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[AresKeith]

ME3 had some good parts, others were bad writing

The Cerberus Coup mission felt like a filler, the Earth mission was terrible

[estebanus]

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 
If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.
Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

ME- great writing
ME2- great writing
ME3 and DLC's untill the "Literal ending"- great writing 
(At least my game experiences)

I vehemently disagree, along with ME2's main sory being great writing.

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 

If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.

Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

I disliked the Journal and subquest system. Seems like a huge step backward in comparison to ME2.

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:10 .

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 

If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.

Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

So you're telling me that Drew Karpyshin was the only reason that ME1 & 2 had great stories? I doubt that greatly. Casey worked on KOTOR. They both worked on ME1 & 2. I find it hard to believe that they both suck. Also, I'm pretty sure that Casey is the main reason that Mass Effect even EXISTS in the first place.

[paxxton]

No one likes my artistic integrity on the last page?

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:11 .

[Bill Casey]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Those two guys have largely been in hiding ever since the ending. Good luck getting them to say anything. They probably don't even give a damn about the IT.

Oh they better.

It's the only way to salvage this mess that is the litteral endings.

+1

Currently on Grissom Academy. Interesting datapad I guess. Why indoctrinate Shepard? As if we don't know already but...

Vital retrieval subject due to high-level biotic abilities paired with high leadership testing scores. Considered prime candidate for indoctrination and high-level enhancements for subsequent long-term infiltration relocation.

Saren/TIM's implants anyone?

More like those implants we see on Mr. Centurion on Mars.

Long term infiltration relocation suggests neither...
It's more like Shepard...

[401 Kill]

Oh come on, the majority of the fans who played Mass Effect 3 hated the original endings. They have NOT fixed a single thing, the fact that we are still going on about the endings speaks volumes.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 
If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.
Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

ME- great writing
ME2- great writing
ME3 and DLC's untill the "Literal ending"- great writing 
(At least my game experiences)

I vehemently disagree, along with ME2's main sory being great writing.

I disagree with your disagreement. Until the ending of ME3, the whole series was writing either writing gold or writing platinum.

[AresKeith]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 

If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.

Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

So you're telling me that Drew Karpyshin was the only reason that ME1 & 2 had great stories? I doubt that greatly. Casey worked on KOTOR. They both worked on ME1 & 2. I find it hard to believe that they both suck. Also, I'm pretty sure that Casey is the main reason that Mass Effect even EXISTS in the first place.

The real reason was Bioware's Narrative Director during ME1 and ME2

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

Oh come on, the majority of the fans who played Mass Effect 3 hated the original endings. They have NOT fixed a single thing, the fact that we are still going on about the endings speaks volumes.

But we talk about it because we see its value.

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

No one likes my artistic integrity on the last page?

Sorry I have not seen it. The phrase "artistic integrity" is tainted, so I am assuming that is a joke;).

[Restrider]

I know, I look like some spamming troll right now, but it someone has to make the hard decisions:

Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the eigth poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the ninth poll and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!
I also made another survey on a totally unrelated topic that still needs to be resolved.

And please think about a way to incorporate Anderson's behaviour in London and the datapad hinting that the beam is a huge con into one of the IT's Top Ten points. I'd also appreciate it, if you could provide me with links.

I'm out.

Modifié par Restrider, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:55 .

[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 
If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.
Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

ME- great writing
ME2- great writing
ME3 and DLC's untill the "Literal ending"- great writing 
(At least my game experiences)

That was my experience too. And so many others. Plus Mac Walters did Arrival. Did he forget about it?

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No one likes my artistic integrity on the last page?

Sorry I have not seen it. The phrase "artistic integrity" is tainted, so I am assuming that is a joke;).

I made art!

Modifié par paxxton, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:17 .

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Oh come on, the majority of the fans who played Mass Effect 3 hated the original endings. They have NOT fixed a single thing, the fact that we are still going on about the endings speaks volumes.

But we talk about it because we see its value.

It definitely has a major amount of potential.

[BansheeOwnage]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Those two guys have largely been in hiding ever since the ending. Good luck getting them to say anything. They probably don't even give a damn about the IT.

Oh they better.

It's the only way to salvage this mess that is the litteral endings.

They already did for the majority of people.

Not the impression I'm getting.

Because the people who are satisfied don't need to go ahead and **** and moan about it.
The people who raged about the ending already were a minority in itself. A majority of the hardcore fanbase yes, but in a total perspective still a minority.
Along comes the EC. Many, probably most, are now satisfied with the endings, those that are easily pacified. The smart ones, those that see what kinda bullcrap the EC actually is, of course keeep on ranting, and naturally, they're louder than those that are satisfied. The minority within the the minority is still unsatisfied, and rightfully so.

I get the "vocal minority" thing. But the majority of people were definitely not satisfied with the original endings. Hell, there were a lot of people who hadn't even played it that thought it sucked. Such is the internet.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 

If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.

Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

So you're telling me that Drew Karpyshin was the only reason that ME1 & 2 had great stories? I doubt that greatly. Casey worked on KOTOR. They both worked on ME1 & 2. I find it hard to believe that they both suck. Also, I'm pretty sure that Casey is the main reason that Mass Effect even EXISTS in the first place.

I never said that Casey sucks as a director. I'm saying that he sucks as a writer.
Look, I loved ME2, and I liked ME3. ME2 because of the well-made characters, ME3 because of the Tuchanka and Rannoch storylines.
Casey Hudson is an excellent director, and I can't imagine Mass Effect without him, but that's all he's really good at. A mathematical gnius has nothing to o with the lingual department after all, and vice-versa.

[Restrider]

I have to say that ME 2 main plot was not the best of the whole tilogy.
Yet, the main plot is not what ME 2 is about.
ME 2 expands the universe vastly and shows us a lot of new places and deepens already known characters and introduces new characters adequately. That's what made ME 2 great.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

I have to say that ME 2 main plot was not the best of the whole tilogy.
Yet, the main plot is not what ME 2 is about.
ME 2 expands the universe vastly and shows us a lot of new places and deepens already known characters and introduces new characters adequately. That's what made ME 2 great.

Namely, immersion.

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Oh come on, the majority of the fans who played Mass Effect 3 hated the original endings. They have NOT fixed a single thing, the fact that we are still going on about the endings speaks volumes.

But we talk about it because we see its value.

I didn't discard you because I knew your value.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Those two guys have largely been in hiding ever since the ending. Good luck getting them to say anything. They probably don't even give a damn about the IT.

Oh they better.

It's the only way to salvage this mess that is the litteral endings.

They already did for the majority of people.

Not the impression I'm getting.

Because the people who are satisfied don't need to go ahead and **** and moan about it.
The people who raged about the ending already were a minority in itself. A majority of the hardcore fanbase yes, but in a total perspective still a minority.
Along comes the EC. Many, probably most, are now satisfied with the endings, those that are easily pacified. The smart ones, those that see what kinda bullcrap the EC actually is, of course keeep on ranting, and naturally, they're louder than those that are satisfied. The minority within the the minority is still unsatisfied, and rightfully so.

I get the "vocal minority" thing. But the majority of people were definitely not satisfied with the original endings. Hell, there were a lot of people who hadn't even played it that thought it sucked. Such is the internet.

There were over 1 million people who played Mass Effect, the total amount of peole who started rebelling about the ending is about 100.000 people. That is very far away from most people.
Look, the anti-enders have it right, I'm not disputing that. It's also tre that the entire BSN went up against the endings, but these people are the hardcore fans, those, that care about Mass Effect. Most people probably said "meh, good game, bad ending" because they had little to no emtional attachment to the franchise.

Modifié par estebanus, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .

[paxxton]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Oh come on, the majority of the fans who played Mass Effect 3 hated the original endings. They have NOT fixed a single thing, the fact that we are still going on about the endings speaks volumes.

But we talk about it because we see its value.

I didn't discard you because I knew your value.

TIM?

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

No one likes my artistic integrity on the last page?

Sorry I have not seen it. The phrase "artistic integrity" is tainted, so I am assuming that is a joke;).

I made art!
*snip*

Silly Harbinger, he even kept that smile during the Beam run!

[estebanus]

Restrider wrote...

I have to say that ME 2 main plot was not the best of the whole tilogy.
Yet, the main plot is not what ME 2 is about.
ME 2 expands the universe vastly and shows us a lot of new places and deepens already known characters and introduces new characters adequately. That's what made ME 2 great.

Exactly. It was character-based, not story-based.

[estebanus]

Dwailing wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Well of course not if it wasn't their intention. If it was, you can bet they care about it a lot. I hope literal is wrong just because synthesis is an appauling crime.

Assuming if they did, of course. However, then they'd have said something wouldn't they?

If it was their intention: Why spoil the surprise? 
If it wasn't, I seriously doubt their ability to write even the simplest of stories. (Unless of course they go with "The Puzzle Theory", they do claim to take ideas from fans right:lol:?

Oh yeah, I can totally see how much they cared about the fans' demands after experiencing the game myself.
Has it ever ocurred to you that both Casey and Walters aren't good writers? I mean, the main storyline (AKA the crucible plot) totally gave that away.

ME- great writing
ME2- great writing
ME3 and DLC's untill the "Literal ending"- great writing 
(At least my game experiences)

I vehemently disagree, along with ME2's main sory being great writing.

I disagree with your disagreement. Until the ending of ME3, the whole series was writing either writing gold or writing platinum.

How can a Macguffin be seen as great writing? A weapon that up until the ending essentially is a long-lost reaper-off button?

EDIT: top. Meh.

Modifié par estebanus, 21 octobre 2012 - 10:26 .