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[Restrider]

demersel wrote...


Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.

The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

[Home run MF]

Restrider wrote...

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Edit: Just for you Home Run (link), note Tevos' nod.

Awww    Thank you.

[BatmanTurian]

I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.

[demersel]

It acually makes sense in that light - Mass Effect 3 has only one ending and that ending is reapers win. That actually was the greatest conecrn with the initial outcry. Remember, before the EC, when there were only the original enings - the main reason for outcry was that none of the endings feel like victory. No matter what we do - we ultimately loose. Now, in the EC it got fixed. Now, no matter what you do or choose - you win. You see? There is really no difference at all.

There is an ending to Mass Effect 3. And ending is - Shepard dies on the beam run. All the combined galaxy's forces and leaders are in one place at earth. Even if the crucible fires for real - the relays are disabled, the galaxy is devided and turnished by the war. Remember the debates how crucible is a trap? And why? Bacause what we see it do - is actually for the benefit of the reapers. We know from the past cycles, that reapers come, and disable the mass relays. But who say they do it right away? What if they give time to gather the fleet, build the crucible - storm the citadel, which they take right from the start? And then whe you fire the crucible - voi-la! The great feet of the galaxy is cut off, and trapped, without the option to retreat. The REST of the galaxy is DEFENCELESS. And Each system isolated - perfect conditions for slow persistent harvest. Which is the way reapers do it. We know this from Mass effect 1.

Don't you guys remember all that?? The outrcy to change the ending since everybody on the fleet starve to death?

No let's say crucible doesn't really fire yet, and it is all just a dream. But what if by constructing the dream the reapewrs actually gave out, unintentianally the true function of the crucible - to disable the mass relay network! (it is in all the endings, and it is the only thing that is consistent among them - crucible pulse overloads and disables the mass relays. Shepard certainly could not have come up with that one, nor does he want it to happen.)

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.

Find the evidence and fit a hypothesis to it.  Don't develop a hypothesis and fit the evidence to it.

[Restrider]

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Let demersel brainstorm a bit. There is no harm in that. It could provide us with a new perspective.
I will reserve my judgement though.

You will reserve judgement on "TIM is a Reaper!!!"?
Really?

I want to take IT seriously, but you guys aren't making it easy today.

If you do not keep an open mind about new things, why are you even here to speculate?
It probably is nothing of importance what demersel found, but to dismiss it and stubbornly keep to your interpretation is counterproductive.
I am an advocate for skepticism in both ways. Be skeptic about what you believe is true right now and be skeptic about what other's present you. This equates reserving judgement.
If demersel does not come up with more evidence than what he has right now, I will probably label his assertions as improbable, but - to say it again - I will keep an open mind about it. Maybe you should try that to for a change?
Or you can join one of the lit(t)eralist groups.

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...


Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.
The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

It was going to be Hackett's mobile command ship, until the Reapers crashed the party

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:51 .

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.

The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

Ok. Makes sense. I agree completely. But here's the kicker. You yourself say that for this system to work at all there must be some sort of proxy. What if that proxy is a reaper? We know they use quntum entaglement. They are by nature a huge proxy's of quantum entaglement particles. 

[Dwailing]

Restrider wrote...

Cyberfrog81 wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Let demersel brainstorm a bit. There is no harm in that. It could provide us with a new perspective.
I will reserve my judgement though.

You will reserve judgement on "TIM is a Reaper!!!"?
Really?

I want to take IT seriously, but you guys aren't making it easy today.

If you do not keep an open mind about new things, why are you even here to speculate?
It probably is nothing of importance what demersel found, but to dismiss it and stubbornly keep to your interpretation is counterproductive.
I am an advocate for skepticism in both ways. Be skeptic about what you believe is true right now and be skeptic about what other's present you. This equates reserving judgement.
If demersel does not come up with more evidence than what he has right now, I will probably label his assertions as improbable, but - to say it again - I will keep an open mind about it. Maybe you should try that to for a change?
Or you can join one of the lit(t)eralist groups.

One ITist's (Can't remember which one) signature says something to the effect of, "All ideas have merit until proven otherwise.  Sometimes, that doesn't take long."

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.

Find the evidence and fit a hypothesis to it.  Don't develop a hypothesis and fit the evidence to it.

Anderson: Exactly.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...


Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.
The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

It was going to be Hackett's mobile command ship, until the Reapers crashed the party

I thought it was going to be Anderson's mobile command center.... 

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Restrider wrote...

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.

The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

Ok. Makes sense. I agree completely. But here's the kicker. You yourself say that for this system to work at all there must be some sort of proxy. What if that proxy is a reaper? We know they use quntum entaglement. They are by nature a huge proxy's of quantum entaglement particles. 

Our brains are quantum computers. There are all kinds of QEC machines. You're assuming Reapers can connect to something that has to connect to them first, otherwise they won't know where it is.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:54 .

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.

That is actually called theoretical physics, my friend :happy:. You create a theory and try to find fitting evidence.
Experimental physics is to make experiments and conclude the theory.
Anyway, I support you on this, but sometimes it is needed to think outside the box and speculate. It will give us a new perspective at best and nothing at worst.
Believe me, demersel's assertions are far from making it into the list right now, but I encourage his train of thoughts.

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...


Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.
The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

It was going to be Hackett's mobile command ship, until the Reapers crashed the party

I thought it was going to be Anderson's mobile command center.... 

I'm pretty sure I remember Anderson say it was Hackett's.

[demersel]

Ok. Humor me - suppose TIM is a reaper. He has a direct link to the Normandy.
You give in a ship made by rouge terrorist organization (that allience considers hostile and an enemy) using technologies unkown, and suddenly it becomes the command ship for all the space fleet. Seems legit ))

Modifié par demersel, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:59 .

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.

That is actually called theoretical physics, my friend :happy:. You create a theory and try to find fitting evidence.
Experimental physics is to make experiments and conclude the theory.
Anyway, I support you on this, but sometimes it is needed to think outside the box and speculate. It will give us a new perspective at best and nothing at worst.
Believe me, demersel's assertions are far from making it into the list right now, but I encourage his train of thoughts.

I don't mind encouraging investigation. But at some point we have to go " wait, wait. " and figure out if what we're saying makes sense.

[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

demersel wrote...


Ok. Explain to me this - QEC is point ot point. It means there are two devices and they only can communicate to each other. It is a system that was installed on the normandy by the illusive man, as your direct link to him and him only - and that is why it made sense. Now. In ME3 you can call multiple places from it. Both Hackett and Anderson. Later in FOB they use the QEC device to contact all of your squad. How does that work? (if you're not always speaking to the same entity through it, that is.)

I will direct this personally:
The QEC itself is a system that has a scientific fundament. You have an entagled pair of particles that you seperate. By changing one particle's quantum state, you also instantaneously alter the state of the other particle, regardless of the distance.
So, you are right, it is a point-to-point communication and it cannot be blocked or intercepted (as far as I know).

What I think is that in a QEC you can have more than one particle in it. Let's say we have a direct line between Earth and the Normandy, as well as a direct line between the Normandy and Hackett's flagship and also a direct line to Udina/Citadel. You could still have some kind of proxy communication where one QEC acts like a relay. What do I mean with that?
You have the following line of communication:
Eearth <-> Normandy Normandy <-> Hackett
Yet, the image of - let's say Anderson's - QEC hologram on the Normandy is broadcasted with Shepard's appearence to Hackett and vice versa.
You might ask yourself, why does the Normandy have so many channels in its QEC in ME3 while it only had a direct link to TIM in ME2?
Do you remember the purpose of the Normandy SR-2 as an Alliance ship?
It was build as command ship for Anderson or Hackett (I'm not sure which one it is though). Do you know what is crucial for a command ship? Reliable communication to your troops and other important entities, such as the Council.
The communication on Earth with the squadmates is odd, I have to admit that. But we have to consider that all these people we are calling are in the same system and thus it has not to be QEC. It is never stated that it is QEC at that place and it most likely is not QEC (though this is subjective).

I hope I could provide you with some answers.

It was going to be Hackett's mobile command ship, until the Reapers crashed the party

I thought it was going to be Anderson's mobile command center.... 

I'm pretty sure I remember Anderson say it was Hackett's.

I thought Traynor said that it was originally going to be Anderson's. 

[demersel]

[quote]BatmanTurian wrote...

Ok. Makes sense. I agree completely. But here's the kicker. You yourself say that for this system to work at all there must be some sort of proxy. What if that proxy is a reaper? We know they use quntum entaglement. They are by nature a huge proxy's of quantum entaglement particles. 

[/quote]

Our brains are quantum computers. There are all kinds of QEC machines. You're assuming Reapers can connect to something that has to connect to them first, otherwise they won't know where it is.

[/quote]

But TIM HAS connected to shepard first. He rebuilt him from scratch. And later on Shepard can speak to harbinger directly. our brains are quantum computers. Ok. What if indoctrination actually creates quantum entanglement connection with  a reaper inside your brain? You brain becomes the reciver, and the transmitter. 

[Restrider]

demersel wrote...

It acually makes sense in that light - Mass Effect 3 has only one ending and that ending is reapers win. That actually was the greatest conecrn with the initial outcry. Remember, before the EC, when there were only the original enings - the main reason for outcry was that none of the endings feel like victory. No matter what we do - we ultimately loose. Now, in the EC it got fixed. Now, no matter what you do or choose - you win. You see? There is really no difference at all.

There is an ending to Mass Effect 3. And ending is - Shepard dies on the beam run. All the combined galaxy's forces and leaders are in one place at earth. Even if the crucible fires for real - the relays are disabled, the galaxy is devided and turnished by the war. Remember the debates how crucible is a trap? And why? Bacause what we see it do - is actually for the benefit of the reapers. We know from the past cycles, that reapers come, and disable the mass relays. But who say they do it right away? What if they give time to gather the fleet, build the crucible - storm the citadel, which they take right from the start? And then whe you fire the crucible - voi-la! The great feet of the galaxy is cut off, and trapped, without the option to retreat. The REST of the galaxy is DEFENCELESS. And Each system isolated - perfect conditions for slow persistent harvest. Which is the way reapers do it. We know this from Mass effect 1.

Don't you guys remember all that?? The outrcy to change the ending since everybody on the fleet starve to death?

No let's say crucible doesn't really fire yet, and it is all just a dream. But what if by constructing the dream the reapewrs actually gave out, unintentianally the true function of the crucible - to disable the mass relay network! (it is in all the endings, and it is the only thing that is consistent among them - crucible pulse overloads and disables the mass relays. Shepard certainly could not have come up with that one, nor does he want it to happen.)

I would say that is not the way the Reapers operate and start their harvest - normally. If they did it the same way with the Protheans, we would know through Vigil and/or Vendetta.
On the other hand, since this cycle is special (deactivated Keepers for example), this may be a plan B to deactivate the network, trap a huge chunk of the galactic fleet and let the organics waste a lot of their resources in a device with unknown effects.

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok. Makes sense. I agree completely. But here's the kicker. You yourself say that for this system to work at all there must be some sort of proxy. What if that proxy is a reaper? We know they use quntum entaglement. They are by nature a huge proxy's of quantum entaglement particles. 

Our brains are quantum computers. There are all kinds of QEC machines. You're assuming Reapers can connect to something that has to connect to them first, otherwise they won't know where it is.

But TIM HAS connected to shepard first. He rebuilt him from scratch. And later on Shepard can speak to harbinger directly. our brains are quantum computers. Ok. What if indoctrination actually creates quantum entanglement connection with  a reaper inside your brain? You brain becomes the reciver, and the transmitter. 

That's.... actually an interesting idea.

Modifié par Dwailing, 20 octobre 2012 - 06:59 .

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Ok. Humor me - suppose TIM is a reaper. He has a direct link to the Normandy.
You give in a ship made by rouge terrorist organization using technologies unkown, and suddenly it becomes the command ship for all the space fleet. Seems legit ))

Look... TIM can't be a Reaper. In the comic book where he was infected by nanites from the Arca Monolith, he was still Jack Harper, just twisted by subtle indoctrination and with some new reapertech eyes. He is still mostly organic. What you're saying is some Reaper uploaded itself into TIM when that doesn't seem to be the case. A Reaper wouldn't be as sentimental as TIM.

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

I would say that is not the way the Reapers operate and start their harvest - normally. If they did it the same way with the Protheans, we would know through Vigil and/or Vendetta.
On the other hand, since this cycle is special (deactivated Keepers for example), this may be a plan B to deactivate the network, trap a huge chunk of the galactic fleet and let the organics waste a lot of their resources in a device with unknown effects.

Vigil was a VI on Ilos. Ilos cot cut off with no info about the war. THen a long time after the reapers came for the harvest. 

Vedetta is compromised. And could have been created AFTER the initial attack - we don't know anything about it. 

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok. Makes sense. I agree completely. But here's the kicker. You yourself say that for this system to work at all there must be some sort of proxy. What if that proxy is a reaper? We know they use quntum entaglement. They are by nature a huge proxy's of quantum entaglement particles. 

Our brains are quantum computers. There are all kinds of QEC machines. You're assuming Reapers can connect to something that has to connect to them first, otherwise they won't know where it is.

But TIM HAS connected to shepard first. He rebuilt him from scratch. And later on Shepard can speak to harbinger directly. our brains are quantum computers. Ok. What if indoctrination actually creates quantum entanglement connection with  a reaper inside your brain? You brain becomes the reciver, and the transmitter. 

That's.... actually an interesting idea.

That's actually true and that's what Leviathans use. But the QECs are neutral technology that TIM developed that Shepard stole when Shepard took the SS2 back to the Alliance and the Alliance upgraded their comm tech with it and probably shared it with the other races. I don't believe it's Reapertech, though it may take advantage of the same kind of quantum mechanics.