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[spotlessvoid]

Exactly, community managers denying things is standard procedure. Mike Gamble is pretty much word of god. AS is Hudson and Walters.

Denying IT being valid is pointless even if it wasn't intended.

Denying IT DLC if it isn't coming is doing right by some of your most loyal dedicated fans.

[smokingotter1]

Bill Casey wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

MisterX867 wrote...

I can't believe barely anything was said about this: http://social.biowar...7/1519#14610101

Interesting, but what's 'inverting the colours'? 

i.e.. Can someone else recreate that effect in a meaningful manner that isn't just photoshopping it.

The whole 'turning your world upside down' idea is brilliant though, I love that.  And its very true - it means Harbinger would actually be standing 'under' Control.  But because Shepard is confused and dying, its harder to notice you're actually upside down and thus perspectives have been flipped.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_(photography)


I checked in Paint Shop Pro, and it is indeed the negative image...

Also with opposites it means when Shepard jumps and falls into the conduit beam with the synthesis choice he is actually ascending, not falling. 

[MaximizedAction]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ithurael


Bladerunner is a terrible example. The question of whether Deckard was a replicant is both the central theme yet not important to the immediate plot. It's also a movie.

It's also one of two possibilities. Not one of 20.

Any non literal ending to ME is incomplete and provides no catharsis to a very personalized narrative. Unlike the movies used to compare, we see things as Shepard and make decisions as opposed to being a silent observer.

This quality of ME became less apparent once I saw Shep's face when that evac shuttle got shot down by a Destroyer, Autodialog, etc.
But we all know that this can be attributed to an indoc. process. I just find it somewhat important to point out that effectively it's not entirely as interactive as ME1, i.e. feels less interactive.

[niravital]

BleedingUranium wrote...

IT doesn't need post-end content to be true, but it does need post-end content to matter.

I Agree.

We really have to wait untill all ME3 DLC is out and ME3 production ends.
No point in speculating what would BW do about it, just need to be patient.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus Hey, you know Chris denied multiplayer as a whole? Yeah, it's basically his job to deny stuff.

Yup. However, I do not think that the (possible) ending content will confirm IT. I think it'll simply restructure the London mission, make it able to see your war assets in action, and see your decisions matter more during the final battle. Possibly, it'll also feature a reunion scene between Shepard and your LI in the high EMS destroy ending.

[AresKeith]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Exactly, community managers denying things is standard procedure. Mike Gamble is pretty much word of god. AS is Hudson and Walters.

Denying IT being valid is pointless even if it wasn't intended.

Denying IT DLC if it isn't coming is doing right by some of your most loyal dedicated fans.

The only problem with that is everyone here is a fan, but some of things they've done is very questionable

[llbountyhunter]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Ithurael


Bladerunner is a terrible example. The question of whether Deckard was a replicant is both the central theme yet not important to the immediate plot. It's also a movie.

It's also one of two possibilities. Not one of 20.

Any non literal ending to ME is incomplete and provides no catharsis to a very personalized narrative. Unlike the movies used to compare, we see things as Shepard and make decisions as opposed to being a silent observer.

IT is more complete, an the literal interpertation makes less sense. 

with IT the last scenes are a mental battle with Harbinger. perhaps the choices have real-world effects.... and then shepard either succumbs to Harbinger, and the reapers win, or overcomes the main reapers grasp  (how else would you overcome harbinger if not mentally?) and he wakes up on earth.

literaly shepard goes to a spot on the citadel that is exposed to space that no one has ever seen... he then gets magically manipulated by TIM.... survives an explosion more powerful than the wake of a supernovae and ends up on earth? 

makes total sense.

[BansheeOwnage]

@ Estebanus So... Extended Extended Cut? That is basically IT anyway, considering everyone would then choose destroy. That concept works fine for me though; I'd be good with that honestly.

[spotlessvoid]

The problem with a redone end game that doesn't change the narrative is you're asking players to care about playing the same story with a little bit of makeup a year later. Too little too late. It's a lot of resources to commit to a free dlc. Almost nobody is paying to replay the end with a few sparkles added if nothing actually makes any real difference to what happens in the decision chamber

[BansheeOwnage]

@Ares Who is the "they" in this sentence?

[BansheeOwnage]

@Spot You just described the EC lol. What Estebanus said was what I thought the EC would be. It's clear the EC wasn't 3 months work by an entire dev team...

[AresKeith]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Ares Who is the "they" in this sentence?

Bioware

[spotlessvoid]

IBH...

IT provides no answers to what the crucible is and if and how to defeat the Reapers. The entire point of this trilogy was stopping the Reapers. I don't feel asking me to explain how this happens is good writing. I paid Bioware to tell me a story, not to give me material to write my own from

[LazyTechGuy]

News (even leaked rumors) are pretty sparse in regards to Omega. Seems pretty tight-lipped for the most part, even though there's been plenty of recent venues for BW to talk about it.

Was Levianthan this quiet? I can't remember.

[BleedingUranium]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The problem with a redone end game that doesn't change the narrative is you're asking players to care about playing the same story with a little bit of makeup a year later. Too little too late. It's a lot of resources to commit to a free dlc. Almost nobody is paying to replay the end with a few sparkles added if nothing actually makes any real difference to what happens in the decision chamber

I still haven't replayed the end since Leviathan

Let's put that into perspective. I've done three ME2 playthroughs, but I've played the suicide mission six or seven times.

[BansheeOwnage]

@BountyHunter Even if Shepard was on the citadel still, it would make absolutely no sense. Blur and I were watching the ending again yesterday and as far as we could tell, Shepard disappears from the room when the explosion settles. Can anyone with or without flycam try to confirm this?

[paxxton]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

News (even leaked rumors) are pretty sparse in regards to Omega. Seems pretty tight-lipped for the most part, even though there's been plenty of recent venues for BW to talk about it.

Was Levianthan this quiet? I can't remember.

Not at all. Scripts for the DLC were in the EC 2 months before it was released.

[niravital]

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus Hey, you know Chris denied multiplayer as a whole? Yeah, it's basically his job to deny stuff.

Yup. However, I do not think that the (possible) ending content will confirm IT. I think it'll simply restructure the London mission, make it able to see your war assets in action, and see your decisions matter more during the final battle. Possibly, it'll also feature a reunion scene between Shepard and your LI in the high EMS destroy ending.

I fail to see how post-breath-scene content can leave the situation as open to both literal and IT interpretation.
Because Shep wakes up after the war is won. If IT is true then the Reapers are still here and there's still a battle to fight.
Unless Harbinger gets mentally insane after failing an indoctrination attempt and selfdistructs.
They already released the EC to modify some stuff that they missed or that was too far to understand the ending as literal. If there is ever going to be post-ending content I think it won't be changing soemthing during the game, but only adding afterwards.

I think eventually BW will have to make a stand to let all of us know what they meant by their artistic integrity.

[spotlessvoid]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Spot You just described the EC lol. What Estebanus said was what I thought the EC would be. It's clear the EC wasn't 3 months work by an entire dev team...

Would you be okay with replaying a revamped London only to find yourself in the decision chamber facing starchild and his crazy choices again?

[Cyberfrog81]

spotlessvoid wrote...

The problem with a redone end game that doesn't change the narrative is you're asking players to care about playing the same story with a little bit of makeup a year later. Too little too late. It's a lot of resources to commit to a free dlc. Almost nobody is paying to replay the end with a few sparkles added if nothing actually makes any real difference to what happens in the decision chamber

Yeah, I don't think revamped Priority: Earth is happening. Everyone wanted to see BioWare exceed what they accomplished with the Suicide Mission.... so much for that.

I don't think they'll be eager to (directly or indirectly) admit that the earth missions were pretty lame.

[BansheeOwnage]

@Blur Yeah, that says something doesn't it? I'll be honest though, I won't replay the end after Omega. I'll youtube it this time. It totally wasn't worth it in Leviathan. It was basically:
Shepard: Your creators are fighting you now!
Child: Cool. You should jump into the beam.

[BleedingUranium]

Everyone should come over to the MP forums and help support my idea to make Guardians useful!

[llbountyhunter]

spotlessvoid wrote...

IBH...

IT provides no answers to what the crucible is and if and how to defeat the Reapers. The entire point of this trilogy was stopping the Reapers. I don't feel asking me to explain how this happens is good writing. I paid Bioware to tell me a story, not to give me material to write my own from

and the literal ending satisfies your needs?

you think the a bluprint for a unknown device (revealed in the THIRD game) that requires a reapers brain/heart will stop the reapers? 

the point of IT is to stay true to the story and defeat the reapers. the literal ending goes against this completly. 

im not saying IT is perfect, but it makes a hell of alot more sense and is more sound than the literal interpetations

[BansheeOwnage]

@Spot Well, that would be better than nothing no?

@CyberFrog A lot of the reason London was lame was because the lack of music made it feel creepy and boring. Quite the opposite of the suicide mission. The only excuse I have (why does it always come to this?) is IT. Because London is supposed to feel weird in IT.

[estebanus]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@BountyHunter Even if Shepard was on the citadel still, it would make absolutely no sense. Blur and I were watching the ending again yesterday and as far as we could tell, Shepard disappears from the room when the explosion settles. Can anyone with or without flycam try to confirm this?

I've seen a flycam of this on youtube, as a matter of fact. Funny thing: After the explosion that Shepard causes due to shooting the tube, there's only a black soot spot, where Shepard is supposed to be.

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