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[byne]

Simon_Says wrote...

byne wrote...

So.... the Reapers just left the Crucible there?

If it's a trap or could be used to serve the reapers, why not? The work's already been done.

Right, but I'm assuming that if Refuse is literal, so are the other 3, so it wouldnt be a trap.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

 Okay, this is interesting....you know how some of our proof is based on BioWare errors? Well here is a pretty rare one. 


I say space magic is finally proven,  but does it affect anything with IT?

It proves that Liara distributed the capsules before Priority: Earth. Hence reject doesn't seem to have any hope of victory unless the epilogue and stargazer scene are part of the hallucination as well.

Distributing the capsules before Priority: Earth and claiming the Crucible didnt work seems like a stupid move.

How does she know if we fail its because the Crucible didnt work, and not because we never got a chance to use it?

And if she told the future cycles it didnt work, why'd they go ahead and build their own anyways?

Refuse makes no kind of sense.

Yeah, I think that Liara distributed the capsules post-Terra. I think that the remaining fleets poured all their remaining resources into gathering the information for the capsules, and then distributing them before they all were wiped out centuries later.

[Simon_Says]

TJBartlemus wrote...

But what if the Citadel in that time of waiting was closed? Or the Reapers removed it and destroyed it? 

PS. Just noticed this but in the EC, BioWare I believe removed the scene that the Citadel closed w/ the Reapers leaving. Why? Did their plans with Control change?

Hence if it was left attached.

Also... odd.

[UltimateTobi]

Wow, Mark II got closed now. Funny. Good that there's Mark III. Just checking in for short guys 'n gals! Little time in the last time, but good to see Mark III proceeding already... page 151, wow.

Keep speculating!

[estebanus]

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

[paxxton]

UltimateTobi wrote...

Wow, Mark II got closed now. Funny. Good that there's Mark III. Just checking in for short guys 'n gals! Little time in the last time, but good to see Mark III proceeding already... page 151, wow.

Keep speculating!

And 1 warning from Chris Priestly.

[Simon_Says]

[quote]estebanus wrote...

Yeah, I think that Liara distributed the capsules post-Terra. I think that the remaining fleets poured all their remaining resources into gathering the information for the capsules, and then distributing them before they all were wiped out centuries later.[/quote]Yeah, I think that Liara distributed the capsules post-Terra. I think that the remaining fleets poured all their remaining resources into gathering the information for the capsules, and then distributing them before they all were wiped out centuries later.[/quote]
Actually, the point I was making from the video linked was that since when no one survives the cutscene still plays, the capusles must have been sent either before Terra or they were distributed by the remnants of the allied armada/shadow broker network. And there's no evidence to suggest that Liara told anyone but people on the Normandy about the capsules in order to prevent the reapers learning about them.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 août 2012 - 10:50 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

I still think Chris secretly supports IT.

He's the one who started the IT poll on that other forum, after all.

[estebanus]

Simon_Says wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

But what if the Citadel in that time of waiting was closed? Or the Reapers removed it and destroyed it? 

PS. Just noticed this but in the EC, BioWare I believe removed the scene that the Citadel closed w/ the Reapers leaving. Why? Did their plans with Control change?

Hence if it was left attached.

Also... odd.

No, the scene with the citadel closing is still there, I believe. I think I've seen it recently on my last playthrough.

[XanderLav]

Sooo, speaking of easter eggs in Leviathan dlc. 5$ on one of them(assuming there are few) will be a reference to Doctor Who. Maybe we'll see tardis parked somewhere in London.

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

Estebanus, the answer is obvious. IT is true.

[TSA_383]

Samtheman63 wrote...

has IT been confirmed yet?

Not formally, no.
I imagine Leviathan will add further nudging in that direction though...

Trollgunner wrote...

No one wants to show me Vancouver's secrets :<

 
Well you didn't accept me on origin 
You missed me demonstrating why demolishers are just factually superior to everything:

paxxton wrote...

There's also UNIT, RSDT and BA.

Which are pretty rubbish.
Except BA, I don't even know what that is apart from a slightly overpriced british airline... 

Trollgunner wrote...

Btw, does anyone still thinks, that the whole sequence after you got hit by Harby never happend? I got convinced in that, when someone delivered a combined picture of conduit and RGB room.

 
It's either not happening, or it's an overlay of reality.

What to my mind might make it more an overlay of reality is the "Wake up" when you arrive in the decision chamber. It could be that harbinger gets you back on your feet to do something with the conduit at the end...

[TJBartlemus]

estebanus wrote...

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

I guess he tolerated the offtopicness until the Leviathan announcement, and now that it's here he expects us to be on full speculation mode. Sad thing is...there's not much to speculate on. (Unless you look at the official thread of WNT ofcourse....)

[estebanus]

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

I still think Chris secretly supports IT.

He's the one who started the IT poll on that other forum, after all.

Yeah, I'm also starting to lean against that idea. I mean, if Bioware actually intended IT, it would make sense to have someone like Priestly make sure that we're speculating when there's stuff to speculate.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

I wanna know what happened to Shepard in the Reject ending.

I mean, she didnt die. She was just chillin in the decision room.

Did anyone come pick her up?

Did she tell anyone that she had a chance to end it and chose not to?

As she saw the galaxy crumble around her, did she ever regret being an idiot?

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?

Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!

Estebanus, the answer is obvious. IT is true.

Conspicuous consumption. Nothing is true until the "word of god" confirms it. In this case, god is Bioware.

[TSA_383]

estebanus wrote...
Conspicuous consumption. Nothing is true until the "word of god" confirms it. In this case, god is Bioware.

Why do I sense a ritualistic sacrifice imminent?

Modifié par TSA_383, 03 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[Simon_Says]

TSA_383 wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Btw, does anyone still thinks, that the whole sequence after you got hit by Harby never happend? I got convinced in that, when someone delivered a combined picture of conduit and RGB room.

 
It's either not happening, or it's an overlay of reality.

What to my mind might make it more an overlay of reality is the "Wake up" when you arrive in the decision chamber. It could be that harbinger gets you back on your feet to do something with the conduit at the end...

To repeat what I've said before: I think the beam structures look more like the prothean beacons from ME1 than any mass relay device we've encountered. Long, slender, beam of light... This would make the idea that both the beam shuffle and the crucible room are overlays of reality very likely in my opinion.

It would also explain how/why Shepard gets 'thrown' into the control panel corridor. He was lifted and then thrown just like the beacon in ME1. And actually, come to think of it, the control panel corridor could be another overlay of reality, except Shepard is walking away from the beam, hence why it goes 'uphill'. Might even sorta explain why Anderson is up there and not down by the entry point as he should be, if Anderson is the real deal and is inside the same hallucination as Shepard.

[Simon_Says]

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

Uh.. how could Liara tell them when she's dead?

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

I wanna know what happened to Shepard in the Reject ending.

I mean, she didnt die. She was just chillin in the decision room.

Did anyone come pick her up?

Did she tell anyone that she had a chance to end it and chose not to?

As she saw the galaxy crumble around her, did she ever regret being an idiot?

You see, this reminds me a lot of what I was saying pre ME3. Shepard was not fighting only for this cycle, or those that were. S/he was fighting for every cycle to come. In refusal, she sacrificed her entire cycle to ensure that the reapers die without having to force a decision on the galaxy. S/he relied on Liara to do the rest, and true enough, Liara turns out to be the true vanquisher of the reapers after all. So no, I don't think Shepard regretted his/her decision. Does s/he ever?

But, I do think that she slowly bled to death in the decision chamber.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

There's also UNIT, RSDT and BA.

Which are pretty rubbish.
Except BA, I don't even know what that is apart from a slightly overpriced british airline... 

At least take your time to read them.
 
UNIT is highly technical in nature. And the UNIT thread discusses an analogy to Windows PCs.
 
I admit that RSDT is more fun than real but still it's pretty interesting.
 
BA? Well, you'll have to check out the  link in my sig.

[estebanus]

Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

Uh.. how could Liara tell them when she's dead?

Because she isn't? I believe the Normandy escaped the battle.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

Uh.. how could Liara tell them when she's dead?

Because she isn't? I believe the Normandy escaped the battle.

What if she dies during the beam run?

[Simon_Says]

estebanus wrote...

Simon_Says wrote...

estebanus wrote...

@Simon Well, I don't think Liara told the fleets her idea pre-terra, but I think that she did tell them after the battle was lost, and the retreating remnants regrouped somewhere relatively safe before devoting the rest of their available resources to help Liara's project.

Uh.. how could Liara tell them when she's dead?

Because she isn't? I believe the Normandy escaped the battle.

Ah so you belive the beam run was also part of the hallucination.

Because if it was real, she can get toasted.

I for one am loathe to attribute anything as a dream sequence unless it's absolutely required to make sense of things. Shepard should die if they were on the Citadel, and yet wakes up in London rubble. So Shep was in a dream during the control panel and crucible room scenes. The beam run, beam shuffle, scenes in space, the crucible firing, the epilogues, and the garden world I think can all be attributed as actually happening/happened, hence I accept them as such.

Modifié par Simon_Says, 03 août 2012 - 11:16 .