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[Bill Casey]

The Crucible?
You can only get the breath scene if you still want to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:00 .

[BleedingUranium]

Bill Casey wrote...

Commander

I don’t know if you are aware how much you mean to people, but I am. The things I see in Battlespace’s mailbox could make a geth grow tear ducts. Page after page of people asking you to go save their mother’s planet, or the homeworld they outgrew, or the mining colony they sank their fortunes into. They don’t know that you can’t do it all. They just know Commander Shepard beat a Reaper once and can do it again.

I know how they feel. When I heard about Bekenstein, it was like all the nerves in my body were cut. But I need to believe this isn’t the end. I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana

P.S. If I end up making it out of this but you don’t, I’ll be sure you get a hero’s funeral and a Bekenstein wake. That’s like an Irish wake, but not as sober and reserved.

Holy 4th wall breaking foreshadowing

[Andromidius]

Bill Casey wrote...

If you want to go all Jacob's Ladder on it...
However, the breath scene denotes the indomitable human spirit overcoming, which heavily implies we win...

Include 'can' in that statement and I agree.

Refuse certainly adds to the concept of victory being possible - it states they won the war before it even really began during their cycle.  Of course it might mean they used the Crucle and performed Space Magic themselves, but since its mentioned the Crucible didn't work and its not mentioned that they used it implies otherwise.

Of course, conventional victory isn't possible - but unconventional victory is, certainly.  Ask the North Vietnamese.

But hey.

[BleedingUranium]

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

If you want to go all Jacob's Ladder on it...
However, the breath scene denotes the indomitable human spirit overcoming, which heavily implies we win...

Include 'can' in that statement and I agree.

Refuse certainly adds to the concept of victory being possible - it states they won the war before it even really began during their cycle.  Of course it might mean they used the Crucle and performed Space Magic themselves, but since its mentioned the Crucible didn't work and its not mentioned that they used it implies otherwise.

Of course, conventional victory isn't possible - but unconventional victory is, certainly.  Ask the North Vietnamese.

But hey.

Right, this is what a lot of people don't get. We can't defeat them conventionally, but we certainly can without the Crucible. There are plenty of examples of using unconventional means to great effect during the Reaper war, quite a few are mentioned in various codex entries.

[magikbbg]

Holy cow 260,000 views. You go guys !! I wanna believe In IT!!!!

Edit::  guys and gals

Modifié par magikbbg, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:06 .

[BansheeOwnage]

magikbbg wrote...

Holy cow 260,000 views. You go guys !! I wanna believe In IT!!!!

Edit::  guys and gals

Well, go ahead. It's not really a belief. It's simply an interpretation. If you think it's cool, use it! We haven't been proven wrong yet. If we are, it will simply be my headcanon. Nothing wrong with that. The only "belief" factor is whether or not you think Bioware intended it, and whether or not you think they will add to it. You don't need all 3 to "believe" IT.

[plfranke]

Bill Casey wrote...

The Crucible?
You can only get the breath scene if you still want to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...

So your theory is, the crucible is a legitimate device that does what has been said even though its backstory is ridiculous? I'll give you that, but I think it's reaching to say that Shepard wakes up out of the rubble, they board the citadel and open the arms to dock the crucible and it destroys the Reapers with the clean flip of a switch. I think that takes some reaching and a whole lot of headcanon but it's a lot more acceptable than what I thought you were saying, which was that Shepard waking up is a good ending to the mass effect series with no conclusion to the Reaper conflict.

[Bill Casey]

I would think you would enjoy open endings more, what with your avatar looking like the lovechild of "The Lady and The Tiger"...

[BansheeOwnage]

Bill Casey wrote...

I would think you would enjoy open endings more, what with your avatar looking like the lovechild of "The Lady and The Tiger"...

Funny, but I'm just going to repeat what Spotless said. I know this isn't your opinion, but this isn't an ending. An end resolves the plot. This is a cliffhanger. Open endings are okay.

[BleedingUranium]

plfranke wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Crucible?
You can only get the breath scene if you still want to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...

So your theory is, the crucible is a legitimate device that does what has been said even though its backstory is ridiculous? I'll give you that, but I think it's reaching to say that Shepard wakes up out of the rubble, they board the citadel and open the arms to dock the crucible and it destroys the Reapers with the clean flip of a switch. I think that takes some reaching and a whole lot of headcanon but it's a lot more acceptable than what I thought you were saying, which was that Shepard waking up is a good ending to the mass effect series with no conclusion to the Reaper conflict.

I doubt the Crucible could be legitimate, and I'm still in favour of the Crucible Trap/Rio theory

[BleedingUranium]

magnetite wrote...

A quote from Retribution:

"The simple minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together..."

That is so true, least when it comes to the ending reaction.

Wow, that's perfect!

[CmdrShep80]

 @[/s]masseffect @[/s]bioware are there plans for more campaign dlc after omega? I like multiplayer and all but I want more story.. A new squadmate?
@[/s]therubexcube We're not talking too much past Omega at this point, but definitely stay tuned.
Interesting...from 4 days ago on twitter

[plfranke]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

I would think you would enjoy open endings more, what with your avatar looking like the lovechild of "The Lady and The Tiger"...

Funny, but I'm just going to repeat what Spotless said. I know this isn't your opinion, but this isn't an ending. An end resolves the plot. This is a cliffhanger. Open endings are okay.

I'm an easy going guy, but I need to see the story come to a close. My main problem is the "every interperetation is right!" stance Bioware has on this. I've explained why countless times but basically it comes down to, there's too big a difference between the synthesis ending and the kind of ending we're talking about and they both can't be right. I believe the kind of ending you support is a great ending for a game that is the bridge to me4 but not for the conclusion to Shepard's story or as a finale to what was supposed to be an epic showdown with the Reapers.

[plfranke]

BleedingUranium wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Crucible?
You can only get the breath scene if you still want to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...

So your theory is, the crucible is a legitimate device that does what has been said even though its backstory is ridiculous? I'll give you that, but I think it's reaching to say that Shepard wakes up out of the rubble, they board the citadel and open the arms to dock the crucible and it destroys the Reapers with the clean flip of a switch. I think that takes some reaching and a whole lot of headcanon but it's a lot more acceptable than what I thought you were saying, which was that Shepard waking up is a good ending to the mass effect series with no conclusion to the Reaper conflict.

I doubt the Crucible could be legitimate, and I'm still in favour of the Crucible Trap/Rio theory

Yeah if the Crucible is a legitimate super weapon that's just the worst writing ever.

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

A quote from Retribution:

"The simple minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together..."

That is so true, least when it comes to the ending reaction.

Awesome. You want something truly perfect?

Behold.

[plfranke]

Anyway I'm out guys I need sleep. Btw Bill would you still like IT if it was revealed and the story ended through dlc?

[BatmanTurian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

magnetite wrote...

A quote from Retribution:

"The simple minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together..."

That is so true, least when it comes to the ending reaction.

Wow, that's perfect!

That is now my signature.

[BansheeOwnage]

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

magnetite wrote...

A quote from Retribution:

"The simple minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together..."

That is so true, least when it comes to the ending reaction.

Wow, that's perfect!

That is now my signature.

Nice! It's perfect. You should honestly link the other one too. I would, but mine is full


Goodnight everyone.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:56 .

[BatmanTurian]

It's like 3 in the morning here and I have partial insomnia. Woke up at 3 and can't get back to sleep. Saw you guys argue with Xil again. I find Xil's arguments shallow and pedantic (yes, a family guy reference, but the phrase fits if you look it up). They lack substance and focus on minute details that have already been explained several times even just on page 1.

[smokingotter1]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's like 3 in the morning here and I have partial insomnia. Woke up at 3 and can't get back to sleep. Saw you guys argue with Xil again. I find Xil's arguments shallow and pedantic (yes, a family guy reference, but the phrase fits if you look it up). They lack substance and focus on minute details that have already been explained several times even just on page 1.

This otter is alone, with his pumpkin smelling candle waiting a partner to fight the reapers.\\
edit: Killed plenty of reapers so its all good.

Modifié par smokingotter1, 20 octobre 2012 - 02:46 .

[BatmanTurian]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

magnetite wrote...

A quote from Retribution:

"The simple minded focused on the holes in the story; they needed an explanation for every loose end. The intelligent filled in the holes themselves, using logic, reason, and creative thinking to weave the threads together..."

That is so true, least when it comes to the ending reaction.

Wow, that's perfect!

That is now my signature.

Nice! It's perfect. You should honestly link the other one too. I would, but mine is full


Goodnight everyone.

Done and done. good night.

[BatmanTurian]

there. I think I got it to fit with some formatting.

EDIT: yep, looks great!

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

plfranke wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

The Crucible?
You can only get the breath scene if you still want to use the crucible to destroy the reapers...

So your theory is, the crucible is a legitimate device that does what has been said even though its backstory is ridiculous? I'll give you that, but I think it's reaching to say that Shepard wakes up out of the rubble, they board the citadel and open the arms to dock the crucible and it destroys the Reapers with the clean flip of a switch. I think that takes some reaching and a whole lot of headcanon but it's a lot more acceptable than what I thought you were saying, which was that Shepard waking up is a good ending to the mass effect series with no conclusion to the Reaper conflict.

I doubt the Crucible could be legitimate, and I'm still in favour of the Crucible Trap/Rio theory

Yeah if the Crucible is a legitimate super weapon that's just the worst writing ever.

Maybe not as an intended weapon by the Reapers, but even if it is a trap the fact that the Reapers had to make it convincing can still come back to bite them in the ass. We know the Crucible can generate absolutely ridicilous amounts of energy, this energy might still be useful even if the Crucible in its original intention is a trap.

Now I have said these things before, but one idea is that it might somehow be used to reconfigure the Citadel turnings its Mass Relay into a Mass Accelerator cannon of ridicolous size, kinda like the shot which took out the Derelict Reaper.

Or worst case scenario we might be able to overload the Citadel core with it taking out the Reapers in the explosion. Might not win us the war as we probably lose everything at Earth, but would give the next cycle a hell of a better fighting chance.

Though I still say we need the Crucible in some capacity to win. Yes certain unconventional tactics have inflicted some casualties to the Reapers, but at the battle of Earth we dont exactly have the opputunity to use alot of those tactics. It is more of a straight up battle and we are going to lose that without something to tip the scales.

Now who might come up with a solution on how to redirect the Crucible´s energy if needed? I dont know, but I have a guess on who might be involved: Cerberus.

Cerberus had the Crucible plans as well and I have a feeling in the case of post breath scene content that we havent heard the last from them, wether for good or bad.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 20 octobre 2012 - 08:10 .