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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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TJBartlemus

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401 Kill wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

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BSN is slowly becoming indoctrinated! I'm glad I'm safe because of my recent move to Alaska. That was a long drive...


You trolling me? :blink:

I have no idea what you mean:whistle:.

(Just to be clear, you said shared memories, so I stated something that I remembered you did, but stated that it was something I did (like ME2) to add to the whole "Shared Memories". I hope I have not offended you by this:unsure:, I don't know how to comprehend your statement).


It was a joke. :lol:

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401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Leviathan made no change to the ending

It did not Change the endings, but added to it. Maybe with all of the DLC's...


does that mean we can look forward to the final ending?  Such as the breath scene is only the first part of the final ending sequence?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...
BSN is slowly becoming indoctrinated! I'm glad I'm safe because of my recent move to Alaska. That was a long drive...

You trolling me? :blink:

I have no idea what you mean:whistle:.
(Just to be clear, you said shared memories, so I stated something that I remembered you did, but stated that it was something I did (like ME2) to add to the whole "Shared Memories". I hope I have not offended you by this:unsure:, I don't know how to comprehend your statement).

It was a joke. :lol:.

Okay then:D, it's hard to communicate emotion with words over the Internet. Did I at least get the details right:wizard:?

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Leviathan made no change to the ending

It did not Change the endings, but added to it. Maybe with all of the DLC's...


does that mean we can look forward to the final ending?  Such as the breath scene is only the first part of the final ending sequence?

I hope so, maybe the puzzle theory could come into play here as well. Why put the breath scene there in the first place, but leave it unexplained? An open ended ending (and one that failed) does not really fit with Mass Effect, at least one with no closure whatsoever.

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One of the possible outcomes I fear is that we get nothing....  and then ME4 is set far into the next Cycle, with humanity somehow having survived and clawed back into the stars from one more colonies that had devolved into the Stone Age for a time.  No explanation is given as to where the Reapers went or what choice Shepard made, and, no, there are no glowy green trees or people around.  Eventually, by Mass Effect 6 or 7, we find out hints that Shepard was the last cycle's avatar and that the Reapers did something awful to him.  And then that's it.

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

One of the possible outcomes I fear is that we get nothing....  and then ME4 is set far into the next Cycle, with humanity somehow having survived and clawed back into the stars from one more colonies that had devolved into the Stone Age for a time.  No explanation is given as to where the Reapers went or what choice Shepard made, and, no, there are no glowy green trees or people around.  Eventually, by Mass Effect 6 or 7, we find out hints that Shepard was the last cycle's avatar and that the Reapers did something awful to him.  And then that's it.

If this happens, I would feel betrayed. Why even bother with ME1,2,3 if it doesn't even matter. Sometimes the worst thing to do is nothing at all, and that holds true for this game.

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@Ithurael

I think too many confuse IT with indoctrination in the endings.

Indoctrination/Hallucination still occurs in other theories. There are many variations that place the beginning/end, location, and extent of indoctrination in such different ways that the consequences of what happens are radically different.

Was it all a hallucination? Is Shepard on the Citadel hallucinating? Is he in front of the beam hallucinating? What are the potential consequences of each scenario? Are the consequences of the decision only affecting Shepard or are there real world consequences? Was the crucible legit or a trap? Can the Reapers be beaten at all?

I did not spend hundreds of hours and dollars to have that many unanswered questions left

I get why some people disagree though. They like it vague or think they solved the puzzle and already knows what happened. I think many others dont find that acceptable.

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https://twitter.com/...223755039670273
Somebody needs to find out what was asked.

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TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...223755039670273
Somebody needs to find out what was asked.



They were recording the panel apparently and will be posting it some time this week so we'll find out then I suppose. I find it odd though that nothing has come up on the forums yet, I find it hard to believe that no one from BSN was there.

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Said this the other day.

What we know after Mars mission:
Reapers wrecking shop. Crucible possible super weapon or trap. TIM is indoctrinated. Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard too.

What we know at the end of ME3:
Reapers wrecking shop. Crucible is possible super weapon or trap. TIM is indoctrinated. Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard too.


Basically, nothing important is explained in the rest of the game,


making the rest of the game basicallypointless story telling wise.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 22 octobre 2012 - 03:53 .


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Is it me and my own connection or is the ME servers a bit overloaded? Been trying to play a round or three of mp but keep getting server's unavailable. Good thing I did the weekend challenge yesterday

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TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...223755039670273
Somebody needs to find out what was asked.


"derp, what kind of QA tools do you use?"

Remember that guy from paxeast? Wanted to drop kick him

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401 Kill wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

One of the possible outcomes I fear is that we get nothing....  and then ME4 is set far into the next Cycle, with humanity somehow having survived and clawed back into the stars from one more colonies that had devolved into the Stone Age for a time.  No explanation is given as to where the Reapers went or what choice Shepard made, and, no, there are no glowy green trees or people around.  Eventually, by Mass Effect 6 or 7, we find out hints that Shepard was the last cycle's avatar and that the Reapers did something awful to him.  And then that's it.

If this happens, I would feel betrayed. Why even bother with ME1,2,3 if it doesn't even matter. Sometimes the worst thing to do is nothing at all, and that holds true for this game.


Worse yet, the Reapers could go all Xenogears on us.  We find out in ME7 that humanity was in fact repopulated by the Reapers, and with the simple flip of a switch humans can be turned into husks and worse.... -except for those individuals with the genetic markers the Reapers are looking for (re: those resistant to indoctrination and mind control?).

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Lol interesting. Though I think what they're doing is intentional to some degree. By leaving it open ended the comics and books can continue a part of Shepard's story on the lead up to ME 4. (Trying to be optimistic)

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Zerebus...

Please no

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Zerebus...

Please no


I know, right?!?!

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ZerebusPrime wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Zerebus...

Please no


I know, right?!?!



Right...:(  Very likely, actually. 

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Said this the other day.

What we know after Mars mission:
Reapers wrecking shop. Crucible possible super weapon or trap. TIM is indoctrinated. Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard too.

What we know at the end of ME3:
Reapers wrecking shop. Crucible is possible super weapon or trap. TIM is indoctrinated. Reapers are trying to indoctrinate Shepard too.


Basically, nothing important is explained in the rest of the game,


making the rest of the game basicallypointless story telling wise.


Nah, there is one important difference between the two.

After Mars mission the Galaxy is divided with no hope of survival, at end of game Galaxy is united with a slight chance of survival.

Still it is curious that so my things remain constant, almost like the war is only beginning :whistle:

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i just noticed something kinda cool- i'm sure you guys have picked up on this, but i figured i'd throw my two cents out:

in the dream sequences, if you leave the borders of the dream, a cinematic pops up where it redirects shepard and the redirection *always* ends with the sound of a reaper. i just did this a few times, and it gives the impression of a reaper being mad at you for trying to avoid the boy and leave the dream. i thought this was interesting and it seems consistent with theory that these dreams are indoctrination attempts.

i mean, it's easy enough to just redirect shepard without adding a reaper noise every time you try to leave the dream, right?


'Ah-hah, I think you must have misheard. I said: "Stanley went throught the RED door."'
:7

As for bad writing, generally discussed; I guess most of us, here, are putting our hope in any apparent such being intentional and put there to clue us in: the writers writing the reapers as bad writers, so to speak -- kind of meta. :P

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^
this is funny

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I can't believe barely anything was said about this: http://social.biowar...7/1519#14610101

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As for bad writing, generally discussed; I guess most of us, here, are putting our hope in any apparent such being intentional and put there to clue us in: the writers writing the reapers as bad writers, so to speak -- kind of meta. :P


Unlikely, this was planned from the start. Least how I see it. My personal opinion though. 

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Joker: So you went into the geth consensus? Like, virtual reality?

Shepard: Yeah. It was strange, but I got out all right.

Joker: Did you? I mean, how would you know?

Shepard: How would I know what?

Joker: If you really got out! See, if the geth experience everything virtually, then you could only think you're in the real world. What if this--like, everything you're seeing now--is a simulation?

EDI: Shepard, I can confirm that this is the real world.

Joker: Oh, okay, well that'll solve that. Man, good thing we have an unshackled AI around to tell us what reality is.

EDI: Perhaps I missed some salient information.

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Shepard: Have you heard anything about Earth?

Ashley: We have reports coming all the time on what's going on. Half are wild speculation, and half are probably too optimistic to be true.

Shepard: We have to believe that we can do something.

Ashley: When I thought you were dead, I lost hope. I'm telling you. But when you came back? I was ready to believe anything. I mean, maybe this problem can't be solved by some grunt shooting the bogeyman in the face, but if you think it might help, I'm game.
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Kaidan: Are you flirting with me, Commander? Wait, wait! Don't tell me. Let me live in the illusion.
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Kaidan: I want to kick the Reapers straight to hell. Cerberus, too. People near death say their lives flash before their eyes... The future flashed for me--the anguish, the families, the children... It made me determined to live.
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Shepard: I'll sleep when I'm dead.

Garrus: We both know you need a clear head to win a war. There's no room for mistakes here. You should catch some shut-eye.
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Ashley: I don't know what you are... not since they got their hands on you. Is it really you? Would you even know if they were controlling you somehow?
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Maybe I'm just a high tech AI who thinks it's Commander Shepard.

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It could be ME4 is a continuation of the war but we won't really know till after the citadel dlc. Maybe by doing that one the ending will offer a 5th choice? Or like I said earlier the rest of the breath scene ending?