80611 réponses à ce sujet

[Andromidius]

Davik Kang wrote...

This could lend weight to the idea that Destroy is the true ending.  But there are more implications as well.

Interesting ideas.  Mind you, unless you have high EMS Shepard will be changed in that Shep dies.

But with high EMS, Shepard wakes up... in London.  Exactly as it was before being hit by Harbinger's beam.

Unless anyone is going to argue that the breath scene isn't in London.  Again.

[Restrider]

Xilizhra wrote...

This would be fine if your faction wasn't repeatedly demanding acknowledgement in coming DLC/ME4.

On totally unrelated topic:
I've always wondered and always wanted to know the following: 
In all your playthroughs, how many times did you spare Morinth?

[Restrider]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

So I did what everyone said to do, update the individual add ons.  Mind you I've only updated the main game and dl all the dlcs.  So out of all the add ons,

Earth - up to date
Firefight - had a 17.84 MB update
From Ashes - up to date
Groundside Resistance - up to date
Leviathan - up to date
M55 Argus Assault Rifle - couldn't find a way to update anything
Mass Effect 3 Soundtrack - 742.59 MB update
N7 Collector's Edition Materials - up to date
Rebellion - up to date
Resurgance - up to date
Retaliation - up to date

I wonder what was in the updated materials, particularly for the soundtrack?

Sounds more like file corruption for me. Never had a case where I had to update manually, and I never had any updates shown for these dlcs.

I know neither did I but I think it was Restrider who said click on each one and try to update manually because he had an update in them.

Sorry, but it wasn't me!

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

So I did what everyone said to do, update the individual add ons.  Mind you I've only updated the main game and dl all the dlcs.  So out of all the add ons,

Earth - up to date
Firefight - had a 17.84 MB update
From Ashes - up to date
Groundside Resistance - up to date
Leviathan - up to date
M55 Argus Assault Rifle - couldn't find a way to update anything
Mass Effect 3 Soundtrack - 742.59 MB update
N7 Collector's Edition Materials - up to date
Rebellion - up to date
Resurgance - up to date
Retaliation - up to date

I wonder what was in the updated materials, particularly for the soundtrack?

Sounds more like file corruption for me. Never had a case where I had to update manually, and I never had any updates shown for these dlcs.

I know neither did I but I think it was Restrider who said click on each one and try to update manually because he had an update in them.

Sorry, but it wasn't me!

I got updates for most of the DLC when I did manual updating.

I know who he was but I'm not telling you cause I don't snitch.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:04 .

[Dwailing]

I was the one who recommended updating the DLC.

[Davik Kang]

Andromidius wrote...
Unless anyone is going to argue that the breath scene isn't in London.  Again.

Yesterday I would have argued exactly that.  Today, I'm not so sure.

I thought I had figured so much out since I joined these forums, but after playing the Cerberus base and Earth again last night, I feel like I understand less about the ending than when I finished it the first time.  There's so much stuff there.

It literally seems like all the theories make sense and none of them make sense at the same time.

Modifié par Davik Kang, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:21 .

[Restrider]

Just because it's awesome:
Davik Kang - step forward.
It is the decision of the thread's board that you be granted all the powers and privileges of the Indoctrination Theorists branch of the BSN.
ITers are not trained, but chosen individuals forged in the fire of service and analysis; those whose actions elevate them above average and naifs.
ITers are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of resilience, determination and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the BSN, instruments of BioWare's will.
ITers bare a great burden. They are protectors of galactic lore, both BioWare's first and last line of defense. The consistency of the lore is theirs to uphold.

Edit: Just for you Home Run (link), note Tevos' nod.

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...

Just because it's awesome:
Davik Kang - step forward.
It is the decision of the thread's board that you be granted all the powers and privileges of the Indoctrination Theorists branch of the BSN.
ITers are not trained, but chosen individuals forged in the fire of service and analysis; those whose actions elevate them above average and naifs.
ITers are an ideal, a symbol. The embodiment of resilience, determination and self-reliance. They are the right hand of the BSN, instruments of BioWare's will.
ITers bare a great burden. They are protectors of galactic lore, both BioWare's first and last line of defense. The consistency of the lore is theirs to uphold.

Edit: Just for you Home Run (link), note Tevos' nod.

Twice?  I think I've been here before?   Is this from my memories?  Does this mean I'm... indoctrinated??????????????

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP I CAN'T WAKE UP WHY WON'T IT STOP....

[Restrider]

Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the seventh poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the eigth poll (1,5 hours left!!) and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!
I also made another survey on a totally unrelated topic that still needs to be resolved.

And please think about a way to incorporate Anderson's behaviour in London and the datapad hinting that the beam is a huge con into one of the IT's Top Ten points. I'd also appreciate it, if you could provide me with links.

[Restrider]

Davik Kang wrote...

Twice?  I think I've been here before?   Is this from my memories?  Does this mean I'm... indoctrinated??????????????

PLEASE MAKE IT STOP I CAN'T WAKE UP WHY WON'T IT STOP....

Your mind will be ours.

[Davik Kang]

Restrider wrote...
Your mind will be ours.

NO!  I'M the one in control!  Nnnnnghghghghghg....

head hurts.  Throbbing sound.  Distant hum.  Know what to do.

[AresKeith]

"It looks pretty. Calm and peaceful. But it's not right. It's all just an illusion."

[Sgt Reed 24]

I've always loved the IT and have always said that if this wasn't their original intention in the endings of the game, then they should have stolen it from you guys and done so in the DLC. But... I was still disappointed in the endings.

If they are/were using the IT ... wouldn't they need either post-ending dlc or to continue in a new game to get the true ending? Is there any more dlc besides Omega coming out?

Or maybe they wanted to end it with showing Shepard breathing as a hint that there was still hope after a terrible ending and they just chose bad alternate endings in control and synthesis?

One can hope, I guess. =/

I would have preferred to be able to continue playing after the breath scene... that way you knew you survived the indoctrination.

[MegumiAzusa]

Just reading Revelations and

Massive terraforming projects began to transform the lifeless surface of Earth's own moon into a habitable environment.

Woot? Didn't see that.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Reposting, for great justice.

Overlord establishes synthesis/control is a no-no.

Bill Casey wrote...

Gavin Archer: This is a hybrid intelligence the likes of which I have never seen. I don't know where the man ends and the machine begins.

Shepard: You should have considered that before you started the experiment.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: I'm begging you, don't do anything rash.

Shepard: Rash? Like forcing your brother into an experiment?

Gavin Archer: I know how this must look, but I never intended any harm to come to him. You must believe me
______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: Any war we fight with the Geth will be bloody. I was asked to find a way to avoid that.

Shepard: Who gave you the right to play God?

Gavin Archer: People who were too afraid to make difficult decisions themselves. When they pray for a miracle, they're really praying for men like me to make the tough choices. If my work spares a million mothers morning the loss of a million sons, my conscience will rest easy.
_______________________________________________

Gavin Archer: It would be the perfect weapon. -- Victory without casualties! We could avoid war with the Geth altogether. That was the plan, anyway.
_______________________________________________

Shepard: What went wrong with the experiment?

Gavin Archer: David volunteered to interface with the VI to give it genuine consciousness. Theoretically it should have been safe, but... with artificial intelligence there is no such thing as safe.

Shepard: Then you shouldn't have attempted it.

This puts the nail in the coffin for control and synthesis. Over and out.

Just replace David with Shepard in that bolded sentence.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 21 octobre 2012 - 02:55 .

[paxxton]

Davik Kang wrote...

Restrider wrote...
Your mind will be ours.

NO!  I'M the one in control!  Nnnnnghghghghghg....

head hurts.  Throbbing sound.  Distant hum.  Know what to do.

ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:09 .

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Just reading Revelations and

Massive terraforming projects began to transform the lifeless surface of Earth's own moon into a habitable environment.

Woot? Didn't see that.

Wut? Humans of the future don't need atmosphere to breathe...

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Just reading Revelations and

Massive terraforming projects began to transform the lifeless surface of Earth's own moon into a habitable environment.

Woot? Didn't see that.

Wut? Humans of the future don't need atmosphere to breathe...

Haven't read Revelations, but my guess is that it could be similar to Manae.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[Davik Kang]

 Yo guys.  As DD brought up Synthesis again I wonder what you all think of this.  It's something I sent to someone about an idea for Synthesis.
[NOTE may contain spoilers for KOTOR and The Matrix) ]

I had an idea about Mass Effect in general - that it could be considered a prequel to various other sci-fi stories, and which one depends on which ending you get.

The first idea I had like this was regarding KOTOR - if you haven't played KOTOR or KOTOR II then I won't go into it any further. The stories for both those games are really good. The 'morality system (LS/DS) is a bit black and white in game, but the concept of it is explored very deeply (KOTOR aims at questioning the assumption that LS always = good).

But about Synthesis - I assume you've seen The Matrix? Because Synthesis for me seems to be exactly like the Matrix. The capsules in the ME2 ending look a lot like the Matrix tubes, using humans to feed the machines. And the Overlord stuff shows the brother connected to a very Matrix-like machine too. Obviously there's more too it than that, e.g. crucifix pose, but you see my point.

And the ending: note that *even the leaves on the trees* are synthesised. Now ok maybe you could stretch "organics", as the Kid says, to include plant life - but then, what's left that isn't synthesised? Nothing. 
And the way the green lines appear and then disappear in the faces of the Synthesised masses - I think it's trying to tell us something.

That what we're seeing isn't real. It's shown to us like a simulated reality of what people think is happening. Everyone is being synthesised, like in ME2 where everyone's connected to the new Reaper.
Why is it a Matrix-like world? The Reapers didn't build a VR computer. No - I think it's merely that all minds are "connected" as they're being processed and fed to the Reapers. Each civilisation is harvested as their minds and bodies are gathered, allowing the new Reaper access to all their knowledge and memories. This is hinted at by the Reapers, the Kid, and EDI in the ending slideshow.

What I'm saying is that I think the Synth ending is just a vision of the future based on what we already know - just an amalgamation of everyone's thoughts. So they think they're attaining a new level of life, but really are just connected to one static consciousness - everyone, everywhere - as they feed the Reapers.
I think the reason EDI voices the Synthesis ending is because she can't tell the difference (yet). She receives information through computer input/output devices and still does. She is connected to the same minds as the organics.

There are other clues in the ending slides. Two in particular caught my attention. In other endings, a vision of the future occurs at the end of the slides, showing London with or without a Citadel beam. But in Synthesis, we just see a barren world.

Also, many of the Synth slides reflect 'happy' outcomes from the High EMS control and destroy endings. But one doesn't - Jacob and Brynn are still consoling someone. Now Jacob and Brynn represent something in ME3 - they represent the Crucible construction, as we see from the final dialgue with Jacob at the Citadel Huerta Hospital. Could it be that they know what the Crucible is capable of, and have figured out what happened? It's tenuous but there could be something there.

Then there's the Major Coats stuff - still getting my head around that.

What do you think? I know we don't see the ending in the same way, but I think these interpretations of the meaning of the ending still work both in IT and a more Literal one. I think the endings are more supposed to be clues rather than exactly what happens.

Any thoughts?

Modifié par Davik Kang, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Just reading Revelations and

Massive terraforming projects began to transform the lifeless surface of Earth's own moon into a habitable environment.

Woot? Didn't see that.

Wut? Humans of the future don't need atmosphere to breathe...

Haven't read Revelations, but my guess is that it could be similar to Manae.

It's Mass Effect: Revelation.  Btw, I'm kidding with the "humans breathe without atmosphere" thing.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:12 .

[demersel]

And I remember times, when we were afraid that Mass Effect is getting dombed down and too action oriented. What action?? It's a ****ing puzzle!

[Davik Kang]

 

demersel wrote...And I remember times, when we were afraid that Mass Effect is getting dombed down and too action oriented. What action?? It's a ****ing puzzle!

I solved the puzzle.

Hrothdane wrote..."Davik Kang's hilarious post"

Hilarious?

I may need to make a thread for it.  The truth must out.  Too much at stake.  Too many lives could be lost if I don't act.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

And I remember times, when we were afraid that Mass Effect is getting dombed down and too action oriented. What action?? It's a ****ing puzzle!

No, it's not. Everything's perfectly clear. For Casey and Mac at least.

[demersel]

Yeah-yeah-yeah. Laugh it up, fuzz-ball.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Just reading Revelations and

Massive terraforming projects began to transform the lifeless surface of Earth's own moon into a habitable environment.

Woot? Didn't see that.

Wut? Humans of the future don't need atmosphere to breathe...

Haven't read Revelations, but my guess is that it could be similar to Manae.

It's Mass Effect: Revelation.  Btw, I'm kidding with the "humans breathe without atmosphere" thing.

true
but still the mission in ME1 doesn't look like that at all.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 21 octobre 2012 - 03:45 .