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So if The Derelict Man isn't actually there at the end....where is he?
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Posté 22 octobre 2012 - 11:56
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plfranke wrote...
rofl the derelict manspotlessvoid wrote...
So if The Derelict Man isn't actually there at the end....where is he?
Illusion Man...
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:02
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paxxton wrote...
Wild speculations by demersel. He thinks TIM is a Reaper. And his true form is the Derelict Reaper.NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
spotlessvoid wrote...
So if The Derelict Man isn't actually there at the end....where is he?
Derelict Man? What did I miss guys?
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Haha! Oh that was what was being referenced.
Yah, that was funny.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:11
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What have I missed in the last 24 hours guys?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:12
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The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:14
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MegumiAzusa wrote...
I very much like James, as yes his character isn't fleshed out as it should but he's definitely not a meat head. He's often the comical relief character, yes, but that doesn't degrade him in any way, just talk to him some times, he's much more then Traynor or Steve.
Agreed. I don't get the hate for him. I find him quite drily amusing, The way he flirts with Steve is quite funny too.
His depth comes out when you chat with him on the citadel after the council in the start of the game. I never knew he was there in first playthroughs. Then one day I noticed and went to talk to him. I was surprised to see he was deeper than what I thought. That's when I started having conversations with him and even using him as a player. I use him in place of garrus most of the time now.
Can someone tell me about this James related DLC or whatever it was that has been mentioned in the last few pages? The only one I know about is omega which I am likely not getting since I don't think it will be anything other than one long fight akin to all those cerberus missions and they were okay enough because they were short but if they were any longer, I'd be bored to death since there was no gain of anytihng other than foiling Tim which changes nothing in the end anyway.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:16
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dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
Synthesis sucks
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:19
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demersel wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It always felt like there is much more to it, like the semi husk Trooper on Mars, and the one Trooper at the end of Sur-Kesh, the explanation of Sanctuary was a bit lame.AresKeith wrote...
I really didn't like how they made Cerberus feel like the main enemy in ME3
Maybe because it didn't actually explain anything and we don't yet know their plan at all?
Things that are part of their plan - mars archives, citadel coup, sanctuary - all as far as we know succeded. They also got some sort of deal with the salarians, namely the Dalatress, since they do some dirty work for her. (Sur-Kesh, tuchanka bomb) - but this work is payment. Payment for what? We don't yet know.
Eden Prime dig site - also is part of their plan.
Benning is very weird too. - we don't actually know what exactly happened there.
Plus there is Omega, that is not even touched upon yet.
Belive me, we haven't even started to see cerberus in action.
I seriously hope that in Omega we will finally be revealed TIM / Cerberus's intentions and plans. It is really bugging me...
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:23
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I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.
Me too. I felt it was appropriate given what was about to happen and how Shepard just watched Anderson die and is about to end the nightmare. It was very moving. And the music after the crucible fires is perfect as well. Honestly, I found the music to be very fitting for most of the scenes or most of the scenes that had impact. Grunt's scene. Mordin's scene. Wrex and Eve's scene. We got some ME1 music. I liked that.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:25
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starlitegirlx wrote...
Eryri wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I very much like James, as yes his character isn't fleshed out as it should but he's definitely not a meat head. He's often the comical relief character, yes, but that doesn't degrade him in any way, just talk to him some times, he's much more then Traynor or Steve.
Agreed. I don't get the hate for him. I find him quite drily amusing, The way he flirts with Steve is quite funny too.
His depth comes out when you chat with him on the citadel after the council in the start of the game. I never knew he was there in first playthroughs. Then one day I noticed and went to talk to him. I was surprised to see he was deeper than what I thought. That's when I started having conversations with him and even using him as a player. I use him in place of garrus most of the time now.
Can someone tell me about this James related DLC or whatever it was that has been mentioned in the last few pages? The only one I know about is omega which I am likely not getting since I don't think it will be anything other than one long fight akin to all those cerberus missions and they were okay enough because they were short but if they were any longer, I'd be bored to death since there was no gain of anytihng other than foiling Tim which changes nothing in the end anyway.
James DLC? I missed that one!
I too like James' character. I don;t think I will be going out of my way to see Paragon Lost but... still, I appreciate his addition. Admittedly, I really didn't like him in the begining.
I am still on the fence about Omega. I gave Leviathan a chance and was pleased but not... blown away. I liked the scenes that pertained to IT and the suspense throughout the missions. Bryson's lab was alright, just flash and fluff though.
I don;t know whether to come here (IT thread) or read reviews/watch Youtube to decide about Omega...
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:28
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A constant variable? I don't think so.dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:29
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Do you still like the Control ending?paxxton wrote...
A constant variable? I don't think so.dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:32
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TJBartlemus wrote...
demersel wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It always felt like there is much more to it, like the semi husk Trooper on Mars, and the one Trooper at the end of Sur-Kesh, the explanation of Sanctuary was a bit lame.AresKeith wrote...
I really didn't like how they made Cerberus feel like the main enemy in ME3
Maybe because it didn't actually explain anything and we don't yet know their plan at all?
Things that are part of their plan - mars archives, citadel coup, sanctuary - all as far as we know succeded. They also got some sort of deal with the salarians, namely the Dalatress, since they do some dirty work for her. (Sur-Kesh, tuchanka bomb) - but this work is payment. Payment for what? We don't yet know.
Eden Prime dig site - also is part of their plan.
Benning is very weird too. - we don't actually know what exactly happened there.
Plus there is Omega, that is not even touched upon yet.
Belive me, we haven't even started to see cerberus in action.
I seriously hope that in Omega we will finally be revealed TIM / Cerberus's intentions and plans. It is really bugging me...
His intention was to control. He wanted power and reapers are a lot of power. I don't think there's going to be anything beyond that other than maybe why omega was relevant to him, which I suspect had to do with the relay and getting that protoreaper back. Omega's location was pretty key regarding that.
Honestly, I always felt he was connected to the collectors and getting shepard dead so he could have her alive again to help him get to the reapers. And I'm certain he sent a salvage team to get that dead reaper after the IFF run. That's where they got the tech from. I'm wondering if he somehow got connected with the reapers much sooner than we find out about the IFF mission and perhaps that derilict reaper went back to EDIs creation back around ME1 time frame given it has reaper tech. He always struck me as equal to Saren's level of indoctrination throughout ME2. But by ME3 he's more obsessed to the point of insane.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:34
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Yup. I like Control. I like Synthesis. And I like Destroy too. And Refuse as well.NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
Do you still like the Control ending?paxxton wrote...
A constant variable? I don't think so.dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
What I was refering to is that "constant variable" is an oxymoron.
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#38365
Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:35
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starlitegirlx wrote...
Jusseb wrote...
I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.
Me too. I felt it was appropriate given what was about to happen and how Shepard just watched Anderson die and is about to end the nightmare. It was very moving. And the music after the crucible fires is perfect as well. Honestly, I found the music to be very fitting for most of the scenes or most of the scenes that had impact. Grunt's scene. Mordin's scene. Wrex and Eve's scene. We got some ME1 music. I liked that.
Tears were shed in the EC ending soundtrack...
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:39
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starlitegirlx wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
demersel wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It always felt like there is much more to it, like the semi husk Trooper on Mars, and the one Trooper at the end of Sur-Kesh, the explanation of Sanctuary was a bit lame.AresKeith wrote...
I really didn't like how they made Cerberus feel like the main enemy in ME3
Maybe because it didn't actually explain anything and we don't yet know their plan at all?
Things that are part of their plan - mars archives, citadel coup, sanctuary - all as far as we know succeded. They also got some sort of deal with the salarians, namely the Dalatress, since they do some dirty work for her. (Sur-Kesh, tuchanka bomb) - but this work is payment. Payment for what? We don't yet know.
Eden Prime dig site - also is part of their plan.
Benning is very weird too. - we don't actually know what exactly happened there.
Plus there is Omega, that is not even touched upon yet.
Belive me, we haven't even started to see cerberus in action.
I seriously hope that in Omega we will finally be revealed TIM / Cerberus's intentions and plans. It is really bugging me...
His intention was to control. He wanted power and reapers are a lot of power. I don't think there's going to be anything beyond that other than maybe why omega was relevant to him, which I suspect had to do with the relay and getting that protoreaper back. Omega's location was pretty key regarding that.
Honestly, I always felt he was connected to the collectors and getting shepard dead so he could have her alive again to help him get to the reapers. And I'm certain he sent a salvage team to get that dead reaper after the IFF run. That's where they got the tech from. I'm wondering if he somehow got connected with the reapers much sooner than we find out about the IFF mission and perhaps that derilict reaper went back to EDIs creation back around ME1 time frame given it has reaper tech. He always struck me as equal to Saren's level of indoctrination throughout ME2. But by ME3 he's more obsessed to the point of insane.
No there has got to be more...why make a DLC about Cerberus then if there is no twist?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:39
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Nothing can compare with the power emanating from this piece.TJBartlemus wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
Jusseb wrote...
I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.
Me too. I felt it was appropriate given what was about to happen and how Shepard just watched Anderson die and is about to end the nightmare. It was very moving. And the music after the crucible fires is perfect as well. Honestly, I found the music to be very fitting for most of the scenes or most of the scenes that had impact. Grunt's scene. Mordin's scene. Wrex and Eve's scene. We got some ME1 music. I liked that.
Tears were shed in the EC ending soundtrack...
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:40
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dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
Considering we are making jokes about The Derelict Man theory, I would say that there are some things we do in fact find silly.
I--for one--find the speculation entertaining. I can entertain an idea without accepting it. Also, see my signature.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:41
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paxxton wrote...
Yup. I like Control. I like Synthesis. And I like Destroy too. And Refuse as well.NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
Do you still like the Control ending?paxxton wrote...
A constant variable? I don't think so.dreamgazer wrote...
The Derelict Man deserves a better ending.
Seriously, is anything considered a constant variable in this thread?
What I was refering to is that "constant variable" is an oxymoron.
Not when stress-testing a scientific theory.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:41
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paxxton wrote...
Nothing can compare with the power emanating from this piece.TJBartlemus wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
Jusseb wrote...
I liked the piano music at the end, really made me feel sad...just like the ending....just plain sad.
Me too. I felt it was appropriate given what was about to happen and how Shepard just watched Anderson die and is about to end the nightmare. It was very moving. And the music after the crucible fires is perfect as well. Honestly, I found the music to be very fitting for most of the scenes or most of the scenes that had impact. Grunt's scene. Mordin's scene. Wrex and Eve's scene. We got some ME1 music. I liked that.
Tears were shed in the EC ending soundtrack...
http://t3.gstatic.co...sw9gMq_ezRPhiCw
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:46
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NebuchadnezzaRT wrote...
starlitegirlx wrote...
Eryri wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
I very much like James, as yes his character isn't fleshed out as it should but he's definitely not a meat head. He's often the comical relief character, yes, but that doesn't degrade him in any way, just talk to him some times, he's much more then Traynor or Steve.
Agreed. I don't get the hate for him. I find him quite drily amusing, The way he flirts with Steve is quite funny too.
His depth comes out when you chat with him on the citadel after the council in the start of the game. I never knew he was there in first playthroughs. Then one day I noticed and went to talk to him. I was surprised to see he was deeper than what I thought. That's when I started having conversations with him and even using him as a player. I use him in place of garrus most of the time now.
Can someone tell me about this James related DLC or whatever it was that has been mentioned in the last few pages? The only one I know about is omega which I am likely not getting since I don't think it will be anything other than one long fight akin to all those cerberus missions and they were okay enough because they were short but if they were any longer, I'd be bored to death since there was no gain of anytihng other than foiling Tim which changes nothing in the end anyway.
James DLC? I missed that one!
I too like James' character. I don;t think I will be going out of my way to see Paragon Lost but... still, I appreciate his addition. Admittedly, I really didn't like him in the begining.
I am still on the fence about Omega. I gave Leviathan a chance and was pleased but not... blown away. I liked the scenes that pertained to IT and the suspense throughout the missions. Bryson's lab was alright, just flash and fluff though.
I don;t know whether to come here (IT thread) or read reviews/watch Youtube to decide about Omega...
Oh, paragon lost. I misunderstood and thought it was a James related DLC. What is it? Is it a DLC? I'm totally lost on it. What is it?
I only like Leviathan because it gives me major war assets and some nice interaction from my LI which is Kaidan. he's great in that one. I get total nausea playing through the dig site with all the shaking of the screen. Truly. It screws with my vision. TOO MUCH. Overall, it was a bit on the boring side though the information gathered from leviathan was fascinating.
I don't believe they will ever fully acknowledge IT because of fear of response from those who are hardcore synthesis or control. And there are so many of them in this forum. I also wonder if it's one of those social experiments or just a thing they wanted to see if they could pull off without people getting it. If you pay attention and think about all the themes and various events you are dealing with in ME3, everything screams that when you meddle with the natural order it is disasterous and when you try to control things you shouldn't it is disasterous. It's all there in the Geth/Quarian story (control) and in the Genophage history (synthesis - meddling). But you have to think about it rather than just play the game going from point A to B to C. If you don't think about all the things you witness and have to fix and all the reaction of the characters (like the salarians that don't favor meddling anymore) you miss the foreshadows and warnings. But they are right in your face and you've known about them since ME1 but now you are cleaning up the messes first hand. Actually, I suppose the story should get a lot of credit for that if we're talking IT because theme wise it has a very strong IT element to it. But I find a lot of obvious stuff that fall into IT context when you realize that destroy is the only option that truly gaurantees the end of the reapers which was the goal from minute one of learning about them.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:46
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Omega in 1 month, 5 days! I like how they announced it early, but the downside is the long wait. I hope Shepard falls into some sort of thrall again so we can compare it to the desicion chamber!
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:48
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So if Omega is playable at any point like Leviathan, how much can they really reveal?
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:49
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paxxton wrote...
Nothing can compare with the power emanating from this piece.
You know what the first bit of that song reminds me of? This:
So BioWare did put in a Critical Mission failure but just subtly.
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Posté 23 octobre 2012 - 12:52
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spotlessvoid wrote...
So if Omega is playable at any point like Leviathan, how much can they really reveal?
Anything really, that’s the beauty of conditionals. Say if you play it post Sanctuary, there could be conditionals within the DLC that flag this and so you get slightly different content in conversations than say someone who plays it post Rannoch.
