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Sorry..went to go edit / add stuff to the website I'm working on. What was the quote from Retribution that everyone was fighting about? (cause you know I am all about stuff about retribution ;])

Have I also told you guys about the connection between retribution and retaliation?

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NotforProfit wrote...
You make an excellent point about Saren's attack. ... Maybe I'll have more to contribute when I've had a minute to read up. Keep up the good work. 

Thanks, though it was Seival's point.  Credit where credit's due.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...
Btw they cut out something interesting in the low ems ending.
Guardian: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities, but I can't make them happen." this was followed by "And I wont." earlier, but it isn't anymore.

So new possibility is Synthesis.  Good catch.  Though this does work in any intrepretation.

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Let's see... The Elizabeth Tower (previously called the Clock Tower) named in tribute to Queen Elizabeth II in her Diamond Jubilee year[7] – was raised as a part of Charles Barry's design for a new palace, after the old Palace of Westminster was largely destroyed by fire on the night of 16 October 1834.[8][9] The new Parliament was built in a Neo-gothic style. Although Barry was the chief architect of the Palace, he turned to Augustus Pugin for the design of the clock tower, which resembles earlier Pugin designs, including one for Scarisbrick Hall. The design for the Elizabeth Tower was Pugin's last design before his final descent into madness and death, and Pugin himself wrote, at the time of Barry's last visit to him to collect the drawings: "I never worked so hard in my life for Mr Barry for tomorrow I render all the designs for finishing his bell tower & it is beautiful."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana


This whole part is so important. But you know what's most interesting about this email? It's almost certainly the very last thing you see before going to Earth. What do you do after Cronos Station? Take a tour of the ship and talk to everyone. You only get this after talking to Allers after Cronos, so you're going to read this after talking to everyone, and probably right before you enter the galaxy map!

On another note, can someone find that Datapad from London that heavily implies the beam is an indoctrination, or at least a husk making device?

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401 Kill wrote...

Does anybody know what Big Ben symbolizes? It was in the trailer, it's in the game, and it is in the ending sequence. London is rubble but Big Ben is still standing. What does it symbolize???


What time it shows? During different scenes.

Modifié par Humakt83, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:06 .


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Everyone knows about the Crucible! It's not that hard. I mean come on TIM knew about the Crucible since the mars arcives, and since TIM is Indoctrinated, then the Reapers know that the Crucible is still around.

Also in Leviathan when Shepard askes about the Crucible, it's eyes shift towards the ground, then to the right then back to Shepard. They know what the Crucible really is, and they are hiding something.

They have watch countless cycles build the Crucible, but failed. Yet this cycle is the first to build it fully. Also Catalyst says they found out about the Crucible seven cycles ago, and thought they Destroyed it, yet in Javils cycle, they had plans for the Crucible, yet why does the Catalyst tells us that " We found out about the Crucible seven cycles ago, and thought we Destroyed it." I mean come on.

It's "several" not "seven". But you're right! The reapers had to have known about it. And if they did, it's a trap.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana


This whole part is so important. But you know what's most interesting about this email? It's almost certainly the very last thing you see before going to Earth. What do you do after Cronos Station? Take a tour of the ship and talk to everyone. You only get this after talking to Allers after Cronos, so you're going to read this after talking to everyone, and probably right before you enter the galaxy map!

On another note, can someone find that Datapad from London that heavily implies the beam is an indoctrination, or at least a husk making device?


WNT first at logical deduction that the beam is an indoctrination device and reason / uses for it. ;)

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Similarly, on Remembrance Day, the chimes of Big Ben are broadcast to mark the 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month and the start of two minutes' silence.

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Davik Kang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Btw they cut out something interesting in the low ems ending.
Guardian: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities, but I can't make them happen." this was followed by "And I wont." earlier, but it isn't anymore.

So new possibility is Synthesis.  Good catch.  Though this does work in any intrepretation.


Perhaps it was changed because it's gramatically incorrect? With low ems you only have one "possibility" not plural.

Anyway, glad to see the thread is moving so fast. Any one have any idea what's planned for N7 day?

Edit: sorry just realised it was the "and I won't" that was changed - never mind.

Modifié par Eryri, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:13 .


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Eryri wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Btw they cut out something interesting in the low ems ending.
Guardian: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities, but I can't make them happen." this was followed by "And I wont." earlier, but it isn't anymore.

So new possibility is Synthesis.  Good catch.  Though this does work in any intrepretation.


Perhaps it was changed because it's gramatically incorrect? With low ems you only have one "possibility" not plural.

Anyway, glad to see the thread is moving so fast. Any one have any idea what's planned for N7 day?


I'm playing Halo 4. ;) That's my plan at least. (N7 day is Nov 6th right?) BioWare's plan though...have no idea.

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I would also think that the Big Ben, since it is a symbol of england, can be a symbol of endurement - the england was all alone against Germany at some point. Yet it resisted.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Sorry..went to go edit / add stuff to the website I'm working on. What was the quote from Retribution that everyone was fighting about? (cause you know I am all about stuff about retribution ;])

Have I also told you guys about the connection between retribution and retaliation?

Yes. Did you read what I said about it? Some files for Retaliation are titled "Invasion". Invasion was about Omega.

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masster blaster wrote...

Everyone knows about the Crucible! It's not that hard. I mean come on TIM knew about the Crucible since the mars arcives, and since TIM is Indoctrinated, then the Reapers know that the Crucible is still around.

Also in Leviathan when Shepard askes about the Crucible, it's eyes shift towards the ground, then to the right then back to Shepard. They know what the Crucible really is, and they are hiding something.

They have watch countless cycles build the Crucible, but failed. Yet this cycle is the first to build it fully. Also Catalyst says they found out about the Crucible seven cycles ago, and thought they Destroyed it, yet in Javils cycle, they had plans for the Crucible, yet why does the Catalyst tells us that " We found out about the Crucible seven cycles ago, and thought we Destroyed it." I mean come on.

1. Not seven but several.
2. They thought they eradicated the concept with the Protheans, not with the original cycle.

Also it's actually stated near the end why the Catalyst (the Citadel) is named the Catalyst (a slightly shorter version was given): The Crucible is basically a one shot device of mass reaper destruction, it could have very well been that it was actually built and used some cycles ago. They added the Catalyst to spread the energy throughout the Relay network, as the Citadel controls the whole network they planned to activate all the Relays so that the energy was released everywhere Reapers were.
Which also makes sense that the Catalyst wasn't part of the initial design. As Vendetta said each Cycle added to it.

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TJBartlemus wrote...

I'm playing Halo 4. ;) That's my plan at least. (N7 day is Nov 6th right?) BioWare's plan though...have no idea.

N7 day is the 7th. Posted Image

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TJBartlemus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana


This whole part is so important. But you know what's most interesting about this email? It's almost certainly the very last thing you see before going to Earth. What do you do after Cronos Station? Take a tour of the ship and talk to everyone. You only get this after talking to Allers after Cronos, so you're going to read this after talking to everyone, and probably right before you enter the galaxy map!

On another note, can someone find that Datapad from London that heavily implies the beam is an indoctrination, or at least a husk making device?


WNT first at logical deduction that the beam is an indoctrination device and reason / uses for it. Posted Image


I know Posted Image One of the biggest things that supports this is that Datapad, but I can't remember where it is in London.

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Davik Kang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Btw they cut out something interesting in the low ems ending.
Guardian: "The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities, but I can't make them happen." this was followed by "And I wont." earlier, but it isn't anymore.

So new possibility is Synthesis. Good catch. Though this does work in any intrepretation.

I never said anything about Synthesis. I only said they removed the "And I wont." Also Synthesis is no option in low EMS.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:13 .


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demersel wrote...

I would also think that the Big Ben, since it is a symbol of england, can be a symbol of endurement - the england was all alone against Germany at some point. Yet it resisted.

We shall never surrender.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I'm playing Halo 4. ;) That's my plan at least. (N7 day is Nov 6th right?) BioWare's plan though...have no idea.

N7 day is the 7th. Posted Image


I'm going to be playing Halo 4 on the 6th, but I'll definitely be playing one of the Mass Effects on the 7th.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sorry..went to go edit / add stuff to the website I'm working on. What was the quote from Retribution that everyone was fighting about? (cause you know I am all about stuff about retribution ;])

Have I also told you guys about the connection between retribution and retaliation?

Yes. Did you read what I said about it? Some files for Retaliation are titled "Invasion". Invasion was about Omega.


Nah...as far as I knew no one responded to my posts. (and they were pretty good too...) :crying: You have a link? (And is no one curious about the website at all?)

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demersel wrote...

I would also think that the Big Ben, since it is a symbol of england, can be a symbol of endurement - the england was all alone against Germany at some point. Yet it resisted.

Nah, that's going too far - strawology. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 20 octobre 2012 - 10:16 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

I need to believe that you’re going to destroy the Reapers and I’m going to film it as it happens. And when the fight is over, and my signal goes out on tightbeam, people are going to come together from all over the galaxy. They’re going to watch from their couches, and they’ll celebrate. And one day, they’ll laugh again.

The laughing part is important. I want you to make it all normal again, Shepard. Because that’s the best revenge I can think of.

—Diana


This whole part is so important. But you know what's most interesting about this email? It's almost certainly the very last thing you see before going to Earth. What do you do after Cronos Station? Take a tour of the ship and talk to everyone. You only get this after talking to Allers after Cronos, so you're going to read this after talking to everyone, and probably right before you enter the galaxy map!

On another note, can someone find that Datapad from London that heavily implies the beam is an indoctrination, or at least a husk making device?


WNT first at logical deduction that the beam is an indoctrination device and reason / uses for it. Posted Image


I know Posted Image One of the biggest things that supports this is that Datapad, but I can't remember where it is in London.


It's on a crate at the end of a dark hallway right after the room with Liara.  And I do mean RIGHT after that room.  When you go through the doorway, it's on the right.  Get it?  Right. =]

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 Ok, here's the conversation with vendetta (where does that name come from anyway??) www.youtube.com/watch 

Skip to 6.40 - listen to Vedettas reply - it makes no sense - we know that in the prothean cycle the reapers took the citadel right away - just as they did in all the previous cycles...

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I'm playing Halo 4. ;) That's my plan at least. (N7 day is Nov 6th right?) BioWare's plan though...have no idea.

N7 day is the 7th. Posted Image


Oh...doesn't change anything. :P Still gonna play Halo. Maybe some MP for Mass Effect, but a majority will be SP / MP Halo 4.

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Wait didn't somebody found high signals comming of from Coats when he talks to you. I remember this, and this fight's with the Reaper signals they give off.

Also doesn't it makes logical sense that the bad guys will pretend to be your friend only to get what he/she wants. Everyone wants Shepard.

The galaxy needs Shepard. The crew Needs Shepard. The Reapers need Shepard.

Remember this from ME2, and from ME3.

When Joker tells us about what happened to the crew. He tells us that without Shepard there was nothing to hold them together , so the went their seperate ways.

Then if your LI is Ash she tells you that. When she lost Shepard she lost all hope, like the memorial scene your squad lost hope about Shepard being alive because Shepard thinks he/she is dead.

However she say " but that's not going to happen again." Also I like she calls Shepard a god in ME2, even though Shepard is not, but the Reapers view themselves as gods.