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[spotlessvoid]

zigamortis wrote...

Any news for Indoctrination? Or is the outlook grim?

Still the same as 7 months ago. IT is the only thing that makes sense. Developers wont comment on IT DLC. Although many think that's unnecessary.

[ajk_Jack]

demersel wrote...

I thought about all that chair/avatar thing and have come up with some ideas. Would like to share them if anyone cares to listen.

I'd actually like to see what you've got. I'm intrigued, whether it's a big reveal or not.

[Restrider]

Whole Particle wrote...

Has it been discussed about what TIM might be up to? I mean since the one we see on the Citadel is a hallucination, the real TIM is still out there somewhere.

Do you think he's really on the Citadel? Or what might his actual role be if IT becomes confirmed?

Maybe he really was up to something and Cerberus provides us with crucial tech to defeat the Reapers, if the Crucible turns out to be a trap.

Modifié par Restrider, 20 octobre 2012 - 03:37 .

[Restrider]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the seventh poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the eigth poll and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!

If you ask yourself why I changed my avatar, I have to say that this thread lacked a certain classiness, although there are people here with nice avatars aswell (Home Run, Badger, TSA, Otter and even Xil to name a few). Since there was no Illusive Man in this thread I thought that I may fill that role.

[ajk_Jack]

Restrider wrote...




Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the seventh poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the eigth poll and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!

If you ask yourself why I changed my avatar, I have to say that this thread lacked a certain classiness, although there are people here with nice avatars aswell (Home Run, Badger, TSA, Otter and even Xil to name a few). Since there was no Illusive Man in this thread I thought that I may fill that role.

Your avatar has the side effect of making me take your posts more seriously, and read them in TIM's voice. 

[Whole Particle]

Restrider wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Has it been discussed about what TIM might be up to? I mean since the one we see on the Citadel is a hallucination, the real TIM is still out there somewhere.

Do you think he's really on the Citadel? Or what might his actual role be if IT becomes confirmed?

Maybe he really was up to something and Cerberus provides us with crucial tech to defeat the Reapers, if the Crucible turns out to be a trap.

Would be interesting to see, maybe there'd still be a way for him to help us out rather than just end up being fully indoctrinated. Although I wonder how that would fit into his entire ME3 "Control" agenda.

[Davik Kang]

 Hello guys.  Noticed something that might support the idea that beam blast onwards is a dream.  You may have covered this before so I wanted to ask you about it.

Lots of blasts in Shepard's direction appear to be cut short, including the last one.  Might indicate as some of you believe that Harbinger does not want to stop Shepard getting to the beam.

The beam, whatever it is, looks just like Reaper objects from earlier in the story, which are always sources of indoctrination (you already knew this, but it's related to what I'm saying).

Look at the beginning of the Citadel scene, when Anderson "wakes Shepard up".  Watch here from around 6:40.  Look at the background.  The strcuture at the back, where Shepard emerges from.  It looks like the beam structure right?

Imagine if this scene is in Shepard's mind, and is a post apocalyptic vision.  It's red, just like the beacon visions from Eden Prime etc.  It looks like the beam run, but after the battle is over, with bodies scattered everywhere in the same way, and silence.  It looks like he wakes up in this post-apocalyptic vision and now walks away from the beam.

Another thing.  Even if you guys don't care about the rest of this, please someone help me with this.  What does Harbinger say before he shoots at Shepard?  Watch here, he says it at 3:21.  What does he say?

Modifié par Davik Kang, 20 octobre 2012 - 03:54 .

[ajk_Jack]

Davik Kang wrote...

Another thing.  Even if you guys don't care about the rest of this, please someone help me with this.  What does Harbinger say before he shoots at Shepard?  Watch here, he says it at 3:21.  What does he say?

We decided earlier that what Harbinger 'says' is actually general Reaper sounds. The Reaper on Rannoch makes the same noise (I can get you a link if you want). There was speculation that he says 'serve us' or 'save us', but again, its more than likely Reaper-speak.

Also, you're right, the structures in the back DO look like the Citadel and its beam. Very interesting.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:00 .

[Gwyphon]

As above, it was confirmed by some one in Bioware (can't remember who) that it was supposed to be reaper noises/language not understandable by Shepard or the player.

Edit: Kind of putting words in their mouth. I think what they said was that it was just "reaper noise", which I assumed is reaper language depicted in the Evolution comics.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 20 octobre 2012 - 03:59 .

[Whole Particle]

Weren't the same noises heard in the dream sequences?

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Hey, i'm not giving you some truth and providing proof for it. I just pointed out, what I just saw, and somehow it makes sense to me - all im' trying to do is imagine what it could mean.

All i wanted is discuss what possibilites it could open. 


For now i've come up with reapers playing space chess for fun.

But of course since this is internet you are welcome to be rude, dissmissive and condesending to me, simply because I wanted to have a "what if discussion with you here.

I wasn't being rude. I was simply describing it. I didn't completely understand it so I thought you'd take over.

[ajk_Jack]

Whole Particle wrote...

Weren't the same noises heard in the dream sequences?

Not entirely sure. There are what seem to be Reaper sounds in the dreams, but not one exactly like that. Again, I'm not postiive on this.

[demersel]

 We always assume that things about reapers. 

And really even after three games+ all the DLCs we know very little of them. 
And things that we do know are mostly the things that reapers want us to know about them. 

There are facts about reaprs and there are assumptions about them. 

Facts are the things that we have seen or uncovered about them. 

Like what they look like. (that was a big thing in first mass effect. 

In mass effect 2 we uncovered that each reaper is actually made out of a whole spiecies, harvested and processed.

Reapers themselves claim that they contain the essence of that spiecies. And legion can back those claims up. 

Another thing that we did know about the reapers, but chose to forget in ME3 is that they are in fact alive. 
They are not some automatones or drones working for some master. They are not computers. They are in fact alive. And being alive comes with a few perks, like having identities (which we know they do have), thoughts, desires, and emotions. 

We also know for a fact, on the example of harbinger and leviathans, that reapers do in fact retain the traits of their source spiecies.

We know all that, and yet we always assume that reapers are active only during the harvest. And in the mean time they sort of hibernate in darkspace.

That one is just an assumption. And what if they don't? what do they actually do all that time?

We know that reapers can have roles and jobs.
We know that reapers can have individual minions, like harbinger does.
And we know that levithans really have a need to have minions and thralls - they may not actually have use for them it is just their nature to have tralls. Having thralls for them is like having hands for us.
And we also know about leviathnas that they like things bending to their will. They enjoy it. 
Reapers have emotions. We know for a fact that they can get annoyed. If you can have one emotion - you can have all of them. Love, hate, envy, fear etc. 

So imagine - millions of reapers. Each one alive. Each one has its one personality. (and that personality has all the traits of the race that this reaper used to be). 
And yet all of them have a mindset of leviathnas - the galaxy is their playground. Literally.
So what do they do in their spare time? I bet they do they same things leviathas used to do - they bend the galaxy to their will, play with it. and meddle with lower races. One difference - is that every other time they reset the board.
They actually play with evolution.
what if they actually play it? Like a game? imagine! Each cycle is party in a game of Risk, or Civilization. 
Each reapers pick himself a spiecies to play with. The one who's pet race does the best at the end of cycle wins, and that race gets to join the elite club of the reapers. They call the cycle a harvest. And yet we know that it is the way they breed. What prevents this process from being a selective breeding?
They pick the best to become a reaper so reapers get improved in general.
But how do they actually do it? Can they compete with each other?
I think each race has a reaper that gudes it. Some are better at it some are worse.

Having said all that - i think that The Illusive Man we know is not really Jack Harper.  It is actually some reaper that got fond of the prospect of petting humans, and is very competative by character. And he really wants to undermine harbinger. (Harbinger being a DM and a player at the same time does have an unfair advantage - and appears to be undisputed longtime winner of cycles. His last pet project were the protheans and he got to keep some of them as his personal toys). 






 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Whole Particle wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...

Has it been discussed about what TIM might be up to? I mean since the one we see on the Citadel is a hallucination, the real TIM is still out there somewhere.

Do you think he's really on the Citadel? Or what might his actual role be if IT becomes confirmed?

Maybe he really was up to something and Cerberus provides us with crucial tech to defeat the Reapers, if the Crucible turns out to be a trap.

Would be interesting to see, maybe there'd still be a way for him to help us out rather than just end up being fully indoctrinated. Although I wonder how that would fit into his entire ME3 "Control" agenda.

Possibly he reconfigures the Crucible to try and control the Reapers, but it fails. The emitted signal, pulse or wave or whatever still interferes with some of the Reapers systems evening the odds a bit?

Just an idea.

[ajk_Jack]

demersel wrote...
Having said all that - i think that The Illusive Man we know is not really Jack Harper.  It is actually some reaper that got fond of the prospect of petting humans, and is very competative by character. And he really wants to undermine harbinger. (Harbinger being a DM and a player at the same time does have an unfair advantage - and appears to be undisputed longtime winner of cycles. His last pet project were the protheans and he got to keep some of them as his personal toys). 

I like this. It's a little out there, but its awesome. 

[demersel]

What if the protoreaper in the cronos station is NOT the same as the one that we blew up on the collector base? (only parts of it are? like the brain and heart?) What if that thing is actually TIM!
If we say that cerberus = collectors, while collectors work for Harbinger, Cerberus works for TIM! Who says they were not doing the same thing the collectors were??? Once they found out what the collectors were doing they tried to stop them, so they won't harvest all the humans first. But the collectors have this process much more streamlined so they work quicker! TIM actually wanted to wipe out all the collectors but keep their work! TIM is a reaper! (possibly some destroyed one, maybe even the darelict one, that wants to build a new body for himself!!!)

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

 Hello guys.  Noticed something that might support the idea that beam blast onwards is a dream.  You may have covered this before so I wanted to ask you about it.

Lots of blasts in Shepard's direction appear to be cut short, including the last one.  Might indicate as some of you believe that Harbinger does not want to stop Shepard getting to the beam.

The beam, whatever it is, looks just like Reaper objects from earlier in the story, which are always sources of indoctrination (you already knew this, but it's related to what I'm saying).

Look at the beginning of the Citadel scene, when Anderson "wakes Shepard up".  Watch here from around 6:40.  Look at the background.  The strcuture at the back, where Shepard emerges from.  It looks like the beam structure right?

Imagine if this scene is in Shepard's mind, and is a post apocalyptic vision.  It's red, just like the beacon visions from Eden Prime etc.  It looks like the beam run, but after the battle is over, with bodies scattered everywhere in the same way, and silence.  It looks like he wakes up in this post-apocalyptic vision and now walks away from the beam.

Another thing.  Even if you guys don't care about the rest of this, please someone help me with this.  What does Harbinger say before he shoots at Shepard?  Watch here, he says it at 3:21.  What does he say?

Literalists say " Save us. " We say " Serve us." That's Harbinger's outside voice using Reaper speakers that are built to normally accomodate Reaper speech. The voice we hear in ME2 etc. is when he's speaking to someone's mind.

As for the rest, I like and support.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:18 .

[demersel]

If i remember correctly - Jack Harper got exposed to a chunk of some dead reaper or something...need to look that comic up again to remember what it actually was...

[demersel]

But in mass effect 3 harbinger actually takes over that rogue reaper TIM using Shepard.

[Gwyphon]

Demersel's idea isn't THAT out of the box. Controlling TIM (single target) to gain control of cerberus (large population) is equivalent to controlling the collector general to control the collectors. It's picking smart targets really.
The difference between Jack Harper and TIM personality-wise is still eyebrow raising. The death of Eva may have changed him in the long run. Here's hoping for Omega to be TIM or Harbinger heavy. They're great and potentially very complex villains. Cerberus operations and motivations during ME3 really needs elaboration considering we seem to spend more time fighting them than the reapers.

demersel wrote...

If i remember correctly - Jack Harper got exposed to a chunk of some dead reaper or something...need to look that comic up again to remember what it actually was...

He indirectly links to an indoctrination device that both indoctrinates and huskifies anyone who directly touches it, gaining his crazy eyes and the ability to speak all languages (including Reaper, or some sort of language husks speak. It's not very clear). Funnily enough, the Saren does the exact same thing to the exact same object in the exact same manner... 

Modifié par Gwyphon, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:23 .

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

If i remember correctly - Jack Harper got exposed to a chunk of some dead reaper or something...need to look that comic up again to remember what it actually was...

it was an artifact called the Arca Monolith.. It was not a dead reaper, but it was reaper tech.

[paxxton]

Whoa! It's a weekend and the thread is in FTL. What happened?

[Skillz1986]

@paxx
OP bloodlust is a joke. So a lot of people spend their mp free time here

[ajk_Jack]

Gwyphon wrote...
Here's hoping for Omega to be TIM or Harbinger heavy. They're great and potentially very complex villains. Cerberus operations and motivations during ME3 really needs elaboration considering we seem to spend more time fighting them than the reapers.

Agreed, Cerberus's motives have always been vague. This has gotten me excited for Omega again, collectors or not.

[paxxton]

Skillz1986 wrote...

@paxx
OP bloodlust is a joke. So a lot of people spend their mp free time here