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[Dwailing]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.

He is more human than a reaper.. Exactly my point. 
Imagine, what a beautiful concept - a reaper getting to undersatand human nature, and liking being a human! Even wanting to change the reaper template because of it. 

Edit: That SHOULD have linked to 0:09.  I hate YouTube some days.  What I wanted you to see is at 0:09.

Wow.. that was... wow...

I ONLY WANTED TO LINK TO TALI SAYING NO!  I'M SO SORRY IF I SCARRED ANYONE FOR LIFE! 

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 
The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 
There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

[Dwailing]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 
The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 
There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

Miranda met with TIM in the beginning of ME2.  I hate to say this to a fellow ITist, but your argument is no longer sound.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 
The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 
There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

Sorry, but he somehow fabricated the dossier on the Shadow Brokers ship...the very same dossier which had information right down to the defensive capabilities of his suit?

Also Miranda is standing right next to TIM in person during the ME2 launch trailer

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...
Take in a girl being bullied and controlled by her father. Work hard through dubious methods to uplift the human race. Smoke cigarettes when that isn't even necessary. Screw supermodels and actresses on a regular basis. Bring back a symbol of humanity to help him stop the Collectors from harvesting human beings. Get attached to a chair. Claim he is fighting for humanity by trying to control the reapers. Name a fembot after his dead girlfriend. He's sentimental. He is more human than Reaper.

He is more human than a reaper.. Exactly my point. 
Imagine, what a beautiful concept - a reaper getting to undersatand human nature, and liking being a human! Even wanting to change the reaper template because of it. 

Edit: That SHOULD have linked to 0:09.  I hate YouTube some days.  What I wanted you to see is at 0:09.

Wow.. that was... wow...

I ONLY WANTED TO LINK TO TALI SAYING NO!  I'M SO SORRY IF I SCARRED ANYONE FOR LIFE! 

I thought it was funny in a bizarre The Office/Parks and Recreation/Community/Arrested Development kind of way.

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
1. Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 

2. The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 

3. There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

1. Miranda talks to him in person at the beginning of ME2, a tech is with him in person when she supposedly dumps reaper tech in him

2. This is conspiracy stuff. There is no reason for the Shadow Broker to fabricate his own files on TIM and TIM never breached the Shadow Broker's organization.

3. This is an assertion brought up by you with no concrete facts to back it up.

Get annoyed at me all you like. I'm just doing my job, putting your theory through rigorous testing. If it doesn't hold up, you have to let it go.

[demersel]

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 
The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 
There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

Miranda met with TIM in the beginning of ME2.  I hate to say this to a fellow ITist, but your argument is no longer sound.

Ok, let's take a closer look at that. We know that the office is a real place. And yet Miranda has no idea where it is. Who's to say that she wasn't a holo?
During that scene she did not touch the illusive man nor has she interacted with him in any way physically. Who's to say he wasn't a hologramm? With another hologramm passing him the notepad - so she would believe he's real? 
Further more - if Illusive man is a reaper (let's say he is, for a second) - he has the ability to alter perception and produce a virtula dream enviroment - the way leviathan talks to you in the DLC. And really tim's office does really resambles that abstract space where you talk to leviathan (when he sit's beside you.) - His mental space is just more cozy )))

[BansheeOwnage]

So the catalyst, the missing component to finish a reaper-killing device, turns out to be the reapers themselves? What?

[BansheeOwnage]

Dwailing wrote...

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

When I say he is more human than Reaper, I mean he is more alligned with organic goals than Reaper goals (at least at first).  I don't see why the Reapers would install themselves in an aging organic body. That seems below contempt for them. They find organics to be contemptible scum and see themselves as the pinnacle of evolution.

I don't know, de. I think you are seeing what you want to see. I'm looking at it objectively, and objectively TIM is still Jack Harper on some level and the Reapers would just not upload themselves into a human body. It's not their MO and it doesn't make sense considering their attitudes towards organics.

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games. 
The life style you talk about is exaclty the life style Bruse Wayne leads - and that is for the show. Besides his dossier and at the shadow broker's ship can be fabricated. 
There is a very real possibility that something is using Jack Harper's identity as a front. And nothing that happens during ME2 and ME3 dissproves that assertion. Those are the facts and if you look at it objectively you must see it. 

Miranda met with TIM in the beginning of ME2.  I hate to say this to a fellow ITist, but your argument is no longer sound.

Kai Leng was also there in ME3.

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Sorry, but he somehow fabricated the dossier on the Shadow Brokers ship...the very same dossier which had information right down to the defensive capabilities of his suit?

Also Miranda is standing right next to TIM in person during the ME2 launch trailer

If he is actually a reapr it does him no harm to leak the fake info about himself. 

Miranda does not touch him. 

[paxxton]

Samara is Shepard's stepfather.

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games.

Miranda does, Kai Leng does, the one doc does.

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

If he is actually a reapr it does him no harm to leak the fake info about himself.

Miranda does not touch him.

Confidence born of ignorance.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok. Let's take out rose glasses of imagination, and simply state tha facts -
Nobody ever met personally with the Illusive man during all three mass effects games.

Miranda does, Kai Leng does, the one doc does.

Right. Jana was there too.

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

1. Miranda talks to him in person at the beginning of ME2, a tech is with him in person when she supposedly dumps reaper tech in him

2. This is conspiracy stuff. There is no reason for the Shadow Broker to fabricate his own files on TIM and TIM never breached the Shadow Broker's organization.

3. This is an assertion brought up by you with no concrete facts to back it up.

Get annoyed at me all you like. I'm just doing my job, putting your theory through rigorous testing. If it doesn't hold up, you have to let it go.

1 - re-watch - and tell me that miranda actually touched him.  If she was there, how come she doesn't know where that place is?  Who's to say that TIN only has ONE office like that? 
www.youtube.com/watch

2 - it is not difficult to fabricate your own dossier, if you actually don't exist, AND there are people looking for every tiny bit of info on you. You just create a fake identity and maintain it. ))

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

1 - re-watch - and tell me that miranda actually touched him.  If she was there, how come she doesn't know where that place is?  Who's to say that TIN only has ONE office like that? 
www.youtube.com/watch

1. Why should she touch him?
2. Because the HQ isn't stationary.

[Davik Kang]

 

BatmanTurian wrote...
 Anderson: Exactly.

this is like Anderson's trial 

MegumiAzusa wrote...
It's still the best of limited options.

True but I already conceded that.  The point is EDI thinks it's going to fail.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
For not having visited Shepard, and I don't know what you mean by their minds seems to be elsewhere...

Ok, that's a reasonable suggestion.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Uhm he does check other people, watch the scene again. It's just that Shep is the first, or just the one he checks as Shep wakes up.

I dont think so.  He's shouting "Shepard, Shepard".  Only Shepard checks for survivors.  Anderson just orders "we've got to move" and is walking pretty calmly, without fear or reaction.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
He feels responsible for what happens as he couldn't urge the Alliance council enough to prepare more. He backed up Shepard many times when no one believed in her, I can't see anything odd here. The only odd thing you could say against Anderson is when he is talking to the Cerberus guy in the surveillance feed in LotSB.

I understand the straightforward interpretation of what he's saying but it does seem like an odd choice of words.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
That's just jumping now, and getting Shep to the Normandy is where she belongs, it's where she works her wonders. To head to the Citadel to get support is just a logical start.

This is all speculative, I don;t deny it, but I want to give it some more thought before discarding it.  Whta did you think about my comparison with the beam on Earth and other shrines?

[BansheeOwnage]

Holograms don't look like that.

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

If he is actually a reapr it does him no harm to leak the fake info about himself.

Miranda does not touch him.

Confidence born of ignorance.

Nice one.  I'll rephrase that - we never see her touch him. 

[Davik Kang]

Replaying the Cerberus base now. Hadn't seen that vid before of TIM asking to have the Reaper tech installed.

Also, did you know that when you walk up the ramp to TIM's office for the KL confrontation, your squad just stands there and watches? They don't follow you, just like the original beam run.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:45 .

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...
*snip*

Is someone suggesting Anderson is indoctrinated or something?

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

1. Miranda talks to him in person at the beginning of ME2, a tech is with him in person when she supposedly dumps reaper tech in him

2. This is conspiracy stuff. There is no reason for the Shadow Broker to fabricate his own files on TIM and TIM never breached the Shadow Broker's organization.

3. This is an assertion brought up by you with no concrete facts to back it up.

Get annoyed at me all you like. I'm just doing my job, putting your theory through rigorous testing. If it doesn't hold up, you have to let it go.

1 - re-watch - and tell me that miranda actually touched him.  If she was there, how come she doesn't know where that place is?  Who's to say that TIN only has ONE office like that? 
www.youtube.com/watch

2 - it is not difficult to fabricate your own dossier, if you actually don't exist, AND there are people looking for every tiny bit of info on you. You just create a fake identity and maintain it. ))

1. doesn't matter because holograms haven't been advanced enough yet to look like a person is actually there. Miranda's not on the holodeck. TIM is actually there, in person, atoms, molecules, DNA, reapertech and all.

2. There is no reason to do it, He was already " illusive/elusive". Nobody knew anything about him already. But it would be easy for the Shadow Broker to pay some disloyal cerberus mooks for information.

[AresKeith]

Why is it that everytime KotorEffect comes on, he has to attack people?

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

If he is actually a reapr it does him no harm to leak the fake info about himself.

Miranda does not touch him.

Confidence born of ignorance.

Nice one.  I'll rephrase that - we never see her touch him. 

It looks more like this.

Or, quite fittingly, this.

[paxxton]

Sorry for the random posts, folks!

EDIT: Top!

Modifié par paxxton, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:48 .