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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
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#3777
Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:02
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Starchild: I control the reapers
Shep: and the reapers, who you control, were controlling TIM?
Starchild: Yeah
Shep: So you were trying to kill me 3 minutes ago?
Starchild: Yeah but you connected a battery to the citadel, so we're are cool now. On a separate note, you know whats awesome? Merging humans and synthetics, you should totally do that!
Shep: and the reapers, who you control, were controlling TIM?
Starchild: Yeah
Shep: So you were trying to kill me 3 minutes ago?
Starchild: Yeah but you connected a battery to the citadel, so we're are cool now. On a separate note, you know whats awesome? Merging humans and synthetics, you should totally do that!
#3778
Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:03
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I like to apply scientific method here. Approximately we can deduce that IT is true based on the evidence and its interpretation. But there's still a chance it's not.estebanus wrote...
Conspicuous consumption. Nothing is true until the "word of god" confirms it. In this case, god is Bioware.paxxton wrote...
Estebanus, the answer is obvious. IT is true.estebanus wrote...
I find it odd that Chris apparently cares so much for the IT thread. Why would he care what we discuss?
Also: The thread isn't locked yet! YAY!
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:23
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Oh and I think if we want to go on the threads out side IT, we go to the Leviathan threads because the other threads aren't really welcoming us ITers, so lay low when you go out side this thread.
I don't get that. IT is ingenius. It's the biggest mind bend in ages as far as I can think regarding games, TV, literature, movies that I've come across. I guess people just want things to be simple and tied into a perfect bow and not feel like they made a choice where they were manipulated into it because they wanted the best option, which was kind of a giveaway about control and synthesis. They essentially had elements of all is well and perfect with evil and insane machines that are bent on destroying civilizations and have done so for millions of years.
My question then is what is so special here about me and uniting our galaxy against you that has never happened in the billions of harvestings you've done before? Never ever? We're that special? Pffft. No way. And with destroy being the only option that obliterates you and lays all this guilt on me regarding the relays and destroying geth and edi and threatens to kill me where the others promise some kind of eternal existence, well, that's a big red flag to me. It's simply saying all is well if you choose to not destroy us even though we've promised to destroy you. But all is not well if you do destroy us, despite that we're gonna destroy you anyway. Just more of that whacky reaper logic. And coming to me as some innocent child that I felt guilt over seeing obliterated in a shuttled doesn't really help your cause. I'm thinking you want to look all innocent and give me trust and hope in you but really you best appear as something else truer to what you really are if you want me to trust you because I know you're a lie and you're picking the image that has haunted me since Reaper arrival then you're telling me about these options that are all roses and pie in the sky where destroy is bad, bad, bad yet it is the only gaurantee that you're gone.
Oh yeah, let me trust in that. Looks a little too good to be true and coming from the most guilt ridden image of my psyche since it's been all on me from day one of ME1 to stop this all I can say is trusting that all is well if I don't destroy you (even if it is only in my mind) as putting a lot of faith in the thing that has meant to kill from it's birth and has done so for millions of years and has even rigged the universe with the relays and citadel so it's easier for them. And this is after seeing what happened to Saren when he chose synthesis and watching Tim choose or want control. No way this race lets me control them.
Am I the only one that's gone through that reasoning? It's so structured in a way that it works against the SC. The SC was really the first clue. An image that has haunted me is essentially goading me into anything but destroy when the only thing I know for sure is destroy is the only true option. I've got Javick to remind me.
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:27
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Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:31
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Nothing out of ordinary IMO but if someone could find a video in which Shepard refuses the examination, it will shed more light on what happens here.TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:34
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It also changes with paraon/renegade alignment:paxxton wrote...
Nothing out of ordinary IMO but if someone could find a video in which Shepard refuses the examination, it will shed more light on what happens here.TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
"A little more optimism... and a little less realism, could help"
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:39
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TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
That scene came to my mind when the SC said all synthetic life would die and even shep had synthetics in her (femshep here). And then I go back to IT and that if you're indoctrinating or trying to indoctrinate someone, my guess is that they know what you know and use it against you. They would have to know what you know if they're going to truly manipulate you without you knowing it. So you know you have synthetics in your body and all synthetics die appealing to you will to live which has been proven to be stronger than this reaper ever fathomed. Back to ME2 it tried to tell shep she was basically already dead. ME3, not so. Not yet. But they know she fears it if Javick could know by touching her. So they use it against her every chance they get.
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:44
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TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
That scene did strike me as weird at first but then I thought about from the POV of someone new to the series. It makes sense to give some background on how Shepard was brought back from the dead to someone who hasn’t played ME2. However the scene does feel a bit weird to me even with that explanation.
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:45
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"Little sign of rejection", "Your system detects the implants as foreign bodies". Of course you can say it's fishy but it doesn't seem so. Could BioWare have put it as a hint of Reaper tech inside Shepard's body? Of course - it's still a work of fiction and such a hint could be interesting even though it's against common sense (implants are viewed by human body as foreign bodies).TSA_383 wrote...
It also changes with paraon/renegade alignment:paxxton wrote...
Nothing out of ordinary IMO but if someone could find a video in which Shepard refuses the examination, it will shed more light on what happens here.TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
"A little more optimism... and a little less realism, could help"
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#3786
Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:49
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TSA_383 wrote...
It also changes with paraon/renegade alignment:paxxton wrote...
Nothing out of ordinary IMO but if someone could find a video in which Shepard refuses the examination, it will shed more light on what happens here.TSA_383 wrote...
Okay, quick question:
What was the point in this scene? Am I the only one that found it a little.... odd?
"A little more optimism... and a little less realism, could help"
Not necessarily space magic or a clue, as for example: your body's electrical resistance depends on your emotional state, which comes from what the kind of hormones run through your body at that time.
Could be the same here.
But then again, it could also hint towards something...
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:50
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Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:54
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Oh wait, they were the fist to finish the crucible so that would make them special. Reapers would have to change their gameplan. They never thought such a thing could happen but now there's a death machine that could kill them.
I really think the true catalyst is shepard. I've always thought that from the minute the concept was introduced. Perhaps because shep was the one who knew before they came. Previously, nobody knew they were coming unless they were indoctrinated along with way like saren. Saren found out but was along the way fear took over and became indoctrinated. Shep knew and came forward with it, didn't hide it out of fear. I don't think the reapers have come up against that before. Blindsiding was their best play. But too many knew though they doubted it. Word had already spread throughout the galaxy. Remember how it was always in various announcements in ME2 and even ME3 I think. You could hear them call shep a hero and mention the reapers. Then you could hear them call shep disgraced and mention the reapers. Am I remembering this correctly?
Taking the citadel right off the bat would have probably forced everyone to get over their pettiness because that's a major war strategy maneuver, like an assault on the castle of a king.
I really think the true catalyst is shepard. I've always thought that from the minute the concept was introduced. Perhaps because shep was the one who knew before they came. Previously, nobody knew they were coming unless they were indoctrinated along with way like saren. Saren found out but was along the way fear took over and became indoctrinated. Shep knew and came forward with it, didn't hide it out of fear. I don't think the reapers have come up against that before. Blindsiding was their best play. But too many knew though they doubted it. Word had already spread throughout the galaxy. Remember how it was always in various announcements in ME2 and even ME3 I think. You could hear them call shep a hero and mention the reapers. Then you could hear them call shep disgraced and mention the reapers. Am I remembering this correctly?
Taking the citadel right off the bat would have probably forced everyone to get over their pettiness because that's a major war strategy maneuver, like an assault on the castle of a king.
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:55
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Can't blame you.Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
But yes, we've brought it up. Analyzed it. Discussed it. Compared it. Speculated.
All we can say is we have no idea what's going on there but it's spooky. That it coincides with the wake up call from Anderson that shouldn't be possible is suggestive to us, but not conclusive in any way.
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:56
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The EC introduced that scene with the sound. It's almost like if Shepard was revived to stand up and go. According to IT it's Shepard's mind so what is the symbolism of him losing consciousness while traveling with the beam?Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
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Posté 03 août 2012 - 11:58
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Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
I'm new to the thread so thanks for posting this.
It's like a wake up call. wake up into the illusion while you're out cold on the planet. Got lots to show you if we're going to indoctrinate you.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:02
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There was also speculation that Shepard is revived by Harbinger the same way Saren was by Sovereign. This is justifiable because Shepard has some implants from when he was rebuilt by Cerberus. We don't know but they might be Reaper tech.starlitegirlx wrote...
Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
I'm new to the thread so thanks for posting this.
It's like a wake up call. wake up into the illusion while you're out cold on the planet. Got lots to show you if we're going to indoctrinate you.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:07
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paxxton wrote...
There was also speculation that Shepard is revived by Harbinger the same way Saren was by Sovereign. This is justifiable because Shepard has some implants from when he was rebuilt by Cerberus. We don't know but they might be Reaper tech.starlitegirlx wrote...
Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
I'm new to the thread so thanks for posting this.
It's like a wake up call. wake up into the illusion while you're out cold on the planet. Got lots to show you if we're going to indoctrinate you.
Oh, that's a good one two. Either way, looks a bit IT to me. Remember that Miranda said she never dealt with so many black boxes on a project before. I keep thinking what were all those things she wasn't allowed to know? Tim was already indoctrinated and probably acting on some level as an indoctrinated person. So those black boxes could have easily been reaper tech or something like that.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:14
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But how would you explain the fact that TIM sponsored the Suicide Mission to defeat the Collectors working for the Reapers? Maybe his task was to lure Shepard into the Collector Base to be captured and after the hidden plan backfired (Shepard made the Proto-Reaper collapse) he tried to trick him by suggesting to leave the base intact so that the Reaper could still have been completed.starlitegirlx wrote...
paxxton wrote...
There was also speculation that Shepard is revived by Harbinger the same way Saren was by Sovereign. This is justifiable because Shepard has some implants from when he was rebuilt by Cerberus. We don't know but they might be Reaper tech.starlitegirlx wrote...
Kizzamity wrote...
Forgive me if this has been mentioned already, but has anyone noticed that when Shepard enters the Citadel through the beam something a little strange happens. When he hears Anderson on his radio and his eyes open, there's a strange noise.
I've copied the video URL a few seconds before it happens. I noticed this when I played the extended cut for the first time and though it looks really suspicious. Like he's being controlled to wake up.
Again, sorry if this has been brought up before. I haven't looked through ever post on this thread :$
I'm new to the thread so thanks for posting this.
It's like a wake up call. wake up into the illusion while you're out cold on the planet. Got lots to show you if we're going to indoctrinate you.
Oh, that's a good one two. Either way, looks a bit IT to me. Remember that Miranda said she never dealt with so many black boxes on a project before. I keep thinking what were all those things she wasn't allowed to know? Tim was already indoctrinated and probably acting on some level as an indoctrinated person. So those black boxes could have easily been reaper tech or something like that.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:20
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TIM wasn't completely indoctrinated after the events of Evolution. It's onyl when he decided to set up a protoreaper corpse next to his office that he went off the deep end.paxxton wrote...
But how would you explain the fact that TIM sponsored the Suicide Mission to defeat the Collectors working for the Reapers? Maybe his task was to lure Shepard into the Collector Base to be captured and after the hidden plan backfired (Shepard made the Proto-Reaper collapse) he tried to trick him by suggesting to leave the base intact so that the Reaper could still have been completed.
I think for the majority of ME2 TIM was trying to fight the reapers. Of course, Neitzche ensued.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:32
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Yes, I understand that it looks like this. But what if his indoctrination was more advanced than we thought and he was only pretending to help Shepard.Simon_Says wrote...
TIM wasn't completely indoctrinated after the events of Evolution. It's onyl when he decided to set up a protoreaper corpse next to his office that he went off the deep end.paxxton wrote...
But how would you explain the fact that TIM sponsored the Suicide Mission to defeat the Collectors working for the Reapers? Maybe his task was to lure Shepard into the Collector Base to be captured and after the hidden plan backfired (Shepard made the Proto-Reaper collapse) he tried to trick him by suggesting to leave the base intact so that the Reaper could still have been completed.
I think for the majority of ME2 TIM was trying to fight the reapers. Of course, Neitzche ensued.
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:39
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Hey,I just heard that ign say that the new dlc,will change the ending,but they did not say to what extent,was this already discussed?
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Posté 04 août 2012 - 12:40
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Yeah, really exciting. Though I have to watch out for potential spoilers crawling everywhere.munnellyladt wrote...
Hey,I just heard that ign say that the new dlc,will change the ending,but they did not say to what extent,was this already discussed?
