Dwailing wrote...
I thought Traynor said that it was originally going to be Anderson's.
BatmanTurian wrote...
demersel wrote...
Ok. Humor me - suppose TIM is a reaper. He has a direct link to the Normandy.
You give in a ship made by rouge terrorist organization using technologies unkown, and suddenly it becomes the command ship for all the space fleet. Seems legit ))
Look... TIM can't be a Reaper. In the comic book where he was infected by nanites from the Arca Monolith, he was still Jack Harper, just twisted by subtle indoctrination and with some new reapertech eyes. He is still mostly organic. What you're saying is some Reaper uploaded itself into TIM when that doesn't seem to be the case. A Reaper wouldn't be as sentimental as TIM.
It's still the best of limited options.Davik Kang wrote...
There's more, there's so much more... even Anderson seems odd. At the end... it's his plan to attack the beam. Ok, EDI does say that it's the best plan of many bad plans. But she also says, if there's a spy, we'll definitely fail. The Shep cuts her short and asks about fear.
For not having visited Shepard, and I don't know what you mean by their minds seems to be elsewhere...Davik Kang wrote...
There's something odd about the beginning of ME3 too. What Anderson and Ashley say. Their minds seem to be elsewhere. And Ash is apologetic... for what?
Uhm he does check other people, watch the scene again. It's just that Shep is the first, or just the one he checks as Shep wakes up.Davik Kang wrote...
After the Reaper smashes the Vancouver council building, Anderson is standing up with a gun. He shows no concern for anybody except Shepard. Maybe he feels Shepard is most important and doesn't care about the others, but it seems... weird.
He feels responsible for what happens as he couldn't urge the Alliance council enough to prepare more. He backed up Shepard many times when no one believed in her, I can't see anything odd here. The only odd thing you could say against Anderson is when he is talking to the Cerberus guy in the surveillance feed in LotSB.Davik Kang wrote...
And later, Anderson, talking about the innocent civilians, says "I won't be responsible." Huh? Is that right? Shouldn't he say something like "I won't let that happen"? And when Shepard nearly falls, Anderson catches and Shep says "I owe you one." Then Anderson says "More than one". Odd thing to say no?
That's just jumping now, and getting Shep to the Normandy is where she belongs, it's where she works her wonders. To head to the Citadel to get support is just a logical start.Davik Kang wrote...
Did he broker a deal with the Reapers to give them Shepard? Is it possible that Anderson is indoctrinated? I know this sounds ridiculous but could he be in on the plot to get Shepard to that Reaper?
Mind is going crazy but Anderson already seems to have a plan in place at the beginning. Get Shepard. Go to the Normandy. Head to the Citadel. So much to look at. Damn...
Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:05 .
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spotlessvoid wrote...
The only thing introduced into the narrative after the free demo is the crucible.
And we still have no idea what it does in IT.
Also, comparing a book or movie to a series over a hundred hours long and half a decade in the making is ridiculous to me.
We are also not watching what happens to a protagonist. We guiding a protagonist who we feel a sense of ownership over. It's a lot more personal.
Modifié par magnetite, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:07 .
Dwailing wrote...
I thought Traynor said that it was originally going to be Anderson's.
BatmanTurian wrote...
Dwailing wrote...
I thought Traynor said that it was originally going to be Anderson's.
Ah., whatever. It's an irrelevant detail.
demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
demersel wrote...
Ok. Humor me - suppose TIM is a reaper. He has a direct link to the Normandy.
You give in a ship made by rouge terrorist organization using technologies unkown, and suddenly it becomes the command ship for all the space fleet. Seems legit ))
Look... TIM can't be a Reaper. In the comic book where he was infected by nanites from the Arca Monolith, he was still Jack Harper, just twisted by subtle indoctrination and with some new reapertech eyes. He is still mostly organic. What you're saying is some Reaper uploaded itself into TIM when that doesn't seem to be the case. A Reaper wouldn't be as sentimental as TIM.
TIM does not appear sentimental at all to me in both ME2 and ME3. Jack Harper was a real man. A real man whose personality does not resemble TIM in any way.
Modifié par BatmanTurian, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:07 .
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Davik Kang wrote...
Honestly, whether TIM is actually a Reaper or not, the theme of competing superpowers is pretty interesting here... Shepard is very similar to a Reaper for a whole bunch of reasons. Perhaps there is another game going on here. Shepard isn't so much a threat as a worthy adversary.
Restrider wrote...
demersel wrote...
But TIM HAS connected to shepard first. He rebuilt him from scratch. And later on Shepard can speak to harbinger directly. our brains are quantum computers. Ok. What if indoctrination actually creates quantum entanglement connection with a reaper inside your brain? You brain becomes the reciver, and the transmitter.
Um....
Wasn't that somehow obvious?
Lol. Seems legit.paxxton wrote...
Hackett is TIM's father. Harbinger is Shepard's brother.
Thank you.BatmanTurian wrote...
I understand demersal is brainstorming, but there should be a limit on how far out on a limb we go. This is pretty far out and not supported by evidence. We can only strengthen the theory with evidence backed up by other verifiable facts and quotes. We can't just assume things and then try to fit everything to that assumption. That's not a good method of investigation.
It's a fun enough observation. But hardly leaves us with indisputable facts.ajk_Jack wrote...
I don't agree with everything demersel's bringing up, but this one's good, imo.Bill Casey wrote...
He did bring up a good point about the silhouette of the Illusive Man sitting in his chair resembling a reaper...
And the whole "You're in my chair" thing...
Sounds like you need to be challenged more often.Restrider wrote...
If you do not keep an open mind about new things, why are you even here to speculate?
It
probably is nothing of importance what demersel found, but to dismiss
it and stubbornly keep to your interpretation is counterproductive.
I
am an advocate for skepticism in both ways. Be skeptic about what you
believe is true right now and be skeptic about what other's present you.
This equates reserving judgement.
If demersel does not come up with
more evidence than what he has right now, I will probably label his
assertions as improbable, but - to say it again - I will keep an open
mind about it. Maybe you should try that to for a change?
Or you can join one of the lit(t)eralist groups.
Modifié par Cyberfrog81, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:10 .
SwobyJ wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
Oh. My. God. And there is a datapad where someone says, everyone who goes in there something something, right, and it gets more muddled, until the calm but at the end, where they say,401 Kill wrote...
It makes perfect sense. There is even a datapad in the FOB about how the beam seems to call them in, and those who return are not the same (indoctrinated). And at the end, all of your forces are litterally running towards the beam...
"won't go in there. Know what to do"
or something...
holy moly...
I might have to play P:E again... even though I never normally do that...
It's not a war any more. It's an investigation, a puzzle, a mystery
I think the purpose of ME3 is to:
1)Present it as a war
2)Illustrate how it is actually a harvest, and the Reapers are still 100% confident
3)Gradually illustrate this to attentive players through the investigation/puzzle/mystery
4)Choose whether to truly make this a war (Destroy) or allow the harvest to continue in some form
paxxton wrote...
Hackett is TIM's father. Harbinger is Shepard's brother.
You are right with the bolded statement.demersel wrote...
Restrider wrote...
demersel wrote...
But TIM HAS connected to shepard first. He rebuilt him from scratch. And later on Shepard can speak to harbinger directly. our brains are quantum computers. Ok. What if indoctrination actually creates quantum entanglement connection with a reaper inside your brain? You brain becomes the reciver, and the transmitter.
Um....
Wasn't that somehow obvious?
So how am i wrong, then?
BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.
Modifié par demersel, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:13 .
demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.
He is more human than a reaper.. Exactly my point.
Imagine, what a beautiful concept - a reaper getting to undersatand human nature, and liking being a human! Even wanting to change the reaper template because of it.
Modifié par Dwailing, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:16 .
What I meant is that you should actually try to disprove what demersel said (as I did with the whole QEC topic for instance) pointing out the flaws and weaknesses of his assertions rather than just say it is stupid without further elaboration why that is the case.Cyberfrog81 wrote...
Sounds like you need to be challenged more often.
Rest assured I mostly won't bother. I'm trying to help, in my own odd way, but it may be a lost cause.
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Dwailing wrote...
SwobyJ wrote...
Davik Kang wrote...
Oh. My. God. And there is a datapad where someone says, everyone who goes in there something something, right, and it gets more muddled, until the calm but at the end, where they say,401 Kill wrote...
It makes perfect sense. There is even a datapad in the FOB about how the beam seems to call them in, and those who return are not the same (indoctrinated). And at the end, all of your forces are litterally running towards the beam...
"won't go in there. Know what to do"
or something...
holy moly...
I might have to play P:E again... even though I never normally do that...
It's not a war any more. It's an investigation, a puzzle, a mystery
I think the purpose of ME3 is to:
1)Present it as a war
2)Illustrate how it is actually a harvest, and the Reapers are still 100% confident
3)Gradually illustrate this to attentive players through the investigation/puzzle/mystery
4)Choose whether to truly make this a war (Destroy) or allow the harvest to continue in some form
They want a harvest? I'll give them a golf delta mike foxtrot WAR!
When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first). I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.
He is more human than a reaper.. Exactly my point.
Imagine, what a beautiful concept - a reaper getting to undersatand human nature, and liking being a human! Even wanting to change the reaper template because of it.
Dwailing wrote...
demersel wrote...
BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.
He is more human than a reaper.. Exactly my point.
Imagine, what a beautiful concept - a reaper getting to undersatand human nature, and liking being a human! Even wanting to change the reaper template because of it.
Edit: That SHOULD have linked to 0:09. I hate YouTube some days. What I wanted you to see is at 0:09.
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