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[demersel]

Imagine - reapers are elitist by nature. Harbinger is club presidet. He decides who gets to join the club next. TIM would be someone that is cross with the club president and wants to take over. What if the darelict reaper is TIM? And the thing that killed him is Harbinger + other Reapers? What if they executed him for something, but his spirit lingered on? What if he searched ofr a race sutible to be reborne, first considered turians, but then got really fond of humans and this is what he really wants? To get reborn via humans, to absorb their essence to become stronger?

[Whole Particle]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Possibly he reconfigures the Crucible to try and control the Reapers, but it fails. The emitted signal, pulse or wave or whatever still interferes with some of the Reapers systems evening the odds a bit?

Just an idea.

As in using the Crucible to indoctrinate Reapers?

Although would he have any idea on how to rewire that by himself? Or perhaps he brought along a team of Cerberus scientists, engineers, etc. to help him with that?

Also makes me wonder if any of the Alliance / Citadel scientists even know what the Crucible's original function is supposed to be, how it's suppose to stop the Reapers, etc.

[Gwyphon]

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! It's a weekend and the thread is in FTL. What happened?

The thread senses my work load, and increases posts I need to read proportionally. It's like it's alive and knows we're in it...

[Andromidius]

Gwyphon wrote...

As above, it was confirmed by some one in Bioware (can't remember who) that it was supposed to be reaper noises/language not understandable by Shepard or the player.

Edit: Kind of putting words in their mouth. I think what they said was that it was just "reaper noise", which I assumed is reaper language depicted in the Evolution comics.

Of course its entirely possible it is Reaper language, but Shepard can understand it subliminally.  Kind of makes sense that they are shouting demoralising messages at people as they are stomping around cities trying to funnel them into traps.

And its very weird that everything else quietens down and the camera focuses in on Harbinger as it 'speaks'.  It may have been an accident when they made the sound files, but the usage of those sounds is very deliberate.

[Gwyphon]

Whole Particle wrote...
Also makes me wonder if any of the Alliance / Citadel scientists even know what the Crucible's original function is supposed to be, how it's suppose to stop the Reapers, etc.

Don't think they do. Think they're just connecting black boxes and hoping for the best.

Edit: no idea how I double posted... Swear I edited my previous post<_<

Andromidius wrote...

Of course its entirely possible it is Reaper language, but Shepard can understand it subliminally.  Kind of makes sense that they are shouting demoralising messages at people as they are stomping around cities trying to funnel them into traps.

And its very weird that everything else quietens down and the camera focuses in on Harbinger as it 'speaks'.  It may have been an accident when they made the sound files, but the usage of those sounds is very deliberate.

Personally I think they have the ability to speak english if they choose, and those reaper horns are their language. No way of really knowing with the imformation given though. I should stop posting now... Any excuse not to sleep.

Modifié par Gwyphon, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:31 .

[desert_beagle]

I haven't been here in a long time. I just watched a vid where apparently it is confirmed by BioWare that there will be NO Shepard in ME4.  How do you feel this affects the IT?

Here is the link www.youtube.com/watch and it starts at 2:49

Modifié par desert_beagle, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:33 .

[ajk_Jack]

Gwyphon wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...
Also makes me wonder if any of the Alliance / Citadel scientists even know what the Crucible's original function is supposed to be, how it's suppose to stop the Reapers, etc.

Don't think they do. Think they're just connecting black boxes and hoping for the best.

Even so, I always thought it odd that, while building the Crucible, no one had the slightest idea what it did.

Modifié par ajk_Jack, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:32 .

[demersel]

Actually the fact that TIM named some random assasin/infiltrator the same as Jack Harpers long lost tragic love - speaks against him being the same man. It is just something that has his memories.

[paxxton]

Gwyphon wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Whoa! It's a weekend and the thread is in FTL. What happened?

The thread senses my work load, and increases posts I need to read proportionally. It's like it's alive and knows we're in it...

Or knows we're not.

Modifié par paxxton, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:33 .

[Andromidius]

desert_beagle wrote...

I haven't been here in a long time. I just watched a vid where apparently it is confirmed by BioWare that there will be NO Shepard in ME4. They keep making the claim that the ME universe is so vast and that they can do anything with it.

Here is the link www.youtube.com/watch and it starts at 2:49

Indeed.  And that vast universe is locked up tight unless they pick an ending to be canon.  They can't pull a Dues Ex: Human Revolution and make the ending isolated enough to not impact the timeline.

And thus, we find out if ME4 is filled with Space Magic and unicorns or if Shepard was tripping balls and the Reapers are still crushing face.

[Davik Kang]

There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.

There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?

After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.

And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?

Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?

Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...

[Whole Particle]

ajk_Jack wrote...

Gwyphon wrote...

Whole Particle wrote...
Also makes me wonder if any of the Alliance / Citadel scientists even know what the Crucible's original function is supposed to be, how it's suppose to stop the Reapers, etc.

Don't think they do. Think they're just connecting black boxes and hoping for the best.

Even so, I always thought it odd that, while building the Crucible, no one had the slightest idea what it did.

Me too. I mean this is supposedly the largest project undertaking in history and no one has any idea what it's supposed to do or how it functions? I get that they're desperate, but once the Crucible arrives at the Citadel, how are they even supposed to know if it's working correctly or not, or if they messed up somewhere?

Modifié par Whole Particle, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:39 .

[Andromidius]

Not to mention being insistant on staying behind to organise a resistance, and somehow staying alive for weeks or months before gathering up all the resistance cells on the planet to one location.

Not saying he is, but Anderson certainly does act strangely. Everyone does in ME3, honestly.

Bar Grunt. But then he just likes killing things.

[demersel]

Guys - how do you feel about TIM being actually the conciousness of a derelict reaper?
Or just a conciousness of a reaper? Jack Harper got indoctrinated, formed cerberus, which started to build the human reaper we found at cronos. We actually met the real TIM in ME3. Just didn't know it - the human reaper in the Cronos is the real TIM. It is not the same human reaper that the collectors were building. It is another, the original one that cerberus was building very slowly.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Whole Particle wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Possibly he reconfigures the Crucible to try and control the Reapers, but it fails. The emitted signal, pulse or wave or whatever still interferes with some of the Reapers systems evening the odds a bit?

Just an idea.

As in using the Crucible to indoctrinate Reapers?

Although would he have any idea on how to rewire that by himself? Or perhaps he brought along a team of Cerberus scientists, engineers, etc. to help him with that?

Also makes me wonder if any of the Alliance / Citadel scientists even know what the Crucible's original function is supposed to be, how it's suppose to stop the Reapers, etc.

We dont know exactly what the Crucible does, that is a thing pointed out a few times throughout ME3. We only know that it needs a "Catalyst" and that it can produce ludicrous amounts of energy.

And Cerberus did find a way onboard the Citadel with a sizeable force during the coup.

[ajk_Jack]

Davik Kang wrote...

There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.

There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?

After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.

And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?

Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?

Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...

Wow. Mental overload. 80% I've never seen or considered before. Great job!

[BatmanTurian]

Davik Kang wrote...

There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.

There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?

After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.

And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?

Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?

Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...

Whoooa there. That's a lot of speculation. Interesting but wow. I guess this is " think outside the box" day. I mean I know we normally do that, but this is more than usual
I'm not making fun of you, I'm just not sure how to process the speculations when they come rapid fire lol.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[demersel]

Davik Kang wrote...

There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.

There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?

After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.

And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?

Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?

Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...

In priority Earth Anderson is deffinitly indoctrinaded and plans to give shepard to the reapers. Him and Coats. They sabotage the entire operation right form the start. As for him being indoctrinated in the prologue - hard to tell.

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...

Not to mention being insistant on staying behind to organise a resistance, and somehow staying alive for weeks or months before gathering up all the resistance cells on the planet to one location.

Not saying he is, but Anderson certainly does act strangely. Everyone does in ME3, honestly.

Bar Grunt. But then he just likes killing things.

Ah yeah he's on Earth all the time.  Very close proximity to lots of Reapers.  Who indoctrinate without thinking, just by proximity, even if they're dead (ME2).

There's also something about the Reapers preferring to gather populations and world leaders into one place (supersctructure buildings was it?) to facilitate indoctrination.  Where is Anderson on Earth?

And then Coats.  Even in the trialer he's in, we see him taking shots at human-like figures.  And apparently he "shoots at anything that moves".  Not to mention the bizarre stuff with Coats at the end.

Maybe I'm reading into it too much, but it just seems like there's too much there to just ignore.  They wanted us to look at it and try to decipher it.  That's the only thing I'm sure of.  Maybe BW have finally indoctrinated me.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[Whole Particle]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

And Cerberus did find a way onboard the Citadel with a sizeable force during the coup.

True. However I thought we supposedly destroyed all of Cerberus' forces at Cronus? And the Cruicble was pretty well protected IMO by the Alliance / Citadel forces during the Battle of Earth.

Perhaps he took a small strike team and infiltrated it as opposed to assaulting it directly.

[demersel]

Davik, i wrote about Anderson setting Shepard up, and sabotaging Hammer like two days ago, when i rewatched priority earth.

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.

There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?

After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.

And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?

Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?

Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...

In priority Earth Anderson is deffinitly indoctrinaded and plans to give shepard to the reapers. Him and Coats. They sabotage the entire operation right form the start. As for him being indoctrinated in the prologue - hard to tell.

I don't think we can say definitely with so little to go on here. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[ajk_Jack]

Andromidius wrote...


Not saying he is, but Anderson certainly does act strangely. Everyone does in ME3, honestly.

Come to think of it, you're right, the majority of ME3's characters don't act right in certain situations, up to and including Harbinger, who doesn't say a word the entire game.

[desert_beagle]

Andromidius wrote...

desert_beagle wrote...

I haven't been here in a long time. I just watched a vid where apparently it is confirmed by BioWare that there will be NO Shepard in ME4. They keep making the claim that the ME universe is so vast and that they can do anything with it.

Here is the link www.youtube.com/watch and it starts at 2:49

Indeed.  And that vast universe is locked up tight unless they pick an ending to be canon.  They can't pull a Dues Ex: Human Revolution and make the ending isolated enough to not impact the timeline.

And thus, we find out if ME4 is filled with Space Magic and unicorns or if Shepard was tripping balls and the Reapers are still crushing face.

My point exactly.  In both Control and Synthesis, if taken literally, I see absolutely no pathway for conflict to emerge post a ME3 ending galaxy.  The only ending, and even the Catalyst says this, where conflict can still emerge is through the Destroy option.

Control-If we have a problem we'll just call in Commander Sh-Reaperd.  S/He'll take care of it.
Synthesis- No problems here man just pass the Valvoline and keep singing Kumbaya

Would anyone be interested in a ME game taking place before the Reaper War?  I'm not since there really isn't much going on before any of this stuff happens since humans have only been part of the galaxy as a whole for about 50 years in the "vast Mass Effect universe"

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Dragon on top of the thread

Whole Particle wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

And Cerberus did find a way onboard the Citadel with a sizeable force during the coup.

True. However I thought we supposedly destroyed all of Cerberus' forces at Cronus? And the Cruicble was pretty well protected IMO by the Alliance / Citadel forces during the Battle of Earth.

Perhaps he took a small strike team and infiltrated it as opposed to assaulting it directly.

We destroyed Cerberus HQ but no doubt small groups still exist. Omega is one certain place until we probably tear it down in the upcoming dlc.

But TIM would not necesarily have to infiltrate the Crucible. We are taking it to the Citadel where it is supposed to connect with it. If TIM simply waited upon the Citadel he should be able to acess the Crucible when it docks and altering it from there.

Off course this is all speculation as we dont know where TIM is or what he is doing (under IT) but if IT is true there can be little doubt he will play a role.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 20 octobre 2012 - 04:49 .