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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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#38176
estebanus

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niravital wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus Hey, you know Chris denied multiplayer as a whole? Yeah, it's basically his job to deny stuff.

Yup. However, I do not think that the (possible) ending content will confirm IT. I think it'll simply restructure the London mission, make it able to see your war assets in action, and see your decisions matter more during the final battle. Possibly, it'll also feature a reunion scene between Shepard and your LI in the high EMS destroy ending.


I fail to see how post-breath-scene content can leave the situation as open to both literal and IT interpretation.
Because Shep wakes up after the war is won. If IT is true then the Reapers are still here and there's still a battle to fight.
Unless Harbinger gets mentally insane after failing an indoctrination attempt and selfdistructs.
They already released the EC to modify some stuff that they missed or that was too far to understand the ending as literal. If there is ever going to be post-ending content I think it won't be changing soemthing during the game, but only adding afterwards.

I think eventually BW will have to make a stand to let all of us know what they meant by their artistic integrity.

Uhm... My scenario does involve the IT being false after all.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Spot You just described the EC lol. What Estebanus said was what I thought the EC would be. It's clear the EC wasn't 3 months work by an entire dev team...

At least that ending would bring real, proper closure. The game won't end with a cut to black as a punishment for you destroying the reapers.

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Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


Bioware stands by their content. Either that or they are hedging their bets hoping the people that like/accept the ending > those who don't like the ending.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


There's quite a few pro-enders who didn't like the Earth mission the way it is

#38181
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@Spot I'd like it because it's better than what we have.

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AresKeith wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


There's quite a few pro-enders who didn't like the Earth mission the way it is


Even dreman999 doesn't like Priority Earth as is

That should tell you mountians!:wizard::wizard:

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


and many IT'ers are happy as well, because they believe it is true. just because there are some who belive either IT is true or not, does no make it so.

and I have not met many (if any) literalists who is happy with the ending, they may not think IT is true, but they still think the endings are garbage.

in fact the only true happy ones are the very Passionate IT'ers...... 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:09 .


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@Estebanus So my interpretation then is Shepard leaves the decision chamber and it "sent back down to Earth" by his/her mind after choosing destroy. Or something.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?

That, uhhh... that really wasn't what I meant. I said that they'd expand on all endings, and that the destroy ending wouldn't end with a cut to black, but be expanded on, as in seein Shepard getting saved by a group of soldiers.

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Ilbounthunter.....

Bro, you know I'm 100% behind IT right?

The literal ending is the biggest garbage ever.

But IT is not the end of Mass Effects plot. IT truly remains an unfinished narrative.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


and many IT'ers are happy as well, because they believe it is true. just because there are some who belive either IT is true or not, does no make it so.

and I have not met many (if any) literalists who is happy with the ending, they may not think IT is true, but they still the the endings are garbage.

in fact the only true happy ones are the very Passionate IT'ers...... 

...And Seival:sick:

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


Most people do not play the games just for the ending.......

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Spot I'd like it because it's better than what we have.

Well I guess it's eating steak and lobster instead of a cheeseburger before having your dog **** sunday

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estebanus wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


and many IT'ers are happy as well, because they believe it is true. just because there are some who belive either IT is true or not, does no make it so.

and I have not met many (if any) literalists who is happy with the ending, they may not think IT is true, but they still the the endings are garbage.

in fact the only true happy ones are the very Passionate IT'ers...... 

...And Seival:sick:


Can anybody take Seival seriously after ME3?

#38191
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@ Estebanus Don't remind us...

Lunch is over. I should go. See you later :)

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

@ Estebanus Don't remind us...

Lunch is over. I should go. See you later :)


Bye

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AresKeith wrote...

estebanus wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


and many IT'ers are happy as well, because they believe it is true. just because there are some who belive either IT is true or not, does no make it so.

and I have not met many (if any) literalists who is happy with the ending, they may not think IT is true, but they still the the endings are garbage.

in fact the only true happy ones are the very Passionate IT'ers...... 

...And Seival:sick:


Can anybody take Seival seriously after ME3?

He seemed good enough at the beginning, producing productive threads about the ending. Then, he created the control thread, which was his first step down the road of complete lunacy. He delved deeper and deeper into those realms, creating threads like the stargazer support thread, the Normandy crash scene support thread. By the time he created the 2nd ultimate endings support thread, there was nothing left of the old Seival.

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I don't get it. Whats the big deal? We knew right away, that if IT is any sort of true - we only get something of a confirmation at the end of DLC cycle. If at all in this game and not the next. Now - recent news - about Shepard not being in ME4 (or whatever it is) - if at all true - they are good news. If IT is any truth at all (I say "if" here, just being polite) - then this is them straight out telling us to chill and not to worry - it will be adressed in the DLC. Simple as that. So far only one DLC is out. And 1 - it is awesome, 2 - it is about nothing but indoctrination. Now I bet that Omega WILL NOT be any sort of IT reveal. But it will be close to it, and it will be awesome. And btw, while we're at it - name one ME DLC that isn't any good? (besides pinnacle - MP has that niche covered)

Modifié par demersel, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:19 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

Ilbounthunter.....

Bro, you know I'm 100% behind IT right?

The literal ending is the biggest garbage ever.

But IT is not the end of Mass Effects plot. IT truly remains an unfinished narrative.


sorry if I was a little harsh, Ive been away for awhile.....

but, no IT can be a way to finish the game. 


-shepard loses consiousness at the crash 
-engages a metal battle with harbinger.
-shepard defeats the "king" reaper, maybe he is like the reaper "hub" and the damage filters out to the other reapers.
-shepard wakes on earth.

there, thats exactly what we saw, nothing more is needed.....it just depends on how you look at the same ending. 

however, if people do want another DLC, i made this ending up for fun if you want to look at it....

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 22 octobre 2012 - 07:18 .


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spotlessvoid wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

@Spot I'd like it because it's better than what we have.

Well I guess it's eating steak and lobster instead of a cheeseburger before having your dog **** sunday

If the endings are greatly expanded upon, even changed to the point where you can tell the catalyst that the reason for it's construction wasn't to create peace, but to solve a problem that didn't really exist in the first place, would you still think so?

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None of that is going to make me believe Hudson and Walters can deliver a cohesive and satisfying narrative going forward. I'll still think they couldn't come up with a proper conclusion to their own story. Combine that with their terrible pr and I won't be trusting them with any narrative again. No IT content means they have lost a customer.

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estebanus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

estebanus wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Oh cool the Krogan are taking out the Brutes. Awesome, Banshee vs Rachni!
Whoaaa, did you see those two freighters ram that Reaper!?
Etc etc...
And then...."Wake up"


Dammit!! Not again!

I just don't see the interest a year later. Except for pro-enders, who are already happy. So why bother pouring resources into something that will only make the fans who are already happy, happy?


and many IT'ers are happy as well, because they believe it is true. just because there are some who belive either IT is true or not, does no make it so.

and I have not met many (if any) literalists who is happy with the ending, they may not think IT is true, but they still the the endings are garbage.

in fact the only true happy ones are the very Passionate IT'ers...... 

...And Seival:sick:


Can anybody take Seival seriously after ME3?

He seemed good enough at the beginning, producing productive threads about the ending. Then, he created the control thread, which was his first step down the road of complete lunacy. He delved deeper and deeper into those realms, creating threads like the stargazer support thread, the Normandy crash scene support thread. By the time he created the 2nd ultimate endings support thread, there was nothing left of the old Seival.


Then his cult threads about converting "Anti-enders" into "Pro-enders" and moving all IT thread into fan creation forum

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demersel wrote...

I don't get it. Whats the big deal? We knew right away, that if IT is any sort of true - we only get something of a confirmation at the end of DLC cycle. If at all in this game and not the next. Now - recent news - about Shepard not being in ME4 (or whatever it is) - if at all true - they are good news. If IT is any truth at all (I say "if" here, just being polite) - then this is them straight out telling us to chill and not to worry - it will be adressed in the DLC. Simple as that. So far only one DLC is out. And 1 - it is awesome, 2 - it is about nothing but indoctrination. Now I bet that Omega WILL not be any sort of IT reveal. But it will be close to it, and it will be awesome. And btw, while we're at it - name one ME DLC that isn't any good? (besides pinnacle - MP has that niche covered)

Arrival. God, I hated that mission.

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estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

I don't get it. Whats the big deal? We knew right away, that if IT is any sort of true - we only get something of a confirmation at the end of DLC cycle. If at all in this game and not the next. Now - recent news - about Shepard not being in ME4 (or whatever it is) - if at all true - they are good news. If IT is any truth at all (I say "if" here, just being polite) - then this is them straight out telling us to chill and not to worry - it will be adressed in the DLC. Simple as that. So far only one DLC is out. And 1 - it is awesome, 2 - it is about nothing but indoctrination. Now I bet that Omega WILL not be any sort of IT reveal. But it will be close to it, and it will be awesome. And btw, while we're at it - name one ME DLC that isn't any good? (besides pinnacle - MP has that niche covered)

Arrival. God, I hated that mission.


whats wrong with you?????