Well then I want some of what you've been drinking because the model and textures for it are the same "Sovereign-style-capital-ship" that we've seen dozens of times by nowEpyonX3 wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
Wasn't there a couple of lines in the script that suggested Leviathan didn't look quite like the reapers we've come to recognise?EpyonX3 wrote...
I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.
Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!
[Old Coot Mode Over]
That'd make sense, as reapers (asides harbinger) don't tend to have a whole lot of identifying features. Hell, they had to give the asari those facial markings so people could tell which was which
I found the Crucible reaper to look really different. It caught my eye instantly. He's silverish with bronze limbs. Almost like he was a special reaper or made those changes himself to individualize himself.
Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
#3676
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:47
#3677
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:48
http://social.biowar...ndex/13474338/1
So do you guys think that the Leviathan will disprove, prove or give strong hints towards the IT? Mike has already said that it is tied in with the EC content...will Leviathan prove or disprove the Catalyst's claims??
#3678
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:49
masster blaster wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
EpyonX3 wrote...
I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.
Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!
[Old Coot Mode Over]
That just means we have to pick Destroy to free him, and the galaxy of the Catalyst/Reapers.
Not really. We just have to not refuse. Destroy will actually kill him.
That's the point we free him, and everyone that made him/the other Reapers when we kill them because I think they don't want to live like a Reaper forever.
That's possible too. Just one more thing that's up to the player. Depends on how you see it.
#3679
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:50
TJBartlemus wrote...
Really, all I am doing is waiting for Leviathan to come out so I can start a new ME3 campaign. I am also waiting for whatever speculations the Leviathan DLC gives so I can see if it affects the IT or the WNT. (Could someone go over to the WNT thread to start a discussion??)
http://social.biowar...ndex/13474338/1
So do you guys think that the Leviathan will disprove, prove or give strong hints towards the IT? Mike has already said that it is tied in with the EC content...will Leviathan prove or disprove the Catalyst's claims??
If it proves the Catalyst's claims then the whole exposition would be an exercise in futility.
#3680
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:50
TSA_383 wrote...
Well then I want some of what you've been drinking because the model and textures for it are the same "Sovereign-style-capital-ship" that we've seen dozens of times by nowEpyonX3 wrote...
TSA_383 wrote...
Wasn't there a couple of lines in the script that suggested Leviathan didn't look quite like the reapers we've come to recognise?EpyonX3 wrote...
I'm confident that Leviathan is actually in hiding because the catalyst will eventually try to take control over it. I'm 100% certain that the reaper we see flying around is in fact Leviathan. We don't see him attacking organics until after Shepard refuses. He gets Leviathan to risk exposing himself and end the reapers once in for all only to not fire the Crucible.
Which gave the Catalyst ample time to take over. He then starts to take out organic ships after you refuse. That's when Shepard's face looks disappointed, because it's there that he realizes that he had wasted his chance and let down all his allies, including a reaper!
[Old Coot Mode Over]
That'd make sense, as reapers (asides harbinger) don't tend to have a whole lot of identifying features. Hell, they had to give the asari those facial markings so people could tell which was which
I found the Crucible reaper to look really different. It caught my eye instantly. He's silverish with bronze limbs. Almost like he was a special reaper or made those changes himself to individualize himself.
His shape and tructure is similar. His color plating is different. That's what I meant.
#3681
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:51
It only proves how important this thread is to BioWare that they don't want off-topic clutter here. Remember that too much off-topicness makes reading the thread very tedious for those who search for IT ideas.masster blaster wrote...
N7L4D wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
Get this topic back on topic please. If not, it will get closed and people found to be off topic will be banned.
Thats a little extreme commander
Not really but we wants us to speculate because It has some intrest in Bioware/him.
#3682
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:51
byne wrote...
Home run MF wrote...
byne wrote...
So....
Godchild: The created will always rebel against their creators
Shepard: What about the keepers?
Godchild: They dont count.
Shepard: Oh, ok then.
But the keepers are not machines.
I didnt say they were. I said they were created. Godchild claims that means they must rebel. They never have.
I think - rather ironically- that's taking the claim too literally, and out of context. He plainly means synthetics. They are "created" intelligence as opposed to organic- naturally evolved- intelligence. I hate even engaging in this kind of parlance. The keepers are not created- they existed before- but have been modified. And how about uplifted species? But the catalyst's argument is restricted to this ridiculous, dogmatic, formal and inflexible line between "synthetics" and "organics" and how, inevitably, the former will rebel against the latter.
Modifié par legaldinho, 03 août 2012 - 08:52 .
#3683
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:51
TJBartlemus wrote...
Really, all I am doing is waiting for Leviathan to come out so I can start a new ME3 campaign. I am also waiting for whatever speculations the Leviathan DLC gives so I can see if it affects the IT or the WNT. (Could someone go over to the WNT thread to start a discussion??)
http://social.biowar...ndex/13474338/1
So do you guys think that the Leviathan will disprove, prove or give strong hints towards the IT? Mike has already said that it is tied in with the EC content...will Leviathan prove or disprove the Catalyst's claims??
At this point, I see no reason for Leviathan to exist other than these two mutually exclusive possibilities.
1: Leviathan is there to confirm Star-Brat's story and give some justification for his existance.
2: Leviathan is there to confirm what we've been saying from day one. That the Catalyst is full of shisno.
I don't see any reason other than one of these two reasons.
#3684
Posté 03 août 2012 - 08:52
TJBartlemus wrote...
Really, all I am doing is waiting for Leviathan to come out so I can start a new ME3 campaign. I am also waiting for whatever speculations the Leviathan DLC gives so I can see if it affects the IT or the WNT. (Could someone go over to the WNT thread to start a discussion??)
http://social.biowar...ndex/13474338/1
So do you guys think that the Leviathan will disprove, prove or give strong hints towards the IT? Mike has already said that it is tied in with the EC content...will Leviathan prove or disprove the Catalyst's claims??
I'd bet all my money that Leviathan, much like Harbinger and Sovereign, will say several things that contradict the Catalyst. I base this on the fact that any DLC hoping to shed more light on the Reapers' history would fall flat on it's face if it merely confirmed what the Catalyst already told Shepard.
#3685
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:00
I say space magic is finally proven,
Modifié par TJBartlemus, 03 août 2012 - 09:01 .
#3686
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:00
Dwailing wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Really, all I am doing is waiting for Leviathan to come out so I can start a new ME3 campaign. I am also waiting for whatever speculations the Leviathan DLC gives so I can see if it affects the IT or the WNT. (Could someone go over to the WNT thread to start a discussion??)
http://social.biowar...ndex/13474338/1
So do you guys think that the Leviathan will disprove, prove or give strong hints towards the IT? Mike has already said that it is tied in with the EC content...will Leviathan prove or disprove the Catalyst's claims??
At this point, I see no reason for Leviathan to exist other than these two mutually exclusive possibilities.
1: Leviathan is there to confirm Star-Brat's story and give some justification for his existance.
2: Leviathan is there to confirm what we've been saying from day one. That the Catalyst is full of shisno.
I don't see any reason other than one of these two reasons.
It would be nice if it definitively did one of the two. We'll find out soon, I hope!
#3687
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:04
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one.
I say space magic is finally proven,but does it affect anything with IT?
mod maybe, but if not then well dam Joke is one lucky son of a b****.
#3688
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:06
FellishBeast wrote...
It would be nice if it definitively did one of the two. We'll find out soon, I hope!
Checked out your sig and left you a comment of what I think.
Modifié par EpyonX3, 03 août 2012 - 09:10 .
#3689
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:07
masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one.
I say space magic is finally proven,but does it affect anything with IT?
mod maybe, but if not then well dam Joke is one lucky son of a b****.
No mod. A guy actually perposely killed off everyone to get this ending. (He actually has a thread on BSN that is pretty popular right now.) Surprising thing is that though Traynor is clearly not dead, she doesn't appear in the end thing. You would think they would put her in that position if everyone did die, but BioWare didn't. Hmmmm.....
#3690
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:09
TJBartlemus wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one.
I say space magic is finally proven,but does it affect anything with IT?
mod maybe, but if not then well dam Joke is one lucky son of a b****.
No mod. A guy actually perposely killed off everyone to get this ending. (He actually has a thread on BSN that is pretty popular right now.) Surprising thing is that though Traynor is clearly not dead, she doesn't appear in the end thing. You would think they would put her in that position if everyone did die, but BioWare didn't. Hmmmm.....
How did Javik,Liara,and Vega died. That's the thing, since it looks like he got mid EMS Destroy.
#3691
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:11
#3692
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:11
TJBartlemus wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one.
I say space magic is finally proven,but does it affect anything with IT?
mod maybe, but if not then well dam Joke is one lucky son of a b****.
No mod. A guy actually perposely killed off everyone to get this ending. (He actually has a thread on BSN that is pretty popular right now.) Surprising thing is that though Traynor is clearly not dead, she doesn't appear in the end thing. You would think they would put her in that position if everyone did die, but BioWare didn't. Hmmmm.....
My first guess is that it's a bug and that should be Traynor putting the tag on the wall. But it would be nice to have a comment on that from Bioware.
#3693
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:11
Modifié par shepdog77, 03 août 2012 - 09:12 .
#3694
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:14
MaximizedAction wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
masster blaster wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one.
I say space magic is finally proven,but does it affect anything with IT?
mod maybe, but if not then well dam Joke is one lucky son of a b****.
No mod. A guy actually perposely killed off everyone to get this ending. (He actually has a thread on BSN that is pretty popular right now.) Surprising thing is that though Traynor is clearly not dead, she doesn't appear in the end thing. You would think they would put her in that position if everyone did die, but BioWare didn't. Hmmmm.....
My first guess is that it's a bug and that should be Traynor putting the tag on the wall. But it would be nice to have a comment on that from Bioware.
Never mind, it was mid MES in Destroy ending.
Modifié par masster blaster, 03 août 2012 - 09:31 .
#3695
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:26
Notice when the two soldiers get turned into Ashes it's like something was not right, but we see the same soldier at the end, the one who tried to help the wounded soldier, is picking up the helmet. That we see at the end of every choice.
Modifié par masster blaster, 03 août 2012 - 09:27 .
#3696
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:28
The crows attacked his house.EpyonX3 wrote...
FellishBeast wrote...
It would be nice if it definitively did one of the two. We'll find out soon, I hope!
Checked out your sig and left you a comment of what I think.
Modifié par paxxton, 03 août 2012 - 09:30 .
#3697
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:30
Arashi08 wrote...
Ah I see. Sounds more interwsting than humans being Forerunner anyway. Still, it does create a bit of a plothole with Halo 3, which is still annoying imo.byne wrote...
Arashi08 wrote...
Is this posted somewhere? because I've not heard of this. Ugh, why change things in such a way 343? And BW too since the Dark Energy plotline sounds like it was far more interesting than the whole "destroy you so you won't be destroyed" thing.byne wrote...
Arashi08 wrote...
True, but even Gravemind said the same thing, and considering the Flood wiped the Forerunners out (well technically they wiped themselves out to stop the Flood) You'd think an entity as old as Gravemind supposedly is would be able to tell.
It's all just one big confusing mess it seems...
Considering the humans and the prophets were allied during the Humans' war with the Forerunners, you'd think the Prophets would have recognized them, too.
Still, really intrigued by Leviathan.
They had an alliance, according to the Halo Wiki.
I believe that info comes from the Halo: Cryptum book.
I know this is late, but I wish to clarify the whole thing:
Over 150,000 years, before Humanity even existed, the Precursors were creating races and wiping them out if they were deemed unworhty for the mantle. Eventually they created the Forerunners whom were also deemed unworthy and before they could be wiped out the Forerunners rebeled and killed/banished their creators. As to how they won has been lost to history but subtle hints have risen. The remaining Precursors who fled outside the galaxy created one more race, Humanity. Hundreds of thousands of years later around 150,000 B.C. Humanity had a full fledge galatic empire alongside the Forerunners.
But after discovering a 'powder' in an unknown ship that came from the nearby galaxy, Humans began to experiment with it and realized it had good effects on animals. However the effects eventually changed and thus the animals and those who they infected became the first of the Flood. Which the Precursors also created over 10 million years ago for reasons we only known as being called: "But the roots of the Flood may be found in an act of enormous barbarity, carried out beyond our galaxy ten million years before..."
"driven to desperation after losing many of their colonies in their conflict against the Flood, humanity invaded a Forerunner-controlled sector of space and annihilated fifty defenseless systems in which the Forerunners had resettled other species. After the indigenous populations were eliminated, humanity replaced with human colonies to strengthen their hold over their new territories. Devastated by the Flood infestation, humanity looked to forcibly take new worlds anywhere, including those inhabited by Forerunners.[8] The rapid expansion of human technology and power created tensions with the more powerful Forerunner empire, which finally retaliated against the humans, sparking the war.[2] The Didact, commander-in-chief of the Forerunner military, saw humanity as one of the most contentious, bigoted, and self-centered species in the galaxy. Although initially successful in destroying and conquering many Forerunner worlds, humanity was eventually pushed back to Charum Hakkor.[8] Erda was one of the earliest worlds lost to the Forerunners; the loss of their homeworld was a tremendous blow to humanity's morale.[6] Over the course of the war, humanity never came closer than 15,000 light years of the Orion complex, the center of Forerunner power.[9] "
During this war, the Foreunners aside from a few ever learned about the Flood since Humanity sacrifieced 1/3 of it's population to the Flood to push them out of the Galaxy. So Humanity lost because it had been fighting a two-front war. When the war was finished they were going to annihilate the species but because of the Librarian they simply banished them to Earth under the protection of the Librarian. Thus because of her feelings for Humanity they were deemed Reclaimers, and because mostly like the two Humans, Riser and Chakas who accompied the Didact and Bornstellar in Cryptum.
During Cryptum it was discovered that Humanity had found a cure for the Flood, but then in Primoridum the Timeless one said that it was fake. That the Flood simply didn't infect as to give them false hope. Thus revealing that there is no real cure for the Flood.
Then the Forerunner-Flood war began and we all know how it ended with the activation of the Halo Array's thus wiping all life in the galaxy. That is why the San'Shuuym despite having an alliance with Humanity in ancient times don't remember it.
Hope that helps! These are the links that I used to get information from, but granted knew most of it off the top of my head. But here you go.
http://www.halopedia...-Forerunner_War
http://www.halopedia...Human-Flood_war
http://www.halopedia...r-Precursor_war
http://www.halopedia...unner-Flood_war
Modifié par Kortenx12, 03 août 2012 - 09:31 .
#3698
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:33
#3699
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:34
AxStapleton wrote...
Seriously off-topic right there.
I know. XD But I didn't want to leave them without knowing the whole explination.
#3700
Posté 03 août 2012 - 09:35
Maybe we should move to TJ's WNT thread at least for some time. There seems to be not much to speculate on right now.AxStapleton wrote...
Seriously off-topic right there.




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