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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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CmdrShep80 wrote...
 Afterward, Anderson and Sanders make plans to autopsy Grayson's body and study the Reaper technology within him in the hopes of learning how to fight the Reapers.


This is how Anderson started to get indoctrinated heavily. This was his object Rho. 

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demersel wrote...

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Demersel, he had a physical version of that office in the very beginning of ME2. Miranda was clearly there with him in the room.



Define clearly. 
Did we see her touch him? 
Did we see her interact with any solid object that tim interacted with?
Did we see her interact with any solid object at all?

Again - all i'm saying - try to entertain the idea - think of his office as of a giant green screen room. If you're making a movie in a green screen room - you only need the to have items that characters touch, pick up, or interact in anyway physicly as props - everything else, including other character - may not be real. 
For example you need to shoot a scene between two characters in a green screen room. All they do is talk - they do not touch each other in any way, do not pass each other solid objects - do not interact in anyway - besides talking  - in that scenario it is perfectly reasonable to shoot only ONE actor at a time. Green screen is very difficult to light the correct way, and all the lighting that gets on the actor is more or less final - what you see is what you get - so if the scene is difficult - it may be a good idea to do one actor at a time, especially if they move - so not to mess up the lighting, when two of them are in the same shot - you first film the one of the for the shot when they are together, then film the other one - then combine them into one shot in post.  That's how you do real life movies. 


Dude, if the first room was fake, why even build the real one? At no point in the game does Shepard see that real room via hologram. She only ever sees it when she assaults Cronos Station.

Are you saying TIM built that entire room knowing ahead of time that Shepard was gonna assault his base, and built that room when he could just as easily have claimed the room was on a different station and not bothered building a new room?

I'm trying to be nice, but your 'TIM is a Reaper, no actually he's Cronos Station now because the Reaper is dead, also there are hologram rooms just for the lulz' is pretty crazy and doesnt make sense on multiple levels.

Anyhow, I'm going to bed now.

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Should be the right scene I mentioned

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CmdrShep80 wrote...


we didn't destroy the station. We just damaged it badly. The final scenes play out with Kai Leng then with Vendetta. After that it's back to the Normandy. -       After he's defeated, there will be a Renegade interrupt opportunity as Leng sneaks up on you and attempts to stab you. If you don't use the interrupt, Shepard will dodge; if you do, Shepard will block the blade and shatter it. Immediately after, Shepard will follow it up with an omni-blade attack, putting an end to Kai Leng once and for all.You will then have a last conversation with the Prothean VI with an option for a renegade interrupt, or if you wait, a paragon one. Finally you will return to the Normandy for a debrief with Anderson.


Yeah, i thought so too - it is exactly like the rachni mission in the ME3. We don't actually destroy anything that is reaper tech. 

Funny how the game starts to jump and skip a lot of thing the closer we get to the end. And really all those instances of skipping or not explaining something fully - they all happen when the reaper tech is close by. 

Why don't we actually get to see Cronos blown up?  Did we do it at all? If we did? why not show us a short clip of it? Did we actually get out of the station, and out of the TIM's office? As i remeber once you interrupt Vendetta it just fades to black, shows you citadel over earth, then an allience ship docking with normandy, then Hackett gives a speach - then flleets attack, and then you land in London. 

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byne wrote...

Dude, if the first room was fake, why even build the real one? At no point in the game does Shepard see that real room via hologram. She only ever sees it when she assaults Cronos Station.

Are you saying TIM built that entire room knowing ahead of time that Shepard was gonna assault his base, and built that room when he could just as easily have claimed the room was on a different station and not bothered building a new room?

I'm trying to be nice, but your 'TIM is a Reaper, no actually he's Cronos Station now because the Reaper is dead, also there are hologram rooms just for the lulz' is pretty crazy and doesnt make sense on multiple levels.

Anyhow, I'm going to bed now.


Firts of all how can we be sure that there is an actual room? We just passed right by a reaper - we can be imagening the entire fight. 

Second - if the room is real, that would only mean that after we killed the derelict - TIM does no longer have his mental comfort office - so he builds one for real, as close to the one he had as he can, as the next best thing - he liked his comfort mental space. 

Modifié par demersel, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:51 .


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That vid I put up. What happens around 4:10 minutes? Is that still cronos station and the citadel in the same scene above Earth or is it just too late at night and I'm going blurry? If it is how did it get there? If its not what is that thing going into the citadel just as it is closing?i

Modifié par CmdrShep80, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:34 .


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There's not enough facepalm for this page.

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This is the most fantastic thing I've ever seen.

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demersal, just go make your own thread or something.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

That vid I put up. What happens around 4:10 minutes? Is that still cronos station and the citadel in the same scene above Earth or is it just too late at night and I'm going blurry? If it is how did it get there? If its not what is that thing going into the citadel just as it is closing?i


That scene is really like vendetta setting you up for an illusion that your about to see - The citadel is in position over earth, the reapers a preparing to finish their harvest - "You find yourself on a calm beach - waves genly strike the shore..." - the things they say to you when the put you under hypnosis. And that makes sense with don't overstay your welcome - you're near a reaper! Kai leng was there just to keep you busy for enough time. 

Modifié par demersel, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:49 .


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demersel wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

That vid I put up. What happens around 4:10 minutes? Is that still cronos station and the citadel in the same scene above Earth or is it just too late at night and I'm going blurry? If it is how did it get there? If its not what is that thing going into the citadel just as it is closing?i


That scene is really like vendetta setting you up for an illusion that your about to see - The citadel is in position over earth, the reapers a preparing to finish their harvest - "You find yourself on a calm beach - waves genly strike the shore..." - you the think they say to you when the put you under hypnosis. And that makes sense with don't overstay your welcome - your near a reaper! Kai leng was ther just to keep you there for enough time. 

This reminded me of the old spice advert.

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TSA - exactly. 

Modifié par demersel, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:43 .


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BatmanTurian wrote...

demersal, just go make your own thread or something.


Answer me one thing - what happens to cronos station? 

Modifié par demersel, 23 octobre 2012 - 08:54 .


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It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?

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demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?


Considering we are just about to do the massive assult on Earth I would guess that once resistance has been fought down Hacket sends in a few teams to recover the most obviuos assets (like the parts of the Proto Reaper) and then blows it to hell as Shepard asked him too.

After all he cannot leave a sizeable force to deter any Cerberus attempts at taking it back as he needs those soldiers at Earth, safer and faster to just blow it up.

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?


Considering we are just about to do the massive assult on Earth I would guess that once resistance has been fought down Hacket sends in a few teams to recover the most obviuos assets (like the parts of the Proto Reaper) and then blows it to hell as Shepard asked him too.

After all he cannot leave a sizeable force to deter any Cerberus attempts at taking it back as he needs those soldiers at Earth, safer and faster to just blow it up.


And you know about it from where exaclty? :)

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And you know about it from where exactly?

Don't get me wrong, it's good to brainstorm but you present it as facts and they are just simply what you want it to be.

I think you're losing it a bit, get some rest.

Modifié par Jusseb, 23 octobre 2012 - 09:51 .


#38618
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It's better to take evidence and draw conclusions than to draw conclusions and force the evidence to fit.

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demersel wrote...

It is a simple question - What happens to Cronos station?

A simple answer - nothing.

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leonia42 wrote...

It's better to take evidence and draw conclusions than to draw conclusions and force the evidence to fit.


That's how the persuit of truth should be done. Otherwise, at some point, you'll end up not knowing whether you're still right or wrong.

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Hey guys, anything new?

*Sees Demersels posts*

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Cronos Station is a Derelict Fake Reaper. Posted Image

Modifié par paxxton, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:48 .


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CmdrShep80 wrote...
That vid I put up. What happens around 4:10 minutes? Is that still cronos station and the citadel in the same scene above Earth or is it just too late at night and I'm going blurry? If it is how did it get there? If its not what is that thing going into the citadel just as it is closing?i

I was looking at the exact same thing.  What is that sattelite thing?  Can anyone confirm?


Here is the link.  Check 4:10

Modifié par Davik Kang, 23 octobre 2012 - 11:51 .


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Look what I've found on YT. An extended version of The Fleets Arrive track.

Modifié par paxxton, 23 octobre 2012 - 12:04 .


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Maybe it's just a standard satellite hovering earth?