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[plfranke]

I do think the crucible has to have some other function other than just a major distraction for game mechanic reasons and replayability reasons. For instance, why would adding on to the crucible add war assets which will lead to Shepard breathing in destroy if the crucible is just a trap which is distracting Shepard from defeating the Reapers. It would also be really annoying to have to play through the entire game knowing that you're building something that's absolutely worthless. I think a more logical course of action would be for Bioware to have some outside party (Cerberus, Leviathans, etc) to repurpose the Crucible to do something useful instead of harmful. That way it makes sense why adding on to the Crucible would increase war assets and you wouldn't feel like a tool spending the whole game building it.

[spotlessvoid]

Does anyone know if it's possible to acquire all the crucible parts and have low ems?

[plfranke]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Does anyone know if it's possible to acquire all the crucible parts and have low ems?

Well that brings in the problem of galactic readiness, because something might be low ems at 50% galactic readiness but be above and beyond with 100% and no one knows what the canon galactic readiness is.

[spotlessvoid]

Plfranke:
Well that's very possible of course. But it could also be a Reaper tool. As far as why higher assets means anything...it could just mean Shepard is stronger and can resist better. And proves he's worthy for ascension. That's kind of what IT suggests anyways.

[spotlessvoid]

plfranke wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Does anyone know if it's possible to acquire all the crucible parts and have low ems?

Well that brings in the problem of galactic readiness, because something might be low ems at 50% galactic readiness but be above and beyond with 100% and no one knows what the canon galactic readiness is.

Someone suggested to me that the different options available on the crucible are based on it not being duly completed. That's why I asked

[Andromidius]

I think its just a case of EMS being a ham fisted concept to start with.

Hense why some people think its less about 'Effective Military Strength' and more about 'Effective Mental Strength' for Shepard. If you think you're strong, if you think you're prepared, if you think you did everything possible, you'll be more confident in your task. Maybe even arrogant or careless because you think you've already stacked the deck in your favour.

[Dwailing]

Andromidius wrote...

I think its just a case of EMS being a ham fisted concept to start with.

Hense why some people think its less about 'Effective Military Strength' and more about 'Effective Mental Strength' for Shepard. If you think you're strong, if you think you're prepared, if you think you did everything possible, you'll be more confident in your task. Maybe even arrogant or careless because you think you've already stacked the deck in your favour.

That would explain why a fully upgraded Normandy is more valuable than an entire Alliance fleet.

[plfranke]

Dwailing wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

I think its just a case of EMS being a ham fisted concept to start with.

Hense why some people think its less about 'Effective Military Strength' and more about 'Effective Mental Strength' for Shepard. If you think you're strong, if you think you're prepared, if you think you did everything possible, you'll be more confident in your task. Maybe even arrogant or careless because you think you've already stacked the deck in your favour.

That would explain why a fully upgraded Normandy is more valuable than an entire Alliance fleet.

but not why a vorcha is more valuable than a dreadnought. The system is just ridiculous.

[Davik Kang]

spotlessvoid wrote...
Someone suggested to me that the different options available on the crucible are based on it not being duly completed. That's why I asked

I used to think that but now I think it just reflects how well the Allaince can protect the Crucible en route.  I do wonder the same thing though.  But can you imagine doing different playthroughs identically, but just getting different Crucible parts?  It would be painful to the extreme.  So it probably doesn't have such an effect, especially as many of the parts are just found on various scannable planets.

Must.    

Sleep.

[demersel]

Hello guys. So I've slept on the idea that TIM is a reaper, and though it there contradictions to it, i still thing it is an awesome idea and that there is just a bit more to it (it is a bit more complicated than that.

[demersel]

For example - the Illisive man's eyes turn green in the end of Mass Effect 2, if you save the base.

And in the destroy the base ending - his eyes do not shine any more at all.  (only for a brief moment, when he get's really angry at you)

Modifié par demersel, 21 octobre 2012 - 05:38 .

[plfranke]

demersel wrote...

For example - the Illisive man's eyes turn green in the end of Mass Effect 2, if you save the base.

And in the destroy the base ending - his eyes do not shine any more at all. 

I never noticed that. The different dialogue options are pretty cool also. If you go paragon I think it is TIM says "We need each other" just like the catalyst but if you go renegade he says "Cerberus will be ready to face the Reapers."

[demersel]

Just think about the possibility of TIM actually being a derelict reaper! We don't get to speak to him after the mission, only other time is right before suicide mission, and TIM doesn't seem himself (he only has Jack Harper's body to rely on left at this point). This thing would actually explain "what was the point of ME2?" qestion.

[plfranke]

conventional victory should not be possible. We are going up against thousands of machines who are billions of years old. They outgun us, they're more intelligent and they can even mind control us. They've done this countless times and we've only been preparing for 2 years... Come on now

[plfranke]

demersel wrote...

Just think about the possibility of TIM actually being a derelict reaper! We don't get to speak to him after the mission, only other time is right before suicide mission, and TIM doesn't seem himself (he only has Jack Harper's body to rely on left at this point). This thing would actually explain "what was the point of ME2?" qestion.

Dude what the hell are you talking about

[spotlessvoid]

@Swoby

That would be nice. Bioware may have a plan, but can't say I expect much. Would be great if they surprise me though.


I've been trying to up with a theory that doesn't require additional content post breath scene. No success with high ems destroy. You either believe the ending or you have to head canon it.

[FFZero]

Oh for the love of....Tim is not a Reaper Demersel.

[Andromidius]

plfranke wrote...

conventional victory should not be possible. We are going up against thousands of machines who are billions of years old. They outgun us, they're more intelligent and they can even mind control us. They've done this countless times and we've only been preparing for 2 years... Come on now

Yet despite this, the Galaxy has put more hurt onto the Reapers then the Protheans did in centuries of conflict.  And the Protheans were more advanced technologically.

The key is diversity.  The only time the Reapers take a beating is because of cooperation between the species.  The Miracle at Palavan, where Turian and Krogan fight side by side (not to mention Tunchunka, a more minor victory).  The reclaiming of Rannoch, where Quarian and Geth forces unite once again (potentially).

Conventional victory isn't possible because conventional warfare is essentially 'send in the Turians to deal with the problem'.  The idea of Krogan defending Palavan is a shocking concept to both species.  The idea of a Salarian defying orders to cure the Krogan he himself infected (or rather, updated the infection upon) and sacrificing himself is completely alien before it happens.  Geth installed inside Quarian suits would terrify Quarians previous to the ceasefire.

Of course it'll be bloody, but the Reapers only seem to have one primary goal - self preservation via domination.  Even if you take into account the nonsense about 'preserving life', they aren't achieving that by taking heavy losses.  Eventually if the fighting didn't end quickly they'd be forced to retreat out of sheer necessity.

[BleedingUranium]

SwobyJ wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

The Crucible (the red herring) is perhaps nothing more than a pointless and massive waste of time and resources, put into play just to keep organics focused on anything but directly confronting the Reapers. Its also how the Reapers accomplish getting Shepard to the Beam so he can be tested.

The driving thing behind the theory is that Synthesis is obviously horrible, requires higher ems, looks like and is in the middle position like the Beam. Still need to work out the details and would love any feedback or obliteration of this idea.

Bolded for emphasis.

Conventional victory is imo only possible with a UNITED galaxy fighting on ALL fronts.

Enter the co-op multiplayer, engineered in the story as foreshadowing a larger co-operation between the species.

Right. And what is Shepard? The Catalyst. Why did the other cycles fail? They couldn't find a Catalyst to unite them. Shepard is the Catalyst!

[demersel]

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

[demersel]

And this makes the whole ME2 - a power struggle between him, and Harbinger - harbinger making a trap for him, and winning in both cases - you see, TIM gets so eager to see what it is harbinger doing so he sacrifices his body (the darelict reaper) so you can get to the collector base. His gamble was - that whateever is there - he'll get some new body (perhaps he already had a similiar human reaper partially constracted by that point - you do get the heart of the reaper anyway - that implies that cerberus had it regardless of yourchoice at the collector base in ME2 - that is a back up core he had built - in darelict reaper you destroy the core). or he would have the normandy as a back up - yet he loses both