Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
#37126
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:06
#37127
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:07
#37128
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:09
#37129
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:10
Consider me impressed. This has been a productive day so far!demersel wrote...
You've been working for the reapers entire Mass Effect 3 - uniting the galaxy, and bringing it all to earth .
#37130
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:11
#37131
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:12
Miranda saw him face to face.demersel wrote...
Illusive Man is a reaper. Think about it! He only communicates through QEC. With everyone. (and before you point out the vids on the cronos station - those are vids - they could have been fabricated. You could have imagined seeing them, being so close to a reaper, which we know there is at cronos station)
#37132
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:13
Exactly what I said about 5 months ago. Inverse War Assets' Impact Theory.demersel wrote...
You've been working for the reapers entire Mass Effect 3 - uniting the galaxy, and bringing it all to earth .
Modifié par paxxton, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:16 .
#37133
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:14
plfranke wrote...
Miranda saw him face to face.demersel wrote...
Illusive Man is a reaper. Think about it! He only communicates through QEC. With everyone. (and before you point out the vids on the cronos station - those are vids - they could have been fabricated. You could have imagined seeing them, being so close to a reaper, which we know there is at cronos station)
Either of them could have been a hologram. Or both of them. She didn't know where his base is.
Besides, Miranda herself is artificial. She is a clone. A perfect human. Just as grunt is a perfect krogan. For all we know, everysingle phantom or nemesis has miranda's face. (ecept the one that jack could become)
Modifié par demersel, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .
#37134
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:15
#37135
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:15
demersel wrote...
everytime you speak through the QEC you're actually speaking with a reaper. Each person speaking on the QEC
is speaking with a reaper. And while you do - they indoctrinate you. You didn't speak to Hackett or Anderson on the Normandy. Yuo wer speaking to the reaper. Only time you saw the real Hackett is when he boarded the Normandy. Only time you saw the real Anderson is in Vancouver and London. Before you ask how did Anderson and Hacket know about the contents of your conversation, then - it's because they were also speaking to the same reaper over the QEC that was impersonating you, The reaper actet as a telephone hub! All the calls go through him!! And he can choose what each of the participants gets out of the conversation. Hell, they can probably do that at real time, having both conversations at once. ))
demersel wrote...
Illusive Man is a reaper. Think about it! He only communicates through QEC. With everyone. (and before you point out the vids on the cronos station - those are vids - they could have been fabricated. You could have imagined seeing them, being so close to a reaper, which we know there is at cronos station)

Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick...
Would you stop?
Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:21 .
#37136
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:16
magnetite wrote...
Bioware isn't the first to do this sort of thing. There are other writers from movies or books who left out certain details to their stories and people just assumed things. A guy by the name of Alfred hitchcock has been known to do this. It's known as engaging the audience. Some feel the audience is more involved and invested in the story if they participate a bit rather than just being told every single detail.
The only thing introduced into the narrative after the free demo is the crucible.
And we still have no idea what it does in IT.
Also, comparing a book or movie to a series over a hundred hours long and half a decade in the making is ridiculous to me.
We are also not watching what happens to a protagonist. We guiding a protagonist who we feel a sense of ownership over. It's a lot more personal.
#37137
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:16
paxxton wrote...
Exactly what I said about 5 months ago. Inverse War Assets Impact Theory.demersel wrote...
You've been working for the reapers entire Mass Effect 3 - uniting the galaxy, and bringing it all to earth .
I remember. I'm jusr reapeating it. This thread is going in circles, and some ideas only start to make sense for some.
#37138
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:16
Davik Kang wrote...
Oh. My. God. And there is a datapad where someone says, everyone who goes in there something something, right, and it gets more muddled, until the calm but at the end, where they say,
"won't go in there. Know what to do"
or something...
holy moly...
I might have to play P:E again... even though I never normally do that...
It's not a war any more. It's an investigation, a puzzle, a mystery
Davik Kang - step forward.
It is the decision of the thread's board that you be granted all the powers and privileges of the Indoctrination Theorists branch of the BSN.
ITers are not trained, but chosen individuals forged in the fire of service and analysis; those whose actions elevate them above average and naifs.
ITers are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of resilience, determination and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the BSN, instruments of BioWare's will.
ITers bare a great burden. They are protectors of galactic lore, both BioWare's first and last line of defense. The consistency of the lore is theirs to uphold.
Edit: Just for you Home Run (link), note Tevos' nod.
Modifié par Restrider, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .
#37139
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:21
No kidding. Demersel doesn't have facts. I wish you guys would stop encouraging his "Conspiracy Keanu"-worthy crap.Davik Kang wrote...
We're still speculating. Petulant digs at everyone and presumtions of correctness aren't going to win you any allies here.demersel wrote...
It is nice that you guys started to catch up finally.
#37140
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:24
Thank you sir. I'll be your weapon of war. Just point me in the right direction.Restrider wrote...
Davik Kang - step forward.
It is the decision of the thread's board that you be granted all the powers and privileges of the Indoctrination Theorists branch of the BSN.
ITers are not trained, but chosen individuals forged in the fire of service and analysis; those whose actions elevate them above average and naifs.
ITers are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of resilience, determination and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the BSN, instruments of BioWare's will.
ITers bare a great burden. They are protectors of galactic lore, both BioWare's first and last line of defense. The consistency of the lore is theirs to uphold.
Edit: Just for you Home Run (link), note Tevos' nod.
#37141
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:26
Bill Casey wrote...
Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick...
Would you stop?
Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)
#37142
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:28
Cyberfrog81 wrote...
No kidding. Demersel doesn't have facts. I wish you guys would stop encouraging his "Conspiracy Keanu"-worthy crap.
And here with personal insults.
#37143
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:28
I will reserve my judgement though.
#37144
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:37
demersel wrote...
Bill Casey wrote...
Jumping Jesus Christ on a pogo stick...
Would you stop?
Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)
Well, I'm guessing that the QEC on the Normandy can be explained by the refits. They probably connected it to several QECs on Earth, Hackett's location, etc. However, the QEC on Earth... That I don't know about. Of course, I support WNT, so that could explain it.
#37145
Guest_SwobyJ_*
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:38
Guest_SwobyJ_*
demersel wrote...
Imagine - reapers are elitist by nature. Harbinger is club presidet. He decides who gets to join the club next. TIM would be someone that is cross with the club president and wants to take over. What if the darelict reaper is TIM? And the thing that killed him is Harbinger + other Reapers? What if they executed him for something, but his spirit lingered on? What if he searched ofr a race sutible to be reborne, first considered turians, but then got really fond of humans and this is what he really wants? To get reborn via humans, to absorb their essence to become stronger?
...no. I'm 100% convinced TIM is Jack Harper.
But that doesn't mean the Reapers aren't messing with the galaxy on several fronts, as with the Leviathans.
I don't envision it as some big D&D game however. They're too arrogant even for that.
Instead, I do see it more as the galaxy is a huge petri dish, and the symbolism in the series itself tends to that interpretation more, imo.
They test all the spacefaring species of each cycle. Their artifacts are spread out, and Sovereign is left in the galaxy so they can keep an eye on things and direct things 'personally' if a cycle gets out of hand.
TIM is just one of their chess pieces. However, we don't know how AWARE he became of that. Omega DLC may illustrate how willing or aware of a pawn he is, and whether he has some true ace up his sleeve, that he never actually revealed in the main plot.
But again, I'm sure its him, just under increasing influence by Reaper ideology through indoctrination.
#37146
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:40
You will reserve judgement on "TIM is a Reaper!!!"?Restrider wrote...
Let demersel brainstorm a bit. There is no harm in that. It could provide us with a new perspective.
I will reserve my judgement though.
Really?
I want to take IT seriously, but you guys aren't making it easy today.
#37147
Guest_SwobyJ_*
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:40
Guest_SwobyJ_*
desert_beagle wrote...
I haven't been here in a long time. I just watched a vid where apparently it is confirmed by BioWare that there will be NO Shepard in ME4. How do you feel this affects the IT?
Here is the link www.youtube.com/watch and it starts at 2:49
"“There is one thing we are absolutely sure of – there will be no more Shepard, and the trilogy is over” - no duh"
Now the Mass Effect universe is vast, and very, very rich. So at this
point in time, we don’t even know what kind of time frame we’re going to
be in." - Of course, if certain theories are right
"Allwe’re doing is more gathering ideas from the teams, gathering feedback
to see several things”" - AKA WE'RE DATAMINING PLAYERS SINCE ME3 CAME
OUT
[/list]Nothing is new here except for a confirmation that we're not playing as Shepard, at least not Shepard as we know him. He may still be in the series in some form that isn't exactly 'Shepard', but that isn't confirmed at all.So really, nothing is new.
#37148
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:40
And the whole "You're in my chair" thing...
#37149
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:43
I don't agree with everything demersel's bringing up, but this one's good, imo.Bill Casey wrote...
He did bring up a good point about the silhouette of the Illusive Man sitting in his chair resembling a reaper...
And the whole "You're in my chair" thing...
#37150
Guest_SwobyJ_*
Posté 20 octobre 2012 - 06:43
Guest_SwobyJ_*
demersel wrote...
Actually the fact that TIM named some random assasin/infiltrator the same as Jack Harpers long lost tragic love - speaks against him being the same man. It is just something that has his memories.
What? I don't get this at all.
It's not a random assassin/whatever.
It's his sentimentality seeping into everything he does, even against his otherwise conscious wishes.
He wants to end the Reapers (to a point, for a while), but takes in 'useful' Reaper tech.
He wants autonamy of his organization and agents, yet he's a control freak affected by his previous experiences.
He is cold and calculating, yet is full of vices.
It's really no surprise he'd name a special infiltration unit after his lost love. Everything he does seems to fulfil some larger symbolic stance he has. "Cerberus is an idea"




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