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[BansheeOwnage]

AresKeith wrote...

Why is it that everytime KotorEffect comes on, he has to attack people?

If you knew the answer to that...

[Davik Kang]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
*snip*

Is someone suggesting Anderson is indoctrinated or something?

Possibly.  I'm just terying to re-look at a whole bunch of stuff.  The Intro is of special significance because of how similar it is to Priority Earth.

I'm not specifically trying to implicate Anderson, just looking for stuff that could have significance in explaining the story.  At first it was pro-IT stuff which is why I posted it here.  Especially about the beam, a few pages back.


Cont...  I'm at the TIM room now.  Shepard pauses in the holo circle where she always used to appear when getting orders from TIM.  Then she sits down on the chair.  Now TIM's the hologram and Shepard's in control.

[demersel]

 We know that leviathans can present themselves anyway they like ot a person - look at the leviathan ending. That suggests that the reapers can do the same. 

Look again at the leviathan ending and note ho similiar the envirement you are in to illussive man's office. It is also abstract. There is a mirrorlike floor. and only the needed thing at the moment. Empty space, filled only with things that are needed at the moment. 
It starts at 4.30

 www.youtube.com/watch

[demersel]

Davik Kang wrote...

Also, did you know that when you walk up the ramp to TIM's office for the KL confrontation, your squad just stands there and watches? They don't follow you, just like the original beam run.

Thank you - exactly my point. 

Modifié par demersel, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:55 .

[MaximizedAction]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So the catalyst, the missing component to finish a reaper-killing device, turns out to be the reapers themselves? What?

Implying that only the Reapers can destroy themselves, but due to the non-trivial obstacle of a crazy little thing called indoctrination, it could also mean that this is a lie or once you 'come close enough' to destroying them, you might be tricked.

Or, in other words, a deus-ex-machina and unreliable narrator written by an unreliable narrator. Maximal unreliability.

[demersel]

Davik, while you're replaying the cronos station - tell me are there any bodies of techs and doctors there?

[Davik Kang]

Cont... The VI says that the Crucible was "adapted" at some point, "we don't know when", to incorporate the Citadel's technology. Acknowledging that the Citadel is Reaper tech, Shepard says "So we're using their own tech against them". VI confirms this.

The next dialogue options include: "This is critical information".

This is IMMEDIATELY after TIM says he wants to use Reaper tech to uplift humanity, and notes that EDI did the same - by using EVA's body for her own, she is using her enemies' weapons against them.

Could say this was a reckless move on her part? A TIM-esque move?

Will keep looking...

EDIT: dunno if this post was clear.   What I mean is, this whole scene is about the double-standards of using your enemies' weapons aganst them.  According to Shepard, TIM is doing it wrong, but doesn't comment on the fact that she and her own squad are doing the same.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 20 octobre 2012 - 07:58 .

[demersel]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
It looks more like this.

Or, quite fittingly, this.

I don't understand your response. Please explain. 

[MegumiAzusa]

Davik Kang wrote...
Whta did you think about my comparison with the beam on Earth and other shrines?

The only real thing that is comparable for me is the light, but the light source is too different. They are more comparable to the monoliths in Evolution.

[BansheeOwnage]

MaximizedAction wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So the catalyst, the missing component to finish a reaper-killing device, turns out to be the reapers themselves? What?

Implying that only the Reapers can destroy themselves, but due to the non-trivial obstacle of a crazy little thing called indoctrination, it could also mean that this is a lie or once you 'come close enough' to destroying them, you might be tricked.

Or, in other words, a deus-ex-machina and unreliable narrator written by an unreliable narrator. Maximal unreliability.

Diabolus-ex-machina in this case. Shepard will need to take Maximized Action to overcome the Maximal unreliabliity. Maximum maximum!

Seriously, the reapers are masters of deception. They trick people into thinking they can be improved by using reaper tech! From Saren's brother, to synthesis.

Every. Time.

WE WILL BRING YOUR SPECIES INTO HARMONY WITH OUR OWN.

The reapers will be connected to all of us.

Oh, great! I've always wanted to be "connected" to a reaper...

[CmdrShep80]

Humakt83 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...
Some of you might have missed this: http://social.biowar.../index/11995829

What are we looking at?  The OP?  The footstep sounds are just the guy who walks around the ship.  You can press 'Action" on him to make him salute.

There is laughing (both woman and child), coughing and reportedly even crying. The sounds are faint and random (and you can hear them in engineering deck even), so you need to use headphones, but the ambience of new Normandy is vastly different from ME 1 & 2.

you know I didn't put a lot of thought in this but the guy you salute in my game looks eerily similar to my Shepard. Did this happen with anyone else that the saluting guy looks similar to how you designed your Shepard?

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
It looks more like this.

Or, quite fittingly, this.

I don't understand your response. Please explain. 

It was in response to the ramp before TIM's office. What are you going to do there? Find a prothean VI.

What are you doing here?

[Davik Kang]

demersel wrote...
Davik, while you're replaying the cronos station - tell me are there any bodies of techs and doctors there?

I didn't see your question til too late, but I did not see any bodies at all.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
The only real thing that is comparable for me is the light, but the light source is too different. They are more comparable to the monoliths in Evolution.

Ok



Cont...  VI says the Reapers will protect the Citadel at all costs.  Interesting how they very much fail to do this.  Might be nothing.  But still... if it's sp important, bringing it to Earth where the forces are amassed seems odd... still, they had conquered Earth already so I won't give this too much weight.

[demersel]

Anyways, when you replay ME2 and ME3 next time, just consider the possibility, that TIM may actually not be human, but a reaper that got fond of humans and wants them to replace the leviathans as a template for future reapers. Everything he say and does, then actually makes sense, there is no personality shift at all.

[BansheeOwnage]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

you know I didn't put a lot of thought in this but the guy you salute in my game looks eerily similar to my Shepard. Did this happen with anyone else that the saluting guy looks similar to how you designed your Shepard?

Not really.

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[demersel]

Davik. Thank you for confirming it. You see, all those techs are just projections of the reaper - the vids are all fake. If there were real? where are they? It's not like they had time to evacuate - it was a surprise attack. The human reaper you find in the cronos station is the real TIM. He is just not fifnished yet. The more fifnished he gets - the less human he behaves.

[BansheeOwnage]

Davik Kang wrote...

Cont...  VI says the Reapers will protect the Citadel at all costs.  Interesting how they very much fail to do this. 

It only makes sense if it's a trap.

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Anyways, when you replay ME2 and ME3 next time, just consider the possibility, that TIM may actually not be human, but a reaper that got fond of humans and wants them to replace the leviathans as a template for future reapers. Everything he say and does, then actually makes sense, there is no personality shift at all.

A reaper that wants to take humans to make future reapers is already there. It's Harbinger.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Wow, I only played Overlord once... luckily we have Bill Casey:

Bill Casey wrote...

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

God damn. This puts the final nail in the coffin for control and synthesis. Over and out.

Just replace David with Shepard in that bolded sentence.

Heavy, heavy, undeniable 'control/synthesis is a no-no' foreshadowing.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 20 octobre 2012 - 08:11 .

[BatmanTurian]

demersel wrote...

Davik. Thank you for confirming it. You see, all those techs are just projections of the reaper - the vids are all fake. If there were real? where are they? It's not like they had time to evacuate - it was a surprise attack. The human reaper you find in the cronos station is the real TIM. He is just not fifnished yet. The more fifnished he gets - the less human he behaves.

okay pardon me if this offends you, but now you've gone off the deep end.... that human reaper is the remains from the Collector base you blow up in ME2.

[TJBartlemus]

demersel wrote...

Davik. Thank you for confirming it. You see, all those techs are just projections of the reaper - the vids are all fake. If there were real? where are they? It's not like they had time to evacuate - it was a surprise attack. The human reaper you find in the cronos station is the real TIM. He is just not fifnished yet. The more fifnished he gets - the less human he behaves.

What??  Confused I am...what have I missed in the last 24 hours?

[CmdrShep80]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

you know I didn't put a lot of thought in this but the guy you salute in my game looks eerily similar to my Shepard. Did this happen with anyone else that the saluting guy looks similar to how you designed your Shepard?

Not really.

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hmm wonder if somewhere on the ship is a lady version of someone that'll poke like fem shep when you play a game with her

[BatmanTurian]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Wow, I only played Overlord once... luckily we have Bill Casey:

Bill Casey wrote...

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

God damn. This puts the final nail in the coffin for control and synthesis. Over and out.

Just replace David with Shepard in that bolded sentence.

Heavy, heavy, undeniable 'control/synthesis is a no-no' foreshadowing.

I wish we could spam it in the synth and control threads, but they'd just call us trolls and report us.

[demersel]

BatmanTurian wrote...

demersel wrote...

Anyways, when you replay ME2 and ME3 next time, just consider the possibility, that TIM may actually not be human, but a reaper that got fond of humans and wants them to replace the leviathans as a template for future reapers. Everything he say and does, then actually makes sense, there is no personality shift at all.

A reaper that wants to take humans to make future reapers is already there. It's Harbinger.

In ME2 Harbinger is curious about the concept - so he cundacts an experimant - in his secret lab in a safe enviroment, his personal back yard - to see whot comes out of that. He wants to control everything. TIM-reaper wants to be in charge and sabotages harbinger's work. 
Again, TIM-Reaper is cross with harbinger for some reason. He may hove gone rouge. (just like cerberus did with the allience)

[BansheeOwnage]

demersel wrote...

Anyways, when you replay ME2 and ME3 next time, just consider the possibility, that TIM may actually not be human, but a reaper that got fond of humans and wants them to replace the leviathans as a template for future reapers. Everything he say and does, then actually makes sense, there is no personality shift at all.

It could be because he's indoctrinated. Maybe.

Top!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 20 octobre 2012 - 08:14 .