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[Gwyphon]

I don't know, I feel as if the data pad should be a little more significant. It infers that the beam is involved in indoctrination, then you apparently get indoctrinated at the base of it.
Doesn't really seem like anyone comes back from it at all too. Seems pretty one way, and fully of dead bodies.

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Ladies and Gentlemen,
the results for the eigth poll are out. The list has been updated and I would like to encourage you to participate at the ninth poll and my long-time survey about your choice at your first playthrough. Spread the word!
I also made another survey on a totally unrelated topic that still needs to be resolved.

And please think about a way to incorporate Anderson's behaviour in London and the datapad hinting that the beam is a huge con into one of the IT's Top Ten points. I'd also appreciate it, if you could provide me with links.

The pad says nothing as it's never stated what is meant specifically. It can be very well just a husk factory near the beam.

Btw, consider your post of the lightning on the Geth Dreadnought and later on the Citadel as added to the list. I just have to finish work and I'll update the list.
The Citadel has not that many points and your's clearly is a bigger one that has to be on that list.
Edit: Guess why?

I never said the lighting is anything conclusive, it's just interesting.

[Restrider]

It adds to the weirdness of the Citadel. And as you can see on the list, it could need a few more specific points supporting this weirdness a little bit more in detail.

[BleedingUranium]

Gwyphon wrote...

I don't know, I feel as if the data pad should be a little more significant. It infers that the beam is involved in indoctrination, then you apparently get indoctrinated at the base of it.
Doesn't really seem like anyone comes back from it at all too. Seems pretty one way, and fully of dead bodies.

That, and there are only three things to look at in London. No weapons, mods, or anything except three Datapads. One talks about talking volunteers on a suicide mission in fire trucks as a distraction, and I believe the other is about the Reapers targeting major population centres.

Then there's this one. Sure, you could argue we don't know it's talking about the beam, especially from an in-universe (Watsonian) perspective, but thinking like that you might as well throw out half the things that point to IT. From a writer's (Doyleist) perspective, why put that in there at all?

That line of thinking get you to the point where you're saying we don't know the teenage Hilary from Tiptree that Aeian T'Goni (PTSD Asari) was forced to kill is the same as Joker's sister, because there are probably multiple teenage Hilarys on Tiptree. From a Watsonian perspective, sure, but even thinking for a moment from a Doyleist perspective, it's so obvious they're one and the same.

That's why I hate the ME Wiki people, they won't allow it to be said she was Joker's sister because it's not explicitly stated. They would need an official statement by Bioware that it is her. It gets better. Neaira, Aeian's friend who got turned into a Banshee? The one who has a "medical condition that prevented their relationship from going any further"? That's not good enough evidence she was an Ardat-Yakshi, it could be some other condition.


Sorry for the tangent  Goodnight everyone!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 22 octobre 2012 - 12:26 .

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...223755039670273
Somebody needs to find out what was asked.

"derp, what kind of QA tools do you use?"

Remember that guy from paxeast? Wanted to drop kick him

Is there a video recording from that panel somewhere?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I always thought Vendetta was talking about indoctrination itself. The Reapers being just as much a servant to it as any other indoctrinated being. Or Vendetta's full of crap. Or you're right. Who knows?

Or it's just the foreshadowing most people don't want to accept. They say the Guardian has no foreshadowing whatsoever which is not true if you look at Vendetta, and now Leviathan. On the other hand the Beacon with Vendetta in it makes Reaper noise, and the motives of the Leviathans are unknown. Though that still doesn't remove the foreshadowing, it might have been some sort of Reaper plan all along. Maybe each cycle has some chosen one (again the Matrix reference), and this is their way to control that.

Vendetta has a bunch of problems when you look into what he says and where he is as I did a longer post on a month or two ago. I certainly dont trust that VI.

[demersel]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I always thought Vendetta was talking about indoctrination itself. The Reapers being just as much a servant to it as any other indoctrinated being. Or Vendetta's full of crap. Or you're right. Who knows?

Or it's just the foreshadowing most people don't want to accept. They say the Guardian has no foreshadowing whatsoever which is not true if you look at Vendetta, and now Leviathan. On the other hand the Beacon with Vendetta in it makes Reaper noise, and the motives of the Leviathans are unknown. Though that still doesn't remove the foreshadowing, it might have been some sort of Reaper plan all along. Maybe each cycle has some chosen one (again the Matrix reference), and this is their way to control that.

Vendetta has a bunch of problems when you look into what he says and where he is as I did a longer post on a month or two ago. I certainly dont trust that VI.

If only for a fact that you hear a distinct reaper horn right before you suddenly feel that there is a prothean beacon inside the statue. Tha same horn sound as with a vent boy. 

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I always thought Vendetta was talking about indoctrination itself. The Reapers being just as much a servant to it as any other indoctrinated being. Or Vendetta's full of crap. Or you're right. Who knows?

Or it's just the foreshadowing most people don't want to accept. They say the Guardian has no foreshadowing whatsoever which is not true if you look at Vendetta, and now Leviathan. On the other hand the Beacon with Vendetta in it makes Reaper noise, and the motives of the Leviathans are unknown. Though that still doesn't remove the foreshadowing, it might have been some sort of Reaper plan all along. Maybe each cycle has some chosen one (again the Matrix reference), and this is their way to control that.

Vendetta has a bunch of problems when you look into what he says and where he is as I did a longer post on a month or two ago. I certainly dont trust that VI.

If only for a fact that you hear a distinct reaper horn right before you suddenly feel that there is a prothean beacon inside the statue. Tha same horn sound as with a vent boy.

Uhm no, it's a completely different sound.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I always thought Vendetta was talking about indoctrination itself. The Reapers being just as much a servant to it as any other indoctrinated being. Or Vendetta's full of crap. Or you're right. Who knows?

Or it's just the foreshadowing most people don't want to accept. They say the Guardian has no foreshadowing whatsoever which is not true if you look at Vendetta, and now Leviathan. On the other hand the Beacon with Vendetta in it makes Reaper noise, and the motives of the Leviathans are unknown. Though that still doesn't remove the foreshadowing, it might have been some sort of Reaper plan all along. Maybe each cycle has some chosen one (again the Matrix reference), and this is their way to control that.

Vendetta has a bunch of problems when you look into what he says and where he is as I did a longer post on a month or two ago. I certainly dont trust that VI.

If only for a fact that you hear a distinct reaper horn right before you suddenly feel that there is a prothean beacon inside the statue. Tha same horn sound as with a vent boy.

Uhm no, it's a completely different sound.

But it's a sound. It shouldn't be there.

[CmdrShep80]

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...
While that does make sense, as Paragons would want to help/save everyone, and Renegades will take the safer/more destructive path, what's interesting is that when choosing to save or destroy the Collector base in the very same game, destroying it is Paragon and keeping it is Renegade.

Its almost like we're being buttered up to the notion that 'Paragon =/= best choice'.  And it escalates.

Heretic Geth - either choice has little overall effect.

Collector Base - only has an effect if you rush through ME3 and don't get enough EMS.

Crucible - your choice alters the fabric of reality.

actually if you destroy the heretics you have an easier chance to save both the Quarians and the Geth. If you don't destroy them you have a harder time to save both races. I learned this when I was trying to do so. Luckily I had done everything else needed to save both that I could but if I missed the some of the rest I would have had to choose sides

[CmdrShep80]

 http://m.gamefaqs.co...fect-3/62227771

Geth vs. Quarians
In order to achieve peace between the two races, you need to get 5 to 7 points. These points are based on your ME2 and ME3 decisions. If you have 4 points or below, you cannot achieve peace.

-Rewrote the Heretics (0 points)
-Destroyed the Heretics (+2 points)
-Tali is NOT exiled (+2 points)
-Tali has been exiled/You did not do the Loyalty Mission (0 points)
-Resolved Legion/Tali conflict either using the Paragon or Renegade options (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Save the Admiral on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-N7 Mission: Destroy Geth Squadron on Rannoch in ME3 (+1 point)
-Completed Legion's Mission in ME3 (or no peace)

[CmdrShep80]

If while I'm at work someone can take the time to analyze why destroying the heretics is the better option than letting them be rewritten and/or taint the consensus I'd appreciate it.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

I always thought Vendetta was talking about indoctrination itself. The Reapers being just as much a servant to it as any other indoctrinated being. Or Vendetta's full of crap. Or you're right. Who knows?

Or it's just the foreshadowing most people don't want to accept. They say the Guardian has no foreshadowing whatsoever which is not true if you look at Vendetta, and now Leviathan. On the other hand the Beacon with Vendetta in it makes Reaper noise, and the motives of the Leviathans are unknown. Though that still doesn't remove the foreshadowing, it might have been some sort of Reaper plan all along. Maybe each cycle has some chosen one (again the Matrix reference), and this is their way to control that.

Vendetta has a bunch of problems when you look into what he says and where he is as I did a longer post on a month or two ago. I certainly dont trust that VI.

If only for a fact that you hear a distinct reaper horn right before you suddenly feel that there is a prothean beacon inside the statue. Tha same horn sound as with a vent boy.

Uhm no, it's a completely different sound.

But it's a sound. It shouldn't be there.

true true

[paxxton]

The thread's moving at supersonic speed today.

Modifié par paxxton, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:08 .

[Eryri]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

If while I'm at work someone can take the time to analyze why destroying the heretics is the better option than letting them be rewritten and/or taint the consensus I'd appreciate it.

It does seem counter intuitive. I saved them myself because I thought it was the more paragon, moral choice at the time. 

However, given comments from Samara, along the lines of "changing how someone thinks is tantamount to killing them" perhaps that is foreshadowing that rewriting the Geth is as much, or even more, of a violation of their being than simply destroying them?

If I was given the choice of either being killed quickly and cleanly, or having my brain rewired on another's whim to turn me into something else, I think I'd rather choose the former. 

It's Bioware's way of punishing you for the hubris of playing God and messing with the fundamental nature of another being, rather than sticking to your mandate as a soldier. More forshadowing, if any more was needed, that synthesis on a galactic scale is a daft idea.

Modifié par Eryri, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:40 .

[Restrider]

paxxton wrote...

The thread's moving at supersonic speed today.

Are you joking?

[Leonia]

Also note that rewriting them doesn't necessarily solve the root issue: they could come to the same conclusion that they came too before and become Heretics again. Kind of like if you pick Control there's nothing that says that somebody might come along and change the variables again in the future. Killing the Heretics is both merciful and instrumental in purging the cancerous thought process from the consensus. It's the only way to be sure. Just like when Shepard chooses Destroy.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

paxxton wrote...

The thread's moving at supersonic speed today.

Are you joking?

Yes.

[demersel]

There is another thing to consider in the matter. Heretics to posses some unique knoweldge and expierience. You essantially kill them both ways. But if you rewrite them you - you at least preserve their knoweldge and enrich the geth with it. I know that this is exactly like the collector base. And i destroyed the collector base. So i quess you might call me a hypicrit. I just strongly believe that you can't apply one morality and mindset everywhere.

[Leonia]

The re-written Heretics are neither Heretics or Orthodox, they are something "new" and you can't predict how they will evolve. You know where you stand before the rewrite.That new info they bring to the table also includes the Heretic stuff. How can you be sure the rewrite would completely eliminate that? What if it doesn't work and you've introduced a virus that will turn all the Orthodox geth into Heretics by mistake? It's too much of a risk, too many unknown variables to contemplate. Plus there is the whole destruction of free will and I think most people can agree that the geth are sentient (or at least in ME2 they are definitely heading in that direction). Imposing order onto chaos is such a Reaper way of thinking, it's almost baffling that rewriting is considered a paragon option.

Modifié par leonia42, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:54 .

[The Hollow]

http://i1170.photobu...4L/6edbfd2a.png

Saw some earlier posts mentioning how there may be some other entities still to be discovered and I thought:

We still don't know who these guys on the right are, right?

[MisterX867]

What is the datapad I've seen so many talk about?

Is it this?
http://imageupload.o.../data1.jpg.html

Modifié par MisterX867, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Gwyphon]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

If while I'm at work someone can take the time to analyze why destroying the heretics is the better option than letting them be rewritten and/or taint the consensus I'd appreciate it.

The reapers have had a hand in every geth conflict we see in ME. I assume the reaper code causes them to oppose the motion of allying with the quarians. 
Why destroy is better for the treaty than rewriting, I assume because the quarians see that as a more believable solution for reaper-infected geth. It's like brain washing your families murderer or him getting the death penalty I guess.

And with that poorly written and thought out paragraph, I leave you all for dream land. 

[Jusseb]

The Hollow wrote...

http://i1170.photobu...4L/6edbfd2a.png

Saw some earlier posts mentioning how there may be some other entities still to be discovered and I thought:

We still don't know who these guys on the right are, right?

If you look at it from a bit of an angled view, they could be 'Hanar'

Otherwise, who would they be?

Modifié par Jusseb, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:57 .

[Restrider]

leonia42 wrote...

Also note that rewriting them doesn't necessarily solve the root issue: they could come to the same conclusion that they came too before and become Heretics again. Kind of like if you pick Control there's nothing that says that somebody might come along and change the variables again in the future. Killing the Heretics is both merciful and instrumental in purging the cancerous thought process from the consensus. It's the only way to be sure. Just like when Shepard chooses Destroy.

I guess Xilizhra begs to differ .
Edit: WHY FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AM I ALWAYS ON TOP WITH NONSENSICAL POSTS !
(Note that this is a rhetorical question)

Modifié par Restrider, 22 octobre 2012 - 02:59 .