat automatically rather than requiring thermal clips and, when wielded by a Collector, extends a neural link to their skin at the wrist. Its ammunition is effective against armor and low recoil makes it a good weapon for sustained suppression.

And all of this is extremely useful. Why the hell is this being painted as being inherently tainted somehow, except by an idiotically organic-purist mindset?

No, it's because Reaper tech indoctrinates. That's why you can't use it.

Not all of it. And I'm not fond of that aspect either, to be honest.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 20 octobre 2012 - 05:50 .

[masster blaster]

Control has never worked, nor has Synthesis. Destroy has always worked, and so has refuse. Control is good and bad. We want to Control the Reapers, but we are taking away their freedom if we Control them. That's more like slavery to me. They have no say, and have to follow what Shepard wants.

In Synthesis everyones happy, but it's wrong. We forced the galaxy to get along with the Reapers, and we erased their memorys. Haven't you all notice that in Synthesis everyone is to perfect. Were is the crime, were is the war, where is Javik killing Reapers.

[Home run MF]

Xilizhra wrote...

Who in ME3 thinks he can control husks and creates a hole facility to convert everyone into them?

Who has that plan not actually go wrong internally, just has it get attacked from the outside?

Yes, they attack just when Shepard appears what a coincidence. That's exactly my point, if you want to indoctrinate someone don't you have to let them have the illusion they can control you?

[BleedingUranium]

Xilizhra wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Hey look, more evidence Bioware still knows the Collectors are synthesis:

The Codex wrote...

This short weapon is a hybrid of mechanical and organic parts, some more advanced than the Collector assault rifle. It vents heat automatically rather than requiring thermal clips and, when wielded by a Collector, extends a neural link to their skin at the wrist. Its ammunition is effective against armor and low recoil makes it a good weapon for sustained suppression.

And all of this is extremely useful. Why the hell is this being painted as being inherently tainted somehow, except by an idiotically organic-purist mindset?

No, it's because Reaper tech indoctrinates. That's why you can't use it.

Not all of it. And I'm not fond of that aspect either, to be honest.

Name me something that doesn't. Regardless, your fondness of a theme doesn't make it untrue.

It's the same as (not directed at you) the fact that the Geth are people in the MEU. Not different that anyone else. Your personal views on the Geth or whether sentient synthetics could actually exist in real life don't matter.

[Bill Casey]

Xilizhra wrote...

Not all of it. And I'm not fond of that aspect either, to be honest.

Then destroy it...

[Ithurael]

Bill Casey wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Synthesis is never even hinted at anywhere in the narrative.

LOL

The reapers ARE synthesis!

ME2 makes this abundantly clear (and horrendously clear as well) the ME3 reapers seemed to be retconned to simple roombas to make way for starkid (literal interpretation) Though in IT the reapers gain more of an edge than I could even comprehend.

[Arashi08]

The use of the "technology" (which is apparently powered by handwavium) and the mindset that justifies the use of it are related, yet very different things. Power is power and power is meant to be used, but do you really believe that we as a species are ready to make decisions on behalf of the entire galaxy? Can someone truly try to separate themselves from the everyone and everything else because they BELIEVE they know what's best? or because they can't make tough decisions and want so badly to try and save everyone that they end up becoming the oppresor?

[masster blaster]

Look Xil what do you think Saren wanted in ME1?

Honest if I were to go ask the Synthesis, and the Controls, did you play ME1, or ME2 and if they say no. Then that's all we need.

If they never played ME1, or ME2, then they have no clue what really is happening at the end, or what the chocies really mean.

Also isn't if funny that Reapers= Order= Control

Organics/Synthetics= chaos= Destroy. Simply as that. If you don't know what I am talking about, then go find Sovergin conversation on youtibe, or go replay ME1.

[Bill Casey]

From the artbook...

The brute was named to suggest its appearance: a large enemy with an oversized claw, able to pick up and mash Shepard into the ground. The Krogan were a perfect species to use as a model. We decided to swap out the Krogan head for something turian, making for a grisly synthesis of two species whose planets were closely linked in the invasion plan.

[spotlessvoid]

Xilizhra wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Why doesn't starchild just stall Shep long enough for the crucible to get destroyed in low ems destroy?

Please answer this Xil

I've never had low EMS and am ineligible to answer the question.

You're going to stick with that? It's an absolutely devastating blow to the literal ending.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:01 .

[Arashi08]

Xilizhra wrote...

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And all of this is extremely useful. Why the hell is this being painted as being inherently tainted somehow, except by an idiotically organic-purist mindset?

Asbestos is useful too...

[Bill Casey]

masster blaster wrote...

Organics/Synthetics= chaos= Destroy. Simply as that. If you don't know what I am talking about, then go find Sovergin conversation on youtibe, or go replay ME1.

Just replay Rannoch...
The Rannoch Reaper flat out says...

"We Represent Order. You Represent Chaos."

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:01 .

[TSA_383]

Congrats Bill on bringing this up, I'd forgotten Archer's quotes in overlord, it's almost worth an entire new video etc on its own:

Bill Casey wrote...

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

[masster blaster]

Bill also the Catalyst is clear that we are the chaos, so what better way to cause chaos is to kill all Reapers in Destroy. Also Reapers are very crafty. They Indoctrinated the Alliance parliment. If you talk to EDI the Reapers ( Harbinger) wanted to make peace with them.

In the end the leaders told everyone that nobody is to fight the Reapers, if they do they would be killed. Honsetly what do you think the brat's doing at the end.

Making peace with us. Ya I saw what you did to my leaders ya not happening.

[Bill Casey]

EDI: Admiral Anderson reports that the Reapers on Earth are broadcasting orders. They are demanding human leaders enter their super structures in order to negotiate peace.

Shepard: Anybody aboard a Reaper is going to be indoctrinated.

EDI: Exactly. This is a ruse to pacify the populace during that process. Citizens who are busy waiting are not busy fighting. It is likely that the governments of Earth will soon enact laws punishing those who attack the Reaper occupiers. Again, this will be done in the name of peace.

[masster blaster]

Never trust a Reaper. Also what about what Diana Allers says about the Alliance parlement? I know she may not be everyones favorite character, but there is some things she say is always giving me the wrong feeling.

[masster blaster]

Oh bill bring up the talk with Tranyor about hiw she didn't want to kill the Reapers, until she saw what happened at Sanctuary. She didn't want to kill them, just only hurt them, yet when she saw Horizon it changed her personality.

Also isn't it funny if we refuse the brat the beam shuts down, and we see an Alliance ship blow up. Now isn't it funny that the beam just's shuts down, yet in the other endings the beam can either go away, or shoot out. Also did we ever talk about that dreadnought that get's blown up in the beginning of ME3?

That reminded me of refuse. Shepard has seen a dreanought get blown up, yet if a dreanought get's blown up, then it should let out a huge atomic explosion sound in space. Causing Shepard to fly back like in the beginning of ME3.

[BleedingUranium]

masster blaster wrote...

Never trust a Reaper. Also what about what Diana Allers says about the Alliance parlement? I know she may not be everyones favorite character, but there is some things she say is always giving me the wrong feeling.

I remember her e-mail before Earth was very pro-destroy, in a message-to-the-player kind of way. Can someone find it? I'm playing MP right now

[Bill Casey]

Commander

I don’t know if you are aware how much you mean to people, but I am. The things I see in Battlespace’s mailbox could make a geth grow tear ducts. Page after page of people asking you to go save their mother’s planet, or the homeworld they outgrew, or the mining colony they sank their fortunes into. They don’t know that you can’t do it all. They just know Commander Shepard beat a Reaper once and can do it again.

I know how they feel. When I heard about Bekenstein, it was like all the nerves in my body were cut. But I need to believe this isn’t the end. I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana

P.S. If I end up making it out of this but you don’t, I’ll be sure you get a hero’s funeral and a Bekenstein wake. That’s like an Irish wake, but not as sober and reserved.

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:38 .

[Bill Casey]

Bekenstein wake not as "sober" as an Irish wake...
This adds to my "Diana Allers is a functional alcoholic" theory...

[plfranke]

So the ending is Shepard fighting off indoctrination in an epic mental struggle only to be physically killed by the Reapers moments later?

[Bill Casey]

If you want to go all Jacob's Ladder on it...
However, the breath scene denotes the indomitable human spirit overcoming, which heavily implies we win...

[plfranke]

lol so a guy breathing in a pile of rubble is Bioware saying we conventionally defeated the Reapers despite everyone telling us we would lose conventionally?

[Bill Casey]

Where'd you get conventionally from?

[plfranke]

How else are you expecting to defeat the Reapers?