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[plfranke]

demersel wrote...

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

You have just brought shame on the indoctrination theory and anyone who has every believed in it.

[demersel]

plfranke wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

You have just brought shame on the indoctrination theory and anyone who has every believed in it.

Whatever.

[plfranke]

demersel wrote...

plfranke wrote...

demersel wrote...

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

You have just brought shame on the indoctrination theory and anyone who has every believed in it.

Whatever.

The internet doesn't do a good job of conveying a joking tone. I do 100% disagree with this idea still though

[spotlessvoid]

"Shepard is the Catalyst!"

Perhaps. The question is what does the crucible do?

It's literally the only new concept added to the narrative in ME3 and what the whole game is about. Unless you consider indoctrination. But then you think nothing happens with it at the end and the decision chamber is real, or we still dont know what the crucible does.

How can you have a whole game centered around this one new concept and not reveal what it does? We're no father along than at the end of ME1. Reapers are coming, don't know how we'll stop them.

[FFZero]

demersel wrote...

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

demersel wrote...

And this makes the whole ME2 - a power
struggle between him, and Harbinger - harbinger making a trap for him,
and winning in both cases - you see, TIM gets so eager to see what it is
harbinger doing so he sacrifices his body (the darelict reaper) so you
can get to the collector base. His gamble was - that whateever is there -
he'll get some new body (perhaps he already had a similiar human reaper
partially constracted by that point - you do get the heart of the
reaper anyway - that implies that cerberus had it regardless of
yourchoice at the collector base in ME2 - that is a back up core he had
built - in darelict reaper you destroy the core). or he would have the
normandy as a back up - yet he loses both

I'm really not seeing how you've made this leap of logic Demersel...

[spotlessvoid]

Demersel,
That's really really far out there, backed by nothing in the game. It's just too far fetched.

[demersel]

Do you wish to? I mean it will take me a lot of time and effort to explain everything (if we were chatting in real life it would be easier, but here - not so much) I mean that idea? TIM actually being some rouge reaper does not change anything that happened, just gives it new context, and explains some events that happen seemingly random as soem incosistent things about TIM, but at the end it doesn't change anything, so i don't really understand why is everybody are so cross with the idea. It's not like i'm suggesting that the event's of the whole game did not happen. and are just a fantasy.

Modifié par demersel, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:16 .

[spotlessvoid]

I'm not cross. I just think that theory isn't grounded in much. Maybe start a thread or post it here after you write it up? Or keep doing you man haha

[FFZero]

We’re not cross Demersel, we just don’t get where this is coming from. What you are saying just doesn’t make any sense and isn’t supported by anything from any of the games. Now I don’t like dismissing any ideas that people come up with but I'm sorry, this one is just bat-s**t bonkers.

[demersel]

That's not a theory - that's just an idea so far.

[demersel]

FFZero wrote...

We’re not cross Demersel, we just don’t get where this is coming from. What you are saying just doesn’t make any sense and isn’t supported by anything from any of the games. Now I don’t like dismissing any ideas that people come up with but I'm sorry, this one is just bat-s**t bonkers.

Could you please tell me, why exactly is it bat-s*8t bonkers, so when i think about it some more and look for evidence on that i'll be able to know what things i need to adress?

[CmdrShep80]

cool!  BioWare's letting you redeem the commendation packs right after you complete the weekend challenges
I picked up an N7 Crusader II
What do I do on those weekends where I'm just not able to play a round or three?

[spotlessvoid]

If TIM is a derelict Reaper wouldn't he want to stay as under the radar as possible? Why draw attention?

[Bill Casey]

demersel wrote...

plfranke, just an idea i had yesterday. About TIM being not just a human puppet for some reaper, the way Saren was, but actually being a full reaper, that has taken identity of jack harper as a front, - he's damaged or crippled, and tried to heal himself, but in the process through inintial contact with jack harbep got to expirience what it is like to be a human and liked. So all the time we see tim in ME2 we're actualy expiriencing an illusion, just like in the end of leviathan - with the reaper presenting himself as jack harper (as he has been doing to everybody - him being a recluse and never meeting anybody personally, and his personal appearences only rumors) - it started at page 1480

demersel wrote...

And this makes the whole ME2 - a power struggle between him, and Harbinger - harbinger making a trap for him,
and winning in both cases - you see, TIM gets so eager to see what it is harbinger doing so he sacrifices his body (the darelict reaper) so you can get to the collector base. His gamble was - that whateever is there -he'll get some new body (perhaps he already had a similiar human reaper partially constracted by that point - you do get the heart of the reaper anyway - that implies that cerberus had it regardless of yourchoice at the collector base in ME2 - that is a back up core he had built - in darelict reaper you destroy the core). or he would have the normandy as a back up - yet he loses both

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I should go

[demersel]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If TIM is a derelict Reaper wouldn't he want to stay as under the radar as possible? Why draw attention?

Exactly why he says? - (cause he want to promote humanity, and ensure its domination?) - remeber he's not a full reaper - he's demaged, nearly dead - and that gives him the change not to think as a full reaper - he touched Jack Harper - and liked being a human.  And he doesn't really draw attention - he does keep a low profile. Except Harbinger noticed and decided to sort things out. We don't know how he got demaged in the first place - it could be he wanted to overthrow harbinger and got executed. 

[demersel]

Bill Casey wrote...

I should go

 Just go already )


Edit. I should go to actually. 

Modifié par demersel, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:36 .

[Bill Casey]

demersel wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

If TIM is a derelict Reaper wouldn't he want to stay as under the radar as possible? Why draw attention?

Exactly why he says? - (cause he want to promote humanity, and ensure its domination?) - remeber he's not a full reaper - he's demaged, nearly dead - and that gives him the change not to think as a full reaper - he touched Jack Harper - and liked being a human.  And he doesn't really draw attention - he does keep a low profile. Except Harbinger noticed and decided to sort things out. We don't know how he got demaged in the first place - it could be he wanted to overthrow harbinger and got executed. 

OR The Illusive Man is just fighting indoctrination...
You know... like what happens to people who have contact with reaper artifacts...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .

[FFZero]

demersel wrote...

FFZero wrote...

We’re not cross Demersel, we just don’t get where this is coming from. What you are saying just doesn’t make any sense and isn’t supported by anything from any of the games. Now I don’t like dismissing any ideas that people come up with but I'm sorry, this one is just bat-s**t bonkers.

Could you please tell me, why exactly is it bat-s*8t bonkers, so when i think about it some more and look for evidence on that i'll be able to know what things i need to adress?

I honestly don’t know where to start, there are far too many problems with your idea for me to list right now, I’m too tired and I’m surprised I’m still making sense at this point.

I will though list a few major problems I have with your idea, the most major problem being where is the evidence supporting this?  What are you basing this idea on?

Also, the Reapers see themselves as the apex of evolution and see all organics as little more than lumps of genetic material for them to play synthesis with, so why would one want to take over a humans body?

Modifié par FFZero, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:43 .

[Big_Boss9]

I can't wait for Omega to drop so we don't have to continue entertaining these horrendously dumb hypotheses.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 21 octobre 2012 - 06:46 .

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

"Shepard is the Catalyst!"

Perhaps. The question is what does the crucible do?

It's literally the only new concept added to the narrative in ME3 and what the whole game is about. Unless you consider indoctrination. But then you think nothing happens with it at the end and the decision chamber is real, or we still dont know what the crucible does.

How can you have a whole game centered around this one new concept and not reveal what it does? We're no father along than at the end of ME1. Reapers are coming, don't know how we'll stop them.

True, but the Reapers have (presumably) never faced a united galaxy such as this. I think we could win even if the Crucible does nothing, sabotage it to our favour if it's a trap, or find another way.

Something else I just realised about my Rio theory: no one on Earth, except a few close to Anderson, would be aware of the Crucible, so without this super weapon to put their hopes into, they'd have to come up with their own plan! That's why it's plausible that the facility in Rio did develop something to fight/destroy/etc the Reapers, because no one on Earth is wasting time, resources, or hope on some ancient Reaper superweapon!

[Leonia]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

I can't wait for Omega to drop so we don't have to continue entertaining these horrendously dumb hypotheses.

Quoting for freaking emphasis.

[spotlessvoid]

All very plausible Blur. I meant more that it deserves an explanation from it's writers.

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Seival wrote...

...I created such poll. All pro-IT-ers and anti-IT-ers could vote, if they really interested in resolving the IT situation once and for all. And I'm afraid there is no other way to resolve the situation completely.

There is another solution.

I'm on top! (No, that's not the solution. Not yet anyway!)

Your post changed the pagenumber, created new possibilities, but you can't make them happen

Also I just remembered:
Guardian: "The fact that you are standing here, the first organic ever, proofs it, but it also proofs my solution wont work anymore."
Shep: "So now what?"
Low EMS Guardian: "That depends on you."
High EMS Guaridan: "We find a new solution."

It's interesting how in low EMS it depends on Shepard as in did he destroy the Collector base or not, and how "we find a new solution" in that context maybe not just refers to the Guardian and the Reapers but Shep included.

Hey that makes more sense than what the kid said.

I dislike how the second part of the post isn't picked up though

Sorry, I just couldn't think of anything to say. It makes sense.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

All very plausible Blur. I meant more that it deserves an explanation from it's writers.

Definitely!

[BansheeOwnage]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Right. And what is Shepard? The Catalyst. Why did the other cycles fail? They couldn't find a Catalyst to unite them. Shepard is the Catalyst!

This. So much this. I thought Shepard would be the catalyst my first playthrough. What did everyone else think?

Top! 

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 21 octobre 2012 - 07:22 .